I mean I'm in the same boat as this guy that I've never heard of these YouTubers and I'm on YouTube a decent amount. And the reason we think that we would hear about them is the question is who do you think have the largest downfall and you would imagine if somebody was YouTube famous that they would be known by quite a few people on here. Just goes to show you the amount of people that are subscribed doesn't always reflect the actual number of people on YouTube. Pretty amazing
Lmao proving my point in both comments exactly. Paradox of tolerance full on display. Disagreement = name calling, slurs, bigotry. Never once an actual argument, just name calling always.
Basically got massively called out by Hbomberguy for plagiarism on every single video and I am pretty sure James just nuked the account and restarted his grift under an alt.
JonTron said all that Great Replacement Theory racist shit but collab'd with Internet Historian on his B channel some time after. Haven't followed him in a long time so I donno if his career suffered.
Onision is nuts in so many dark and strange ways that were completely predictable.
Among them all I'm so glad that Internet Comment Etiquette has always been my favorite. Eric is a good boy.
there´s plenty of leads that make people think internet historian is not clean either. putting "1488" and "88" dogwhistles in his videos aswell as crudely drawn swastikas or stars of david in inconvenient places. he follows questionable far-right people on twitter and in the "bikelock fugitive" video he just goes with the 4chan story.
Fair enough. I don't seek out YouTube drama so I don't know anything not sent my way, but the JonTron thing left a bad enough taste I stopped following him.
I had no idea about the other shit, but it kinda makes sense given the tone of his videos regarding SJWs, women, tumblr, etc.
I knew there was something fishy about that guy when I first saw him popping up in my shorts (that's what she said), but I didn't know it was as bad as it was.
Well he turned out to be a lazy, lying, emotionally abusive, manipulative furry that uses his love interests for money, if that tells you something. Plenty of YouTube documentaries of comfortable length on the subject if you're interested. It was quite enlightening. Absolutely disgusting human being, IMO. Instantly unsubscribed (again) when I saw these documentaries.
I had previously unsubbed from him because all his shorts of him acting like this overconfident life guru while live streaming got pretty old pretty quick. It became fake. Then I gave him another chance. I shouldn't have done so.
Onision had a pretty spectacular implosion, but he was always a pretty wild and controversial figure. Shane Dawson was another pretty massive one. Miranda Sings was also huge, then all the weird and creepy chats and stage moments came out, sank her whole brand.
Arguably worse. Tl;dw he chooses to live like he'll die at any moment, i.e. spends all his money on dumb things, but then complains about not having money and his audience not giving him enough. He also abused his wife until she left him, then started dating a 20 year old (hes in his mid 50s as a reminder). Oh he also completely reversed course on his nice moderate guy persona.
I used to watch him because he made wholesome videos. Then the mask started slipping around the time he bought a Tesla. The documentary about him is pretty rough.
Iilluminaughtii is a strong contender. Karl Jobst didn't really do anything though, he lost a lawsuit and then kept streaming. Was there something else I didn't know about?
I only counted Jobst for how quickly everyone turned on him after the lawsuit loss, so it's purely for being a rapid downfall, Iiiluminaughtii is way worse.
It was because he framed the lawsuit leading up to it as if it was over Dumbass's (I forgot his name) fraudulent records and not over defammatory statements about Dumbass's response to some other gamer offing themselves or some such similar tangential issue.
I've forgotten all the details because I don't care and I'm also drunk, but hopefully someone can clarify without making shit up. Though the core of it was that he was being sued over far more legitimate grounds than Dumbass's provably false records. Hence why Karl lost.
I mean I didn't think it was really legitimate grounds. This is just from memory, but I think the issue was that he called out Billy Mitchell for cheating being the foundation of basically his whole career, and then Billy sued him for some minor tangential bullshit mostly just totally unrelated to that. I think you are correct, Jobst accused Billy of laughing and being cheerful about some other streamer killing himself (which he definitely did) but also made some kind of minor factual error while talking about it, and Billy convinced a judge that that was worth multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of damages. That was my understanding of it.
Edit: Mostly I think it's weird to include him in this list because even by the most anti-Jobst reading all he did was slander Billy Mitchell. That seems kind of out of place on a list which currently includes people guilty of pedophilia (Miranda), mass plagiarism (Illuminaughti), and some sort of unholy systematic turbo-pedophilia which is hard to even summarize (Onision).
Also, I'm a little disturbed that I know the details of all of this weird pop-culture drama bullshit. Maybe the real streamer slop was inside us all the time.
Did they? I didn't. IDK, I just looked at view counts on his recent videos and they've definitely gone down pretty substantially (which sure isn't ideal) but it's not a full cratering and then a year of silence like Illuminaughti.
The Completionist. Socials went private and any videos finished but unreleased had the artwork changed so it wasn't obviously from the channel.
Some others that came to mind is ProJared with the sexts, but he eventually defended his side and continues to post new videos, and the controversy from the Nostalgia Critic group during the ChangeTheChannel campaign
Oof, watching The Completionist's fall was an emotional rollercoaster. I liked the guy well enough and he seemed to be doing well right up until that unfortunate G4TV reboot.
Attached to the new G4TV was one Frosk, an e-sports commentator who was opinionated as all hell and boy, she would NOT let you forget it. Long story short, apropos of nothing, she had a spectacular meltdown on the channel and she did so by blaming fans for all kinds of things. The Completionist, along with all other members of the channel took a hit in subscribers on G$ and their respective channels simply through the virtue of being affiliated with Frosk. Not really their fault.
But THEN in 2023 it came to light that he was lying about donations to charity and really, that's when I stopped following him completely. Kind of hard to defend that.
Not a vlogger, but CarlH was a respected reddit user who had a long and successful series of C programming lessons on youtube. I remember going through some of his videos back in the day.
He was arrested for abusing and exploiting his own son for child pornography, and later commited suicide in jail. I guess you can't fall much harder.
It's pretty niche, but Mike Israetel of Renaissance Periodization is one of the biggest fitness youtubers who for years has thrown his phd around to become an authority on sports science. A critical review of his joke of a phd thesis was recently published and now it's pure chaos in this sphere
Really? Fuck. Well, guess that leaves Jeff Nippard and LeanBeefPatty as still solid, hopefully. Been away from the lifting world but that sucks about Mike.
Jeff and a few other influencers came out immediately attacking the reviewer, it's been wild seeing them circle the wagons. Mike claimed it was an old draft of the thesis, and produced an updated (doctored) version, which turned out to be fake and he then admitted that Solomon had in fact reviewed the final version. Assuming the university had threatened Mike. Solomon then released a video about his dealings with Jeff Nippard which also casts Jeff in a bad light. Generally disappointing all around
For some reason, I always thought his main contribution from his PhD was the volume thresholds for maintenance and adaptation.
In any case, are we judging his value as a researcher or as a YouTuber? If it's the former, I'd rather look at his publishing history rather than a thesis. Soloman mentioned that the school he graduated from wasn't a particularly high ranking school, and that's evidenced by how they were able to let this pass. Knowing how your school works, why would you put any effort at all into what is essentially just a formality for graduation? Where I went for grad school, the examiners will read your work properly, but most people still only put in the minimal effort for it. Our efforts mostly go into papers that actually get read. Your thesis is never expected to see the light of day again after graduation.
If we're judging him for his value as a YouTuber, then we should be judging his YouTube content. As far as that goes, he's pretty much just preaching the same thing as every other fitness YouTuber. It's just packaged differently. The one thing he does that stands out from others is explaining how science and the scientific method works when putting exercise science papers into context. I can understand his credentials being relevant here if you're a non-expert, but as a scientist myself, I can vouch for the soundness of his explanations.
Jeff's response was definitely disappointing though. Insulting Soloman does not align with the wholesome character of him that was painted in my head.
Wow, every written place looks very sanitized IMO. Most youtubers I've seen that worked with him will put on a very awkward face and not talk about him if hes mentioned in like a stream donation or somethinf
Probably pewdiepie. He was very popular before the incident, after which noone wanted to touch him. His Scare Pewdiepie show also got canceled. He has regained popularity again though.
In September 2017, while PewDiePie was live-streaming gameplay of PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds to his YouTube channel, he used the racial N-word towards another player in the game.
As a fellow swede, I can understand why this was particularly rough for him, as he most likely used it just like many of us used English curse words and slurs very casually when we were young. They weren't words we understood, or knew the history of, and parents/teachers didn't really stop us or teach us when we heard them. We knew they were said in media, on TV and in movies, so we picked it up without much regard for meaning.
So for him to slip out an N-word is unfortunate, but definitely doesn't make me think he's racist or anything. Just like my friends and I who grew up using bad words like this, but we all grew up to be progressive and accepting of everyone. It doesn't have to reflect anything within PDP himself, even though it's highly offensive to the audience hearing it.
I mean you could see him recognize that he fucked up in real time. He definitely knew better. It was the ensuing "heated gamer moment" excuse which really made it a meme. He should have just immediately and unambiguously acknowledged that he fucked up and taken real action to show remorse. This is a pretty common pattern with this kind of thing. You can't do the whole "soft apology with a side of justification" and expect things to go back to normal. And this is just a life lesson in general - when you fuck up, you need to really lean into making a change.
you could see him recognize that he fucked up in real time.
He knew it was a bad word though. That's to his credit given the circumstances, IMO.
He should have just immediately and unambiguously acknowledged that he fucked up and taken real action to show remorse. This is a pretty common pattern with this kind of thing.
Maybe it's a common pattern because people go into shock after they realize they fucked up? Not everyone is calm, cool, and collected when they realize they made a mistake.
I lived with an embarrassment for two decades before I apologized to a mate of mine. And that wasn't even my fault. I was set up into embarrassing myself (by proxy of embarrassing my mate). Either way, being embarrassed can definitely put you in a sort of deer in headlights mode and continue like nothing happened while you try to assess.
I agree, when I was younger we would use worse words and, although I understand better now how they will be received, I could swear there was never any value associated with them back then. They were just descriptive words in the same way one would call a spade a spade - whether the spade is good or bad depends on the spade.
Right. It's just kids being kids. Imitating adults.
And I'm betting him playing games would jolt him back to his child brain in some way, too. Making it even more likely to have something like that slip out, when I'm normal conversation you would obviously never hear him (or us) say something like that (I'd have to assume).
I sometimes let out some sexual organ slurs, which are pretty bad in my language, when I'm playing games, but it's just because playing games is something I've done since childhood, and it can bring those words out, from those times. It's more controlled now, since I'm well into adulthood now and I only let out those words to friends who can tolerate them. Not to my family.
So yeah. I know why something like this can happen. It shouldn't be career-ending from his perspective (and to some degree it wasn't), but from the audience's perspective, it was a whole different thing.
i generally agree, as a european i also said dumb shit because i lack the cultural knowledge WHY certain words are problematic. but pewdiepie was always kind of close to some weird folk. we all probably forgot about the meme review with ben shapiro and elon musk - that was before the "bridge incident" - there was also the t-series stuff which started out as a funny thing in good faith but it normalized racism.
his song "removed lasagna" starts with "bobs or vegana, whatever will it be?" and includes lines like "hold your defecation"
Exactly. Exactly my sentiment. It was really inappropriate, but was not produced from malintent or anything like that, just an expletive, any expletive, and that happened to come out because it was the most edgy bad word that just popped up. Super bad, but, you know. 🤦♂️
I have seen this cycle three times already. PewdiePie basically loses popularity for a few years when his audience ages out, and then he does some reboot or marketing push or something and a new generation or children start watching again.
Not really "a" youtuber, but i thoroughly enjoyed watching roosterteeth crash and burn. I loved their goofy shit maybe 10 or 15 years ago, but goddamn the fame really went to their heads fast. Ray and Mikey and Jack were all mostly cool, but Geoff had this really toxic "failed jock" vibe that really put down everyone else for very little reason. Then you had straight up toxic narcissists join up over the years, then Ryan shitting the bed by trying to hook up with (possibly underage) fans. It all came crashing down hard. It started out as a fun group of gamers and quickly turned into this weird hazing/bullying/im more famous than you circlejerk.
Probably not the "biggest", but remember Gus Johnson? Looked like a promising up-and-comer in the Internet comedy space, and then he got cancelled and effectively disappeared over night.
Haven't heard that name in a long time. I do remember he was popping off quickly and then vanished. Think he still makes stuff though. His Podcast parter Eddy Burback ditched him and has since gotten more popular.
He's still around making shorts, I'm not sure it's really about him getting "cancelled" (which tbh was pretty light, he was pretty much "just" very inconsiderate towards his girlfriend)
Toby Turner was pretty big in my eyes, but then there was some controversy of abuse or minors or something, I can't remember. But he made me laugh so hard like not many YouTubers could, dude. His gameplay of that game with the dad on his bike with his kid in the back of the bike, my god. Those were the days.
Laci green used to be a women's health feminist youtuber. Made a video titled "i took the red pill" and immediately lost 90% of her views followed by the channel dying within 10 videos.
There was a van life de-influencer called Dave2D (not the computer one) who lived in a van and demonstrated the harsh realities of living full time in a van, while also mocking and exposing van life influencers who made it look glamorous, and called out those who were obviously just living in a house and pretending to be living in vans for the insta. He regularly made fun of those vanlife couples, especially when they inevitably broke up, until a very famous recently single vanfluencer killed herself after enduring lots of harrassment by his followers, and then Dave2Ddeleted almost all his videos.
Then he moved into a car with a puppy in LA and someone stole his catalytic converter while he was sleeping in the car, then he moved to a tiny cabin in Montana and transitioned to painting on Livestream, and now as far as I know he has no presence on YouTube.
Not really a YouTuber but I've always been curious what happened about a decade ago with Chris Ziegler from The Verge, who was an editor but then accepted a job at Apple on the side, and was then fired by both companies. He then disappeared entirely from the record and everyone got real quiet about it.
On June 25, 2020, Marbles uploaded an apology video to her YouTube channel following accusations of blackface and racism.[1][18] In the video, she addressed content in YouTube videos that she originally published in 2011 and 2012. This included an impersonation of Nicki Minaj, using offensive language and costuming towards Asians, and using derogatory language towards sexually promiscuous women
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JackDark@lemmy.world · 84 pts · 293d
I don't know a single one of the YouTubers being mentioned here.
warbond@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 292d
It's so crazy that 10 million subscribers is huge by YouTube standards but practically meaningless in the larger context.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 292d
Oh thank goodness. Thought it was just me.
Youtube is pretty horrid now so I tend to stay away. Seems like its mostly made for ipad babies and boomers now.
darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 293d
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 292d
I mean I'm in the same boat as this guy that I've never heard of these YouTubers and I'm on YouTube a decent amount. And the reason we think that we would hear about them is the question is who do you think have the largest downfall and you would imagine if somebody was YouTube famous that they would be known by quite a few people on here. Just goes to show you the amount of people that are subscribed doesn't always reflect the actual number of people on YouTube. Pretty amazing
darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 292d
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works · 46 pts · 293d
Charlie Kirk?
socsa@piefed.social · 24 pts · 292d
He only fell a couple of feet.
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 292d
+/-6'
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 292d
He shifted left at the end
BreadOven@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 292d
I didn't make it, and also do not use AI, but this is one I had to save.
BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 293d
🥁🥁💫
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 292d
🩸🩸🩸🤯---------🔫
Ultraword@lemmy.ml · -16 pts · 292d
Tolerance and respect for only those who agree with me
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 292d
Get outta here fascist boot licker
Ultraword@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 291d
Lmao proving my point in both comments exactly. Paradox of tolerance full on display. Disagreement = name calling, slurs, bigotry. Never once an actual argument, just name calling always.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 291d
Lil bro doesnt even understand what the paradox of tolerance is 🥲
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 291d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 292d
Who?
TheMinions@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 45 pts · 293d
James Somerton.
Basically got massively called out by Hbomberguy for plagiarism on every single video and I am pretty sure James just nuked the account and restarted his grift under an alt.
kn33@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 293d
He did a lot in the aftermath. It's worth reading basically the whole "rebranding and fake death" section:
https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/James_of_Telos
Icytrees@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 293d
Illuminaughtii was pretty wild.
JonTron said all that Great Replacement Theory racist shit but collab'd with Internet Historian on his B channel some time after. Haven't followed him in a long time so I donno if his career suffered.
Onision is nuts in so many dark and strange ways that were completely predictable.
Among them all I'm so glad that Internet Comment Etiquette has always been my favorite. Eric is a good boy.
Edit: Erik with a K is a good boy.
SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 292d
there´s plenty of leads that make people think internet historian is not clean either. putting "1488" and "88" dogwhistles in his videos aswell as crudely drawn swastikas or stars of david in inconvenient places. he follows questionable far-right people on twitter and in the "bikelock fugitive" video he just goes with the 4chan story.
comfy@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 292d
And not to mention they were one of the other receivers of Hbomberguy's famous plagarism video.
SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 292d
that's just a judgement on his content and doesn't give insight on his probably far right political stance
Icytrees@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 292d
Fair enough. I don't seek out YouTube drama so I don't know anything not sent my way, but the JonTron thing left a bad enough taste I stopped following him.
I had no idea about the other shit, but it kinda makes sense given the tone of his videos regarding SJWs, women, tumblr, etc.
SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 292d
good approach :) more peace of mind.
dwemthy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 292d
Who the hell is Eric? Did Erik get replaced for what he did to Narfy?
MintyAnt@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 291d
King of the Internet king of the pipe
Ultraword@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 292d
Dhs92@piefed.social · 28 pts · 293d
Pirate software
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 17 pts · 293d
What was he supposed to do? He was out of mana!
victorz@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 293d
I knew there was something fishy about that guy when I first saw him popping up in my shorts (that's what she said), but I didn't know it was as bad as it was.
nfreak@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 291d
Wait did something actually happen? I just remember people finally realizing he's generally just a shitty person.
victorz@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 291d
Well he turned out to be a lazy, lying, emotionally abusive, manipulative furry that uses his love interests for money, if that tells you something. Plenty of YouTube documentaries of comfortable length on the subject if you're interested. It was quite enlightening. Absolutely disgusting human being, IMO. Instantly unsubscribed (again) when I saw these documentaries.
I had previously unsubbed from him because all his shorts of him acting like this overconfident life guru while live streaming got pretty old pretty quick. It became fake. Then I gave him another chance. I shouldn't have done so.
nfreak@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 291d
Jesus Christ. Somehow not even surprising.
victorz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 291d
You know what I mean? I feel like I can't have any idols anymore these days. Not that he was, but still.
I guess there's some weight to the whole "thou shalt not worship false idols". It's pretty good advice.
Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 293d
Onision had a pretty spectacular implosion, but he was always a pretty wild and controversial figure. Shane Dawson was another pretty massive one. Miranda Sings was also huge, then all the weird and creepy chats and stage moments came out, sank her whole brand.
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 14 pts · 293d
takes out the ukalele Now friends, let's sing a little song...
Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 292d
I love how she starts off by saying her legal team recommended she not do that...then proceeds to do it anyways lol.
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 5 pts · 291d
"My doctor said shooting my foot off would be a bad idea, but chat... cocks shotgun we're going to find out."
ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de · 20 pts · 292d
Boogie2988
Reference4054@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 292d
I was never a fan, but I did a search in him about a year lord and good lord he's a mess.
dwemthy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 292d
Without looking it up: did he become his stereotype shitty gamer character?
superniceperson@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 292d
Arguably worse. Tl;dw he chooses to live like he'll die at any moment, i.e. spends all his money on dumb things, but then complains about not having money and his audience not giving him enough. He also abused his wife until she left him, then started dating a 20 year old (hes in his mid 50s as a reminder). Oh he also completely reversed course on his nice moderate guy persona.
UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 291d
I used to watch him because he made wholesome videos. Then the mask started slipping around the time he bought a Tesla. The documentary about him is pretty rough.
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 291d
Is that the fat video game nerd?
ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 291d
Yes but his weight and health has improved a lot
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org · 20 pts · 293d
Recently? Either Iilluminaughtii or Karl Jobst.
PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social · 15 pts · 293d
Iilluminaughtii is a strong contender. Karl Jobst didn't really do anything though, he lost a lawsuit and then kept streaming. Was there something else I didn't know about?
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org · 5 pts · 293d
I only counted Jobst for how quickly everyone turned on him after the lawsuit loss, so it's purely for being a rapid downfall, Iiiluminaughtii is way worse.
PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social · 4 pts · 293d
Who turned on him? Maybe I am not extensively up on streamer drama.
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 10 pts · 293d
It was because he framed the lawsuit leading up to it as if it was over Dumbass's (I forgot his name) fraudulent records and not over defammatory statements about Dumbass's response to some other gamer offing themselves or some such similar tangential issue.
I've forgotten all the details because I don't care and I'm also drunk, but hopefully someone can clarify without making shit up. Though the core of it was that he was being sued over far more legitimate grounds than Dumbass's provably false records. Hence why Karl lost.
PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social · 7 pts · 293d
I mean I didn't think it was really legitimate grounds. This is just from memory, but I think the issue was that he called out Billy Mitchell for cheating being the foundation of basically his whole career, and then Billy sued him for some minor tangential bullshit mostly just totally unrelated to that. I think you are correct, Jobst accused Billy of laughing and being cheerful about some other streamer killing himself (which he definitely did) but also made some kind of minor factual error while talking about it, and Billy convinced a judge that that was worth multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of damages. That was my understanding of it.
Edit: Mostly I think it's weird to include him in this list because even by the most anti-Jobst reading all he did was slander Billy Mitchell. That seems kind of out of place on a list which currently includes people guilty of pedophilia (Miranda), mass plagiarism (Illuminaughti), and some sort of unholy systematic turbo-pedophilia which is hard to even summarize (Onision).
Also, I'm a little disturbed that I know the details of all of this weird pop-culture drama bullshit. Maybe the real streamer slop was inside us all the time.
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 5 pts · 293d
Oh I agree it's all BS and the literal fraud that is Billy should be in jail over being a LITERAL FRAUD, but such is life.
PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social · 5 pts · 293d
Yeah. Life is a fuck
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org · 4 pts · 293d
His audience mostly.
PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social · 5 pts · 293d
Did they? I didn't. IDK, I just looked at view counts on his recent videos and they've definitely gone down pretty substantially (which sure isn't ideal) but it's not a full cratering and then a year of silence like Illuminaughti.
lady_mongrel@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 293d
The Completionist. Socials went private and any videos finished but unreleased had the artwork changed so it wasn't obviously from the channel.
Some others that came to mind is ProJared with the sexts, but he eventually defended his side and continues to post new videos, and the controversy from the Nostalgia Critic group during the ChangeTheChannel campaign
onlooker@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 292d
Oof, watching The Completionist's fall was an emotional rollercoaster. I liked the guy well enough and he seemed to be doing well right up until that unfortunate G4TV reboot.
Attached to the new G4TV was one Frosk, an e-sports commentator who was opinionated as all hell and boy, she would NOT let you forget it. Long story short, apropos of nothing, she had a spectacular meltdown on the channel and she did so by blaming fans for all kinds of things. The Completionist, along with all other members of the channel took a hit in subscribers on G$ and their respective channels simply through the virtue of being affiliated with Frosk. Not really their fault.
But THEN in 2023 it came to light that he was lying about donations to charity and really, that's when I stopped following him completely. Kind of hard to defend that.
overload@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 292d
For sure. Boogie2988 has had a pretty spectacular fall as well.
Bonifratz@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 293d
Not a vlogger, but CarlH was a respected reddit user who had a long and successful series of C programming lessons on youtube. I remember going through some of his videos back in the day.
He was arrested for abusing and exploiting his own son for child pornography, and later commited suicide in jail. I guess you can't fall much harder.
One of the many reddit posts about the story: https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/upkjb7/carl_h_once_made_a_following_for_himself_online/
shittydwarf@piefed.social · 18 pts · 293d
It's pretty niche, but Mike Israetel of Renaissance Periodization is one of the biggest fitness youtubers who for years has thrown his phd around to become an authority on sports science. A critical review of his joke of a phd thesis was recently published and now it's pure chaos in this sphere
Moonguide@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 292d
Really? Fuck. Well, guess that leaves Jeff Nippard and LeanBeefPatty as still solid, hopefully. Been away from the lifting world but that sucks about Mike.
shittydwarf@piefed.social · 8 pts · 292d
Jeff and a few other influencers came out immediately attacking the reviewer, it's been wild seeing them circle the wagons. Mike claimed it was an old draft of the thesis, and produced an updated (doctored) version, which turned out to be fake and he then admitted that Solomon had in fact reviewed the final version. Assuming the university had threatened Mike. Solomon then released a video about his dealings with Jeff Nippard which also casts Jeff in a bad light. Generally disappointing all around
howrar@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 292d
For some reason, I always thought his main contribution from his PhD was the volume thresholds for maintenance and adaptation.
In any case, are we judging his value as a researcher or as a YouTuber? If it's the former, I'd rather look at his publishing history rather than a thesis. Soloman mentioned that the school he graduated from wasn't a particularly high ranking school, and that's evidenced by how they were able to let this pass. Knowing how your school works, why would you put any effort at all into what is essentially just a formality for graduation? Where I went for grad school, the examiners will read your work properly, but most people still only put in the minimal effort for it. Our efforts mostly go into papers that actually get read. Your thesis is never expected to see the light of day again after graduation.
If we're judging him for his value as a YouTuber, then we should be judging his YouTube content. As far as that goes, he's pretty much just preaching the same thing as every other fitness YouTuber. It's just packaged differently. The one thing he does that stands out from others is explaining how science and the scientific method works when putting exercise science papers into context. I can understand his credentials being relevant here if you're a non-expert, but as a scientist myself, I can vouch for the soundness of his explanations.
Jeff's response was definitely disappointing though. Insulting Soloman does not align with the wholesome character of him that was painted in my head.
Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 293d
SkyDoesMinecraft was pretty bad, and it just kept. Getting. Worse.
victorz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 292d
What happened? "Their" Wikipedia page doesn't say anything past "abuse" and them having bulimia.
Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 292d
Wow, every written place looks very sanitized IMO. Most youtubers I've seen that worked with him will put on a very awkward face and not talk about him if hes mentioned in like a stream donation or somethinf
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7oQfGSBVHu0
Seems like a good place to start
darvit@lemmy.darvit.nl · 14 pts · 293d
Probably pewdiepie. He was very popular before the incident, after which noone wanted to touch him. His Scare Pewdiepie show also got canceled. He has regained popularity again though.
Goun@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 293d
What incident? People started sharing his videos because he's cool now, I guess, I can't even listen to his voice
kn33@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 293d
https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/PewDiePie?so=search
victorz@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 293d
As a fellow swede, I can understand why this was particularly rough for him, as he most likely used it just like many of us used English curse words and slurs very casually when we were young. They weren't words we understood, or knew the history of, and parents/teachers didn't really stop us or teach us when we heard them. We knew they were said in media, on TV and in movies, so we picked it up without much regard for meaning.
So for him to slip out an N-word is unfortunate, but definitely doesn't make me think he's racist or anything. Just like my friends and I who grew up using bad words like this, but we all grew up to be progressive and accepting of everyone. It doesn't have to reflect anything within PDP himself, even though it's highly offensive to the audience hearing it.
Just very unfortunate for everyone involved.
socsa@piefed.social · 6 pts · 292d
I mean you could see him recognize that he fucked up in real time. He definitely knew better. It was the ensuing "heated gamer moment" excuse which really made it a meme. He should have just immediately and unambiguously acknowledged that he fucked up and taken real action to show remorse. This is a pretty common pattern with this kind of thing. You can't do the whole "soft apology with a side of justification" and expect things to go back to normal. And this is just a life lesson in general - when you fuck up, you need to really lean into making a change.
victorz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 292d
He knew it was a bad word though. That's to his credit given the circumstances, IMO.
Maybe it's a common pattern because people go into shock after they realize they fucked up? Not everyone is calm, cool, and collected when they realize they made a mistake.
I lived with an embarrassment for two decades before I apologized to a mate of mine. And that wasn't even my fault. I was set up into embarrassing myself (by proxy of embarrassing my mate). Either way, being embarrassed can definitely put you in a sort of deer in headlights mode and continue like nothing happened while you try to assess.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 292d
I agree, when I was younger we would use worse words and, although I understand better now how they will be received, I could swear there was never any value associated with them back then. They were just descriptive words in the same way one would call a spade a spade - whether the spade is good or bad depends on the spade.
victorz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
Right. It's just kids being kids. Imitating adults.
And I'm betting him playing games would jolt him back to his child brain in some way, too. Making it even more likely to have something like that slip out, when I'm normal conversation you would obviously never hear him (or us) say something like that (I'd have to assume).
I sometimes let out some sexual organ slurs, which are pretty bad in my language, when I'm playing games, but it's just because playing games is something I've done since childhood, and it can bring those words out, from those times. It's more controlled now, since I'm well into adulthood now and I only let out those words to friends who can tolerate them. Not to my family.
So yeah. I know why something like this can happen. It shouldn't be career-ending from his perspective (and to some degree it wasn't), but from the audience's perspective, it was a whole different thing.
SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 292d
i generally agree, as a european i also said dumb shit because i lack the cultural knowledge WHY certain words are problematic. but pewdiepie was always kind of close to some weird folk. we all probably forgot about the meme review with ben shapiro and elon musk - that was before the "bridge incident" - there was also the t-series stuff which started out as a funny thing in good faith but it normalized racism. his song "removed lasagna" starts with "bobs or vegana, whatever will it be?" and includes lines like "hold your defecation"
overload@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 292d
He's also a product of toxic gamer culture, the N word is almost like teenagers calling things gay.. doesn't mean they hate homosexuals.
This is not to advocate for what he said at all.
victorz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 292d
Exactly. Exactly my sentiment. It was really inappropriate, but was not produced from malintent or anything like that, just an expletive, any expletive, and that happened to come out because it was the most edgy bad word that just popped up. Super bad, but, you know. 🤦♂️
UnRelatedBurner@sh.itjust.works · -10 pts · 293d
I tought he was cool for that
socsa@piefed.social · 5 pts · 292d
I have seen this cycle three times already. PewdiePie basically loses popularity for a few years when his audience ages out, and then he does some reboot or marketing push or something and a new generation or children start watching again.
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 293d
Now he's a complete self hosted and Linux nerd, and it's awsome!
devolution@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 292d
Ummm Pewds is doing just fine.
KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 292d
Not really "a" youtuber, but i thoroughly enjoyed watching roosterteeth crash and burn. I loved their goofy shit maybe 10 or 15 years ago, but goddamn the fame really went to their heads fast. Ray and Mikey and Jack were all mostly cool, but Geoff had this really toxic "failed jock" vibe that really put down everyone else for very little reason. Then you had straight up toxic narcissists join up over the years, then Ryan shitting the bed by trying to hook up with (possibly underage) fans. It all came crashing down hard. It started out as a fun group of gamers and quickly turned into this weird hazing/bullying/im more famous than you circlejerk.
teawrecks@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 292d
Probably not the "biggest", but remember Gus Johnson? Looked like a promising up-and-comer in the Internet comedy space, and then he got cancelled and effectively disappeared over night.
Ultraword@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 292d
Haven't heard that name in a long time. I do remember he was popping off quickly and then vanished. Think he still makes stuff though. His Podcast parter Eddy Burback ditched him and has since gotten more popular.
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 292d
He's still around making shorts, I'm not sure it's really about him getting "cancelled" (which tbh was pretty light, he was pretty much "just" very inconsiderate towards his girlfriend)
devolution@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 292d
It's a tie between EDP445 and Onision.
Honorable mention goes to Illuminaughtii.
Vupware@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 292d
Can’t mention illuminaughty or whatever without mentioning James Somerton.
My more bespoke pick would be Tobuscus
victorz@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 292d
Toby Turner was pretty big in my eyes, but then there was some controversy of abuse or minors or something, I can't remember. But he made me laugh so hard like not many YouTubers could, dude. His gameplay of that game with the dad on his bike with his kid in the back of the bike, my god. Those were the days.
saigot@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 292d
Laci green used to be a women's health feminist youtuber. Made a video titled "i took the red pill" and immediately lost 90% of her views followed by the channel dying within 10 videos.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 292d
I don't really keep up, but is that Dr. Disrespect guy still considered a pedo pariah?
Blaiz0r@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 292d
He's back streaming in YouTube, but I guess he's not as popular anymore.
ZoDoneRightNow@kbin.earth · 8 pts · 292d
Illuminaughti and Iskall85
ZoDoneRightNow@kbin.earth · 5 pts · 292d
Also Dream
Jentu@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 291d
Iskall85 was getting insufferable long before the allegations tbh. He handled valid critique in the most arrogant way possible.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 292d
i mean colleen ballinger/miranda sings
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 291d
Braille Skateboarding used to be so cool. They even made it to the news in Australia with the first glass skateboard video.
Last I heard was the park was destroyed WITHOUT telling the rest of crew it was happening, so they all missed out on a final session.
AquaTofana@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 293d
Oof, for me in my world, there have been so many unfortunately.
John Kuckian, Jaclyn Hill, Jeffree Star, and more recently Raw Beauty Kristi though she's been in decline for a while.
Makeup Youtubers are something fucking else.
Ilixtze@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 293d
what ever happened to chills?
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 293d
He died iirc
Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 291d
Chucke2008
I think was the channel name. He showed welding and fabrication, one day he was reading something weird on video Idk and got canceled.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 291d
There was a van life de-influencer called Dave2D (not the computer one) who lived in a van and demonstrated the harsh realities of living full time in a van, while also mocking and exposing van life influencers who made it look glamorous, and called out those who were obviously just living in a house and pretending to be living in vans for the insta. He regularly made fun of those vanlife couples, especially when they inevitably broke up, until a very famous recently single vanfluencer killed herself after enduring lots of harrassment by his followers, and then Dave2Ddeleted almost all his videos.
Then he moved into a car with a puppy in LA and someone stole his catalytic converter while he was sleeping in the car, then he moved to a tiny cabin in Montana and transitioned to painting on Livestream, and now as far as I know he has no presence on YouTube.
dantheclamman@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 292d
Not really a YouTuber but I've always been curious what happened about a decade ago with Chris Ziegler from The Verge, who was an editor but then accepted a job at Apple on the side, and was then fired by both companies. He then disappeared entirely from the record and everyone got real quiet about it.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 293d
Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 293d
Probably Albert Dyrlund
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -4 pts · 292d
Jenna marbles was cool and then some asshole canceled her and now she's gone how about that fuck you all
manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 292d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Marbles
huh
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 291d
So... She called (an imaginary?) slut "slut" and had to apologize for it?