Suspected Nazis should be given community service to work in soup kitchens, clean graffiti and pickup trash and such in majority black and brown neighborhoods.
The thing is that you better ensure they don't work or meet up with other nazis in that meantime, otherwise they might reinforce their stupid aryan bubble
I mean, yes and no. I live where gang tags and random acts of vandalism are rather a frequent occurrence so when I say graffiti removal, I'm thinking that. Things like that only work to harm our neighborhood, defacing our storefronts and public transit and making people feel less safe in their community.
But yes, some forms of graffiti are expression and art. Nazis would take pleasure in removing that we aren't for that, of course.
Really hate to be the shithead here but there were a lot of people without Nazi tattoos who were goaded into voting for Nazis because they got accused of shit preemptively. And the Nazis were just glad to welcome them aboard.
Yes I still blame them but also maybe we should examine that impulse a little.
Somewhat? The murders of political rivals were violent and the following holocaust but most things leading up to those largely happened with the German people's consent, which fascistic governments are effective at gaining.
It was pretty hostile but there was a lot of democratic process and the key thing was the ratcheting up over a good 10 years before they really went for power. They would take small pieces of power and grow their control incrementally until they had too much momentum for any other group to deal with them. Also some groups thought they could use them to their advantage and reign them in when things were sorted. They were getting the highest votes but it was a mixture of a lot of things and they pretty quickly stopped being democratic votes after the first few elections. Lots of propaganda, a large amount of coercion at least initially, some blindness and unforeseen consequences but a decent portion of the population supported the whole thing. At least that's my understanding.
Reminds of how some self professed "anarchists" insist on capital punishment, like an unwitting opposame, to, e.g. nazis, not realising/admitting what they're really engaged in is another form of malarchy, not anarchy. Reminder, malarchism is not anarchism.
Can't be anything other than extreme. Absolutely everything is is black and what, right or wrong. You're absolutely right or you're absolutely wrong. There's no in between. Trying to find a middle ground means you're not agreeing with me --> you're a nazi/communist/liberal/tankie.
I'm not American and what you're saying doesn't make sense anyway. The US enables free speech to the point of self-destruction. Trump is in the White House now, not in prison, precisely for that reason.
This paradox was articulated by philosopher Karl Popper in The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945),[1] where he argued that a truly tolerant society must retain the right to execute those who promote intolerance.
Perhaps death is too far but name, shame, and ridicule until they stop speaking Nazi rhetoric, until they are afraid to spread their opinions. The world fought a war about this and we all agree the idea of massacring millions for their religious views is a bad thing. I'm looking at you Israel, just because your peoples were victims once doesn't mean you cant turn around and become the evil you once feared. As a society we must deny tolerance to those who would take advantage of said tolerance and promote intolerance
The world fought a war about this and we all agree the idea of massacring millions for their religious views is a bad thing
That was not what WW2 was fought about at all.
The Jews weren’t killed in the Holocaust for their religious views, but for their ethnicity. An atheist communist with one Jewish parent went to the gas chambers and shooting pits just like the pious Jew in traditional dress.
No, they were rightly fought because they had active roles in the mass murder of millions of innocent people. Your argument is a strawman; the post is advocating for the murder of people based on their views, not theit actions.
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taiyang@lemmy.world · 77 pts · 307d
Why the death penalty?
Suspected Nazis should be given community service to work in soup kitchens, clean graffiti and pickup trash and such in majority black and brown neighborhoods.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 62 pts · 306d
This. Fuck the death penalty. No good government kills its own people.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 12 pts · 306d
I watched a documentary about one who worked in a prison laundry and got better but his brother didn’t.
Soulg@ani.social · 18 pts · 306d
I know you're making a joke but if some of them get better that's still a net positive
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 0 pts · 306d
It definitely is.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 7 pts · 306d
The thing is that you better ensure they don't work or meet up with other nazis in that meantime, otherwise they might reinforce their stupid aryan bubble
Oppopity@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 306d
Send them to reeducation camps.
DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 306d
graffiti is a important rebellion tool though i think cleaning the sewers by hand with toothbrushes is more fitting
taiyang@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 306d
I mean, yes and no. I live where gang tags and random acts of vandalism are rather a frequent occurrence so when I say graffiti removal, I'm thinking that. Things like that only work to harm our neighborhood, defacing our storefronts and public transit and making people feel less safe in their community.
But yes, some forms of graffiti are expression and art. Nazis would take pleasure in removing that we aren't for that, of course.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · -2 pts · 306d
Because we need to be rid of them once and for all. It's too risky to let them live
KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 306d
I have faith that it's possible to reform at least some of them, even if it's not everyone
A lot of what gets people into these beliefs is environmental factors and the beliefs of those around them
DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 306d
Do you think it's genetic? Like we will still learn about Nazis, and so long as we do there will be people who agree with it.
JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 306d
You need to watch Rise of the Sith
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 19 pts · 306d
Really hate to be the shithead here but there were a lot of people without Nazi tattoos who were goaded into voting for Nazis because they got accused of shit preemptively. And the Nazis were just glad to welcome them aboard.
Yes I still blame them but also maybe we should examine that impulse a little.
PillowTalk420@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 306d
"You fucking Nazi!"
"What? I'm not a nazi! And to prove it, I'm voting for the nazis!"
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 306d
It’s my understanding that the Nazi party was in fact not voted into power. It was a hostile takeover.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 306d
Somewhat? The murders of political rivals were violent and the following holocaust but most things leading up to those largely happened with the German people's consent, which fascistic governments are effective at gaining.
snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 306d
It was pretty hostile but there was a lot of democratic process and the key thing was the ratcheting up over a good 10 years before they really went for power. They would take small pieces of power and grow their control incrementally until they had too much momentum for any other group to deal with them. Also some groups thought they could use them to their advantage and reign them in when things were sorted. They were getting the highest votes but it was a mixture of a lot of things and they pretty quickly stopped being democratic votes after the first few elections. Lots of propaganda, a large amount of coercion at least initially, some blindness and unforeseen consequences but a decent portion of the population supported the whole thing. At least that's my understanding.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 306d
Minority, but a plurality. And then the fuckery and take over began.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 306d
Everyone in the PRC supports the CCP.
It's because the ruling party is so good that everyone loves them unconditionally, of course.
sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 307d
You're just horny to kill people.
Kinda like a... fucking Nazi.
JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org · -1 pts · 306d
George Washington was very proud of all the people he killed, and rightly so. You need to be more patriotic.
sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 306d
I never voted for him
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 306d
Reminds of how some self professed "anarchists" insist on capital punishment, like an unwitting opposame, to, e.g. nazis, not realising/admitting what they're really engaged in is another form of malarchy, not anarchy. Reminder, malarchism is not anarchism.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 306d
Also reminds of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwpYMYnAsz4
derry@midwest.social · 2 pts · 306d
The same way they knew they were ms13 gang members, duh.
atro_city@fedia.io · -7 pts · 306d
The USAian view again:
Can't be anything other than extreme. Absolutely everything is is black and what, right or wrong. You're absolutely right or you're absolutely wrong. There's no in between. Trying to find a middle ground means you're not agreeing with me --> you're a nazi/communist/liberal/tankie.
USAians man...
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 306d
I'm not American and what you're saying doesn't make sense anyway. The US enables free speech to the point of self-destruction. Trump is in the White House now, not in prison, precisely for that reason.
atro_city@fedia.io · -2 pts · 306d
For not being USAian, your view and reading comprehension is.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 307d
If you execute people for holding views you don't like you're no better than a Nazi.
dadarobot@lemmy.sdf.org · 31 pts · 307d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 307d
Please quote the part where Karl Popper suggests executing people.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 307d
At least, that's what the op apparently read.
sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 307d
You intentionally misquoted. You wrote:
But the real quote is:
Why did you do this?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 307d
Is joke.
18107@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 306d
I suggest making edit obvious to those reading who don't know the original source. Something like:
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 306d
Because they thought you wouldn't call them out.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 307d
That definitely doesn't say you should kill people you disagree with.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · -2 pts · 307d
TIL Georg Elser was as bad as Hitler. /s
wetsoggybread@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 307d
Perhaps death is too far but name, shame, and ridicule until they stop speaking Nazi rhetoric, until they are afraid to spread their opinions. The world fought a war about this and we all agree the idea of massacring millions for their religious views is a bad thing. I'm looking at you Israel, just because your peoples were victims once doesn't mean you cant turn around and become the evil you once feared. As a society we must deny tolerance to those who would take advantage of said tolerance and promote intolerance
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 307d
That was not what WW2 was fought about at all.
The Jews weren’t killed in the Holocaust for their religious views, but for their ethnicity. An atheist communist with one Jewish parent went to the gas chambers and shooting pits just like the pious Jew in traditional dress.
sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 307d
So you disagree with the post about murdering people. Good!
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 307d
Found the "centrist".
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · -12 pts · 307d
Found the tankie
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 307d
Not a tankie, try again.
So the partisans who killed Mussolini are supposedly just as bad as Mussolini and Georg Elser just as bad as Hitler, or what? /s
LegenDarius@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 306d
No, they were rightly fought because they had active roles in the mass murder of millions of innocent people. Your argument is a strawman; the post is advocating for the murder of people based on their views, not theit actions.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 306d
I think that's the strawman.
LegenDarius@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 306d
How?
marcos@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 306d
Nah, the OP is one step ahead and wants to execute people for holding tattoos.
Oppopity@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 306d
Nazi: I want to create an ethnostate and genocide the people I consider inferior.
Anti-nazi: Well then I'll kill you to prevent you from doing that.
You for some reason: both these positions are equally bad.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 307d
Apparently people with Nazi tattoos are progressive these days