For too long, feminists have focused on unimportant issues like voting rights, equal pay, and the ability to hold credit cards without a male cosigner. This is the only demand that truly matters for gender equality. If women get pockets, then the rest will follow.
I was wondering why my GF (now wife) often gave me stuff like keys to carry when she didn't have her purse with me, since her pants seemed to have pockets. However, they were actually fake pockets. Just a nice looking design but they couldn't actually be opened
Exactly and as you can see from my example, she immediately lost her independence and needed me to carry things and later get them back. I had the pockets.
This is a big reason that young women feel like they have a lot of pressure to get married to a wealthier man that has the resources to have pockets, or if they can't find one, settle for one that has at least a decent hoodie. I feel like a lot of them wouldn't bother if they didn't have to rely on the pockets of men.
Women will also complain how stuffed pockets ruin the look of clothes with unsightly bumps and they usually have clothes that are tighter around the body compared to men's clothes. The compromise for the producer was making fake pockets and hope somebody will invent a pocket of holding.
My partner was doing this, sure the jeans don't have pockets but your coat has pockets. But you was just carrying her phone around in her hand all day, just asking for it to be snatched kind of gives me anxiety. All of this because she said she didn't like having things in her pockets, because it made her feel unbalanced.
She seems so unused to pockets that she can't interact with them when she does have the option.
If you own a sewing machine I suggest if any of those clothes have mini pockets ripping the seams and adding fabric to make a big pocket. Help her take back her power!
(I don't know how to properly link a Lemmy community so I hope that did it...)
Also TIL the difference between Opossum and Possum, the white ones who play dead are from North America, while the brown sugar-glider looking friends only live in Australia, New Zealand, and China. They're not the same at all, and in fact Possums are too friendly, don't play dead, and will literally walk up to people.
One of classmates always had deep pockets. One time I joked how deep and she pulled out an umbrella. I wished I asked the brand. I was too confused from what seemed like some sort of Vegas illusion.
I would wager that the companies that stand to gain or lose money has this data. Or you have the opportunity of a lifetime to start a company that would cater to a black hole of demand. I know what i'm betting on.
Those companies also make handbags, which are substantially more profitable than pants with pockets as long as those companies keep handbags in fashion
Is the hypothesis that companies have their customers' best interests in mind? /shrug I'm just going to base my worldview on the only data I could find rather than "I remember reading a comment." At least until I run across new data.
Planned obsolescence, subscription degradation, ad creep, landfills full of cheap crap... It's in their interests to sell the least useful thing for the highest price. If it costs more to put in pockets, they'll spend a surprising amount of money trying to convince people they don't want pockets. Or better yet, just buy up every competitor until there are only a few players and decide amongst yourselves not to make better stuff. I'm not saying that's what happened, necessarily, it's just not a foregone conclusion that pockets are scarce because demand is scarce.
Public perception can function like any other externality, meaning you can offload costs onto it. This is regularly done, but it'd be foolish to claim that's the case here without more information. As it would be foolish to assume the hand of the market is gently guiding us to a better world.
So you've got a very vocal market calling out their demand for a product that is more or less trivial to manufacture, and yet not a single entrepreneur has successfully brought the product to market. Why would that be?
There are retailers who have pockets in womenâs clothing by default but it does have some marginal cost. In a world of fast fashion, if they can get away with it, they will.
It takes significantly more time in shopping. Online, the normal look at 25 items to find one that matches my style preferences and is available in my size, then add clicking through all the product detail tabs to try to figure out if it has pockets, 80% of them don't, and of the ones that do it's mostly hope that they aren't poorly designed where everything falls out of them upon sitting down.
I appreciate that, with a multiple of the shopping time investment required by men or women who don't value pockets, and some fallout in unusable pockets, women's clothing with pockets is available. But I sure wish it was more available.
I became aware of this once in the office where a woman brought up the fact that guys were lucky to have functional pockets. Most pockets on womans clothing are either fake or are sewn shut and for looks.
I asked why? And she explained it ruins the "Pants Chi". I guess it gets in the way of showing off the figure somehow.
My SIL doesn't want pockets, but she is wealthy and into style. I think some of the women who don't want pockets are into style and/or looking wealthy enough to not need pockets.
Women who are pragmatic want pockets.
I've been ripping open pockets and sewing more fabric onto them making them big.
Yes the marauder in all its inceptions is a wonderful machine. I'm planning an all marauder lance for my current playthrough of BTA3062. Marauder II, Nightstar, Marauder IIC, and a MAD-5M (just for nostalgia). All with clan tech
So in the HBS Battletech, my ride of choice is a MAD-3R with 2x + LgLas, ++UAC2 and 2x ++MdLas. Double heatsinks all around and maxed out frontal armor. Combine that with Called Shot Mastery and you can CT one shot most opponents.
I definitely want pockets. Iâve had a lot of luck with dresses and baggy work pants. The baggy jeans style has also made pockets easier to find. I feel like having to outsource my storage to a bag I carry is a liability.
I think every statement I've ever heard from women about pockets is that women's clothes often don't have and require more pockets, but that might be survivorship bias where the ones who dont care are silent.
I personally have a great ass but I wouldn't choose to wear pants without pockets.
I will never understand women moaning about pockets. They had pockets. They had big huge massive pockets that were hidden away inside great big swinging wide legged pantaloons. But women didnt like them, cos they werent skin tight. So they fell out of fashion. You can still get them, but people dont. Cos they want things that cover them like a small condom on a magnum dong.
Christ, some jeans are even doing away with the buttons and the zipper, cos it takes away from the tightness. You all did this to yourselves. You chose looking "sexy" over comfort.
We gotta respect the struggle: my man is out here doing a sociological analysis of the history of women's fashion even though his brain is capable than no more than a Petri dish worth of depth. Was it a good analysis? No, but he tried and he had courage, never let your limitations shape your destiny.
Ah, the classic personal attack instead of attacking the argument. Social media is such a wonder. Just an endless gaggle of cave brained cunts that have never felt the velvety softness of the back hand when being a prick.
Yeah, not like they cant just not buy the pocketless skin tight shit... right? I mean, those trousers, with the big pockets are still there in the shops. But the bulk of sales is still going to camel toe showing jeans and leggings. So, yeah. THEY, fucking chose. No matter what the rabble of social media simps and pick me girls wants to say.
Except that men's pants don't fit at all. Women have curves and men are more... Straight? Plus the crotch area is weird and will rub weirdly if you use men's pants.
Yes, have you? And are you still pretending that the demand doesnt drive the supply???
As I already posted, https://www.next.us/en/shop/womens/clothing/trousers/f/style-wideleg?p=1#438 Big pockets in just about all of these. So, lets stop with the lie that woman cant have big pockets. Its a problem of your own making. Because women would rather "look sexy" than be comfortable or have pockets. Vanity drives the small/no pocket market. Nothing else.
And how many clothes with deep pockets have you seen? Because I have seen exactly fucking zero. Also, you sound like someone who never spoke to a woman, because anyone in their right mind will rather feel comfortable. Add to this another thing: go google women's clothes designers.
I gave you a link. And for some reason, you gave me a link back with all the shit that women flock to buy.
I dont really get what youre doing here, other being terrified of being wrong. Women buy jeans/trousers with small/no pockets because they want to "look sexy". The trousers are there. The jeans are there. But no one is buying, and the demand drives the market.
Do you get it now, or do I need to break out the special crayons?
You gave me a link, I gave you a link. You have a problem?
Lol, I get what you are doing here, though: proclaim that things are the way you state they are and that's it. Well, you can fuck right off here with this kind of thinking
86 Comments
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 61 pts · 311d
For too long, feminists have focused on unimportant issues like voting rights, equal pay, and the ability to hold credit cards without a male cosigner. This is the only demand that truly matters for gender equality. If women get pockets, then the rest will follow.
affenlehrer@feddit.org · 39 pts · 311d
I was wondering why my GF (now wife) often gave me stuff like keys to carry when she didn't have her purse with me, since her pants seemed to have pockets. However, they were actually fake pockets. Just a nice looking design but they couldn't actually be opened
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 27 pts · 311d
It's a real conspiracy, I'm telling you. They're giving women the little things so that they won't ask for pockets.
affenlehrer@feddit.org · 19 pts · 311d
Exactly and as you can see from my example, she immediately lost her independence and needed me to carry things and later get them back. I had the pockets.
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 17 pts · 311d
This is a big reason that young women feel like they have a lot of pressure to get married to a wealthier man that has the resources to have pockets, or if they can't find one, settle for one that has at least a decent hoodie. I feel like a lot of them wouldn't bother if they didn't have to rely on the pockets of men.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 9 pts · 311d
Women will also complain how stuffed pockets ruin the look of clothes with unsightly bumps and they usually have clothes that are tighter around the body compared to men's clothes. The compromise for the producer was making fake pockets and hope somebody will invent a pocket of holding.
echodot@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 311d
My partner was doing this, sure the jeans don't have pockets but your coat has pockets. But you was just carrying her phone around in her hand all day, just asking for it to be snatched kind of gives me anxiety. All of this because she said she didn't like having things in her pockets, because it made her feel unbalanced.
She seems so unused to pockets that she can't interact with them when she does have the option.
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 7 pts · 311d
Sometimes when one has been deprived of freedom for a long time, it may feel unnatural to use it.
LockheedTheDragon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 309d
If you own a sewing machine I suggest if any of those clothes have mini pockets ripping the seams and adding fabric to make a big pocket. Help her take back her power!
garbagebagel@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 311d
Pay raises
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 311d
Hell yes, I'm all for it. It's insanity that we don't have wage parity at this point
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 20 pts · 311d
Pachyderms?
Possums?
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 311d
definitely possums. Not a woman, but I fucking love possums
Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 310d
Am woman. Love the little guys so much.
opossums@lemmy.world is filled with them đ„č
(I don't know how to properly link a Lemmy community so I hope that did it...)
Also TIL the difference between Opossum and Possum, the white ones who play dead are from North America, while the brown sugar-glider looking friends only live in Australia, New Zealand, and China. They're not the same at all, and in fact Possums are too friendly, don't play dead, and will literally walk up to people.
nightlily@leminal.space · 2 pts · 310d
Australian possums are monsters in New Zealand who even the biggest tree hugger there doesnât shed too many tears over them being disposed of.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com · 19 pts · 311d
One of classmates always had deep pockets. One time I joked how deep and she pulled out an umbrella. I wished I asked the brand. I was too confused from what seemed like some sort of Vegas illusion.
chunes@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 311d
I remember reading a comment saying that women don't actually want pockets. The manufacturers and retailers have data on this.
What's happening is the women who do want them are in online bubbles that give them the impression that most women want pockets.
It's like how most gamers don't give a shit about DRM, so those of us who know better are stuck with it anyway.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 311d
There is often a difference between âconsumer wantsâ and âwe will not profit enough to botherâ
Hackworth@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 310d
The only data I could find suggests women do want pockets, particularly in pants.
chunes@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 310d
It suggests that young women from the UK want pockets, yes.
teslasaur@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 310d
I would wager that the companies that stand to gain or lose money has this data. Or you have the opportunity of a lifetime to start a company that would cater to a black hole of demand. I know what i'm betting on.
OlPatchy2Eyes@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 310d
Those companies also make handbags, which are substantially more profitable than pants with pockets as long as those companies keep handbags in fashion
Hackworth@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 310d
Is the hypothesis that companies have their customers' best interests in mind? /shrug I'm just going to base my worldview on the only data I could find rather than "I remember reading a comment." At least until I run across new data.
teslasaur@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 310d
Not at all. They have their own interests in mind. It isn't in their interest to make shit that wont sell đ€·
That data would be business critical for them so you can bet your fucking ass they have something like it.
Hackworth@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 310d
Planned obsolescence, subscription degradation, ad creep, landfills full of cheap crap... It's in their interests to sell the least useful thing for the highest price. If it costs more to put in pockets, they'll spend a surprising amount of money trying to convince people they don't want pockets. Or better yet, just buy up every competitor until there are only a few players and decide amongst yourselves not to make better stuff. I'm not saying that's what happened, necessarily, it's just not a foregone conclusion that pockets are scarce because demand is scarce.
teslasaur@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 310d
Tin foil engaged.
Hackworth@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 310d
Public perception can function like any other externality, meaning you can offload costs onto it. This is regularly done, but it'd be foolish to claim that's the case here without more information. As it would be foolish to assume the hand of the market is gently guiding us to a better world.
tym@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 311d
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 310d
So you've got a very vocal market calling out their demand for a product that is more or less trivial to manufacture, and yet not a single entrepreneur has successfully brought the product to market. Why would that be?
nightlily@leminal.space · 3 pts · 310d
There are retailers who have pockets in womenâs clothing by default but it does have some marginal cost. In a world of fast fashion, if they can get away with it, they will.
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 310d
A quick search confirms that women's clothing with pockets does in fact exist, so the niche is getting served.
Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 309d
It takes significantly more time in shopping. Online, the normal look at 25 items to find one that matches my style preferences and is available in my size, then add clicking through all the product detail tabs to try to figure out if it has pockets, 80% of them don't, and of the ones that do it's mostly hope that they aren't poorly designed where everything falls out of them upon sitting down.
I appreciate that, with a multiple of the shopping time investment required by men or women who don't value pockets, and some fallout in unusable pockets, women's clothing with pockets is available. But I sure wish it was more available.
renrenPDX@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 310d
I became aware of this once in the office where a woman brought up the fact that guys were lucky to have functional pockets. Most pockets on womans clothing are either fake or are sewn shut and for looks.
I asked why? And she explained it ruins the "Pants Chi". I guess it gets in the way of showing off the figure somehow.
LockheedTheDragon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 309d
My SIL doesn't want pockets, but she is wealthy and into style. I think some of the women who don't want pockets are into style and/or looking wealthy enough to not need pockets.
Women who are pragmatic want pockets.
I've been ripping open pockets and sewing more fabric onto them making them big.
edgemaster72@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 311d
Was expecting preciousss, but that works too. Could also do a hobbit version with Po-tay-toes.
fodor@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 310d
Polar bears? ... I seem to remember something about bears being preferred over men.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 310d
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 311d
Phosphorus?
General_Effort@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 310d
::: spoiler A woman who has everything she wants.
:::
molten@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 311d
Polyps?
morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com · 7 pts · 311d
Women's cargo pants at military surplus stores are a thing
I had a partner who wore these and I admired that she bucked the trend of tight clothing
LadyButterfly@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 310d
Plus women look hot in cargo pants
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 311d
Pussies?
Sybilvane@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 310d
Pizzas.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 310d
Particle Projection Cannons?
uid0gid0@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 310d
And an AWS-8Q to mount them on. Just watch your heat.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 310d
Ah the Awesome. It is indeed pretty awesome.
Though I'm a Marauder man personally.
uid0gid0@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 310d
Yes the marauder in all its inceptions is a wonderful machine. I'm planning an all marauder lance for my current playthrough of BTA3062. Marauder II, Nightstar, Marauder IIC, and a MAD-5M (just for nostalgia). All with clan tech
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 308d
So in the HBS Battletech, my ride of choice is a MAD-3R with 2x + LgLas, ++UAC2 and 2x ++MdLas. Double heatsinks all around and maxed out frontal armor. Combine that with Called Shot Mastery and you can CT one shot most opponents.
Beebabe@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 310d
I definitely want pockets. Iâve had a lot of luck with dresses and baggy work pants. The baggy jeans style has also made pockets easier to find. I feel like having to outsource my storage to a bag I carry is a liability.
PixeIOrange@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 311d
Pseks?
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 5 pts · 311d
Pockets full of Posies, but also Ponies and Paninis.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 310d
pad gra prao?
brown567@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 309d
Panzerfausts! =D
obinice@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 311d
Dead image, no issues with other images on Lemmy, but the image host "slrpnk.net" just doesn't seem to work.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 7 pts · 311d
It works for me
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 4 pts · 311d
I had an issue today with lemmy.zip and it turns out they have cloudfare and it was breaking images for the captchachahcahca.
loki@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 311d
This happens to me on images from feddit.org. maybe geoblocking? Their website feddit.org doesn't ever load for me.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 310d
Pocketknives.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 309d
There are at least 2 to 3 things that all girls want starting with p and ending with s.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 309d
Women often have pocketses. It's considered better form/preference to show off their ass better without using them.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 309d
I think every statement I've ever heard from women about pockets is that women's clothes often don't have and require more pockets, but that might be survivorship bias where the ones who dont care are silent.
I personally have a great ass but I wouldn't choose to wear pants without pockets.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 311d
I will never understand women moaning about pockets. They had pockets. They had big huge massive pockets that were hidden away inside great big swinging wide legged pantaloons. But women didnt like them, cos they werent skin tight. So they fell out of fashion. You can still get them, but people dont. Cos they want things that cover them like a small condom on a magnum dong.
Christ, some jeans are even doing away with the buttons and the zipper, cos it takes away from the tightness. You all did this to yourselves. You chose looking "sexy" over comfort.
kadu@scribe.disroot.org · 21 pts · 311d
We gotta respect the struggle: my man is out here doing a sociological analysis of the history of women's fashion even though his brain is capable than no more than a Petri dish worth of depth. Was it a good analysis? No, but he tried and he had courage, never let your limitations shape your destiny.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 311d
Ah, the classic personal attack instead of attacking the argument. Social media is such a wonder. Just an endless gaggle of cave brained cunts that have never felt the velvety softness of the back hand when being a prick.
kadu@scribe.disroot.org · 10 pts · 311d
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 311d
Dont you hate it when you try to sound like an intellectual, but you just end up coming across as someone so fucking dumb that they bite spoons?
kadu@scribe.disroot.org · 3 pts · 310d
That's where you're wrong, buddy, I don't use spoons
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 310d
Too difficult for you to figure out?
kadu@scribe.disroot.org · 3 pts · 310d
They're too rotund
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 311d
Lol. They chose, right. Uh, mean women
/sarcasm, of course
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 311d
Yeah, not like they cant just not buy the pocketless skin tight shit... right? I mean, those trousers, with the big pockets are still there in the shops. But the bulk of sales is still going to camel toe showing jeans and leggings. So, yeah. THEY, fucking chose. No matter what the rabble of social media simps and pick me girls wants to say.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 7 pts · 311d
You mean the pants in the mens section?
mr_satan@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 311d
Well if it fits⊠Why not? I haven't seen those pantaloons anywhere nearby
disgrunty@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 310d
I buy big baggy unisex stuff with gloriously roomy pockets. I've always hated skin tight clothing. Fuck fashion, I want comfort and utility.
Sybilvane@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 310d
Except that men's pants don't fit at all. Women have curves and men are more... Straight? Plus the crotch area is weird and will rub weirdly if you use men's pants.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 311d
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 310d
Lol. You ever saw women's part of clothes shops?
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 310d
Yes, have you? And are you still pretending that the demand doesnt drive the supply???
As I already posted, https://www.next.us/en/shop/womens/clothing/trousers/f/style-wideleg?p=1#438 Big pockets in just about all of these. So, lets stop with the lie that woman cant have big pockets. Its a problem of your own making. Because women would rather "look sexy" than be comfortable or have pockets. Vanity drives the small/no pocket market. Nothing else.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 310d
And how many clothes with deep pockets have you seen? Because I have seen exactly fucking zero. Also, you sound like someone who never spoke to a woman, because anyone in their right mind will rather feel comfortable. Add to this another thing: go google women's clothes designers.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 310d
I gave you a link. And for some reason, you gave me a link back with all the shit that women flock to buy.
I dont really get what youre doing here, other being terrified of being wrong. Women buy jeans/trousers with small/no pockets because they want to "look sexy". The trousers are there. The jeans are there. But no one is buying, and the demand drives the market.
Do you get it now, or do I need to break out the special crayons?
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 310d
You gave me a link, I gave you a link. You have a problem?
Lol, I get what you are doing here, though: proclaim that things are the way you state they are and that's it. Well, you can fuck right off here with this kind of thinking
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 310d
Go ahead, https://www.next.us/en/shop/womens/clothing/jeans?p=1#340.26666259765625
All pockets are normal, surely? What a joke