My parents have this old 2015 MacBook Air that they wanted to use but couldn’t due to no security updates and slow running. I convinced them to let me load up fedora on it instead of junking it. They only really need it for some basic document writing, email, and web surfing so I figured this is perfect for them.
Made a bootable drive with Fedora 43 work station on it, figured gnome would be the most Apple like spin. Everything went super smooth until I realized that the WiFi drivers weren’t installed lol. I also didn’t have a Ethernet adapter for usb-a so I had to overnight it to me while my parents swore I bricked their Mac all night. Got the adapter this AM, hooked it up, installed the drivers and other necessary tweaks, and viola! This Mac has new life.
So far my parents are liking it and understanding it (even though my mom seems more excited about the snoopy wallpaper and Firefox theme, lol). Getting their emails on thunderbird was driving me crazy. Nothing to do with thunderbird, they just didn’t know their passwords smh. All in all not bad. To new Linux converts

84 Comments
LeFantome@programming.dev · 74 pts · 270d
I got a laugh at the end as I have also experienced that the hardest part about converting parents to Linux is them not knowing their passwords.
Kelp@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 270d
Oh the pain. You should’ve heard the accusations of someone else changing their passwords…somehow. Yet they’ll both bring up me bricking the fam computer dl linkin park from limewire…like 20+ years ago lol
Wfh@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 270d
This. Migrating my father to Bluefin was absolutely eventless. Except the 8 hours of fighting over passwords. Because I'm supposed to know all his passwords, apparently.
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 269d
+1 for bluefin. I'm actually running that on my own laptop. Fw13, it's been rock solid, which is exactly what I wanted.
elvith@feddit.org · 6 pts · 269d
Mine didn’t want to migrate and I had to build them a new PC with Win11 (their old one was barely able to run win 10 and had already some hardware problems, so a new one was on my bucket list for a while) - but… yeah the most time was spent tracking down all these passwords and accounts they were constantly using without knowing which email address and which password was used for the account…
IronKrill@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 268d
This is going to get so much worse with passkeys becoming more common...
elvith@feddit.org · 1 pts · 268d
I get the idea, and in general I love it - especially since they eliminate phishing in theory. BUT making my device my "password" now shifts the single point of failure from me forgetting my password to me protecting my devices from any kind of error/damage/data loss/... Collecting all passkeys in your Google Account is probably also not the best idea, considering how little chance you have to get your account back if it ever gets locked by a random event you may or may not have participated in.
Having them device independent (e.g. in a password safe) is nice, though. But then, if I use my password safe right, I should already be somewhat protected from phishing, as my auto fill won't trigger on a random phishing site.
data1701d@startrek.website · 47 pts · 270d
I’m confused. How did you save your parent’s Masters in Business Administration? /s
(Sorry. I can’t help but think that every time someone acronym’s Macbook Air.)
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 269d
I'm glad he specified it later, but dereferencing the jargon the first time it's used - especially an initialism often linked to something else - is much better.
Hands up if you also saw "Masters of Business Administration" and were a little confused.
JargonWagon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 269d
Same, I was incredibly impressed that installing Linux ended up getting them a masters degree in business admin, and then realized they meant Macbook Air. I was let down a little, but still happy to see life of technology extended further.
anon5621@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 269d
Webcamera also should not work btw, cause it need firmware which is not part of linux-firmware package also webcamera need color correction files ,I wrote 2 scripts which fix it,if u need webcamera let me know
Kelp@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 269d
Oh that would be great if you could. I’d appreciate it!
anon5621@lemmy.ml · 32 pts · 269d
First one
and second
Kelp@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 269d
You are awesome!!! That got everything working swimmingly well. Thank you sooo much
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de · 22 pts · 270d
That hardware still has plenty of power for basic use. It should be good for another 10 years running Linux.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 269d
Gnome is closer out of the box.
But you can make KDE work almost exactly like macOS. The top bar context menu, power menu, bottom dock, left-hand window buttons, etc.
It just involves changing a bunch of settings.
BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world · 6 pts · 269d
Yeah KDE is incredibly flexible. You can get most of the way there downloading a Global Theme from KDE's settings menu (such as MacOS Big Sur) - that lays out all the panels, including the top bar context menu, power menu, dock, left sided window buttons. There are then some extra visual themes such as cursors, icons that people can get separately if they really want to completely mimic a Mac.
wiegell@feddit.dk · 5 pts · 269d
I in the process of doing that, but the most problematic thing is the keyboard shortcuts IMO. All the apps have their own default shortcuts, all defaulting to ctrl + * instead of cmd + *
Kelp@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 269d
I personally use Fedora plasma on my thinkpad. Love it even though I’ve done like no customizing of it. I chose gnome for my parents cause I wanted a close out of the box experience…and I also wanted to play with Fedora workstation 43 before upgrading my plasma os
BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world · 8 pts · 269d
KDE is genuinely incredibly flexible - you can make it into pretty much any GUI that exists. The default windows like set up is fine, but there are so many easy tweaks and changes you can make to get it however you want. I have a floating dock-like set up instead of a window-like taskbar, with application launcher, icon-only view, system tray, clock and power button.
For simple tweaks yoy can right click on most component of your KDE panels and select "Show alternatives..." to see different official versions of the same component. For example, the Application Launcher offers an alternative Application Menu with cascading menus like an old-school windows start menu, or a full screen gnome-like Application Dashboard. And there are also loads more user made tools if you right click and select "Add or Manage widgets". Every component of the desktop is a widget and can be moved, swapped out, duplicated or replaced.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 269d
Xfce and themetwister get you near exact for mac os or windows visual clones.
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 269d
I mean, you can do the same with Gnome and its extensions system.
architectonas@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 269d
What are the advantages?
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz · 14 pts · 269d
KDE can be set up such that a ex-mac-user barely has to re-learn anything.
The difference is that while gnome looks a lot like MacOS, it isn't exactly like it in terms of layout. An ex-mac-user will look for certain things in certain places, and won't always find them. (such as power off/restart being up in the left corner)
Meanwhile, the customizability of the KDE desktop means you can manually put the same things in the same places as on MacOS. You can put a krunner search button in the same spot as the spotlight search button. You can make a panel that behaves like the dock, floating and shrinking to fit the number of icons in it. You can have a top panel with a power menu on the left end, and you can display a global menu to the right of it. Even the krunner keybind is the same, and spotlight people tend to pickup krunner like nothing.
Finally, the KDE settings application seems to be the most similar to the modern MacOS settings application.
The big caveat being that the user will need someone who can instruct them with setting this up, or who can set it up for them.
architectonas@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 269d
Thank you for elaborating!
BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world · 4 pts · 269d
It's really not that difficult with a Global Theme; anyone can do it. There are step by step tutorials on line (such as this one from howtogeek) for people who want to do it manually. The benefit of manual is if there is a major KDE update it is more likely to be completely unaffected; very rarely Global Themes can break and need their own updates.
The Mac ones are the 2nd most popular in the Global Theme store and well maintained though.
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 269d
Gnome extensions are also capable of that.
ulterno@programming.dev · 0 pts · 268d
In this case, I would say Gnome was a good choice.
Just looking the same as macOS would not be the real requirement, as long as the user gets a sense of familiarity.
You really want to give them as simple a configuration system as possible, for which Gnome is a good idea.
I won't be going to Gnome, because I am fine with putting a few extra seconds to understand the options to get the high configurability in return but that might not be the case for OP's parents.
And if some specific unavailable feature was required, they would probably ask OP, who can then install a corresponding extension.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 269d
KDE will never work the same as MacOS until its control panel looks about the same as MacOS' system preferences app. Idk what it's like now, but back in my day KDE's settings looked more like Windows' registry editor, and KDE was obviously influenced by Windows while Gnome 2 was influenced by MacOS.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 269d
You really haven't checked lately, then.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 269d
Yeah, that scrollbar on KDE doesn't inspire confidence.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 269d
Don't be difficult.
You really cannot argue that the layout, and hence how people would actually navigate it is not "about the same". Your words.
To bring up a cosmetic difference is a nitpick. It's the breeze theme, with a personal color scheme on top, not something explicitly made to look like MacOS. Which it could be.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 269d
TIL the amount of things to twiddle is a ‘cosmetic difference’.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 269d
It is.
That MacOS doesn't display the scrollbar except while scrolling, does not reduce the height of the total list.
Both have search fields for good reason.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 269d
Yeah sure. One needs to wade through dialogs for three days every time they want to change something, that's the Windows and KDE way!
MrSoup@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 270d
Where did you got wifi drivers? From the distro repo? Why didn't you used a flash drive to pass them w/o an adapter?
Kelp@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 270d
I enabled the free and non free repos and entered
sudo dnf in broadcom-wl
That got everything working. I used the Ethernet method cause I am a noob and was not aware of using a flash drive until just now lol. Guess I got something else to learn
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 269d
You can also just hook your phone up via usb and enable usb tethering, allowing the PC to use wifi or mobile broadband via the phone.
Kelp@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 269d
Someone told me that too, lol. I’m learning all sorts today. Oh well. At least now I have Ethernet adapters for every sort of port
BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world · 9 pts · 269d
No one is born knowing this stuff; everyone learns it somewhere. But omg it's still frustrating after you spend days taking the difficult route and someone says "oh you could have just done this in 2 mins". My sympathy to you! :D But GG on getting your parents onto Linux and saving them from wasting money on a new laptop!
funkajunk@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 270d
Right? That was my first thought.
Sneakernet ftw
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 269d
Congrats on saving your parents' master of business administration!
data1701d@startrek.website · 3 pts · 269d
I thought the same thing.
ulterno@programming.dev · 3 pts · 268d
I came in thinking this was some data recovery story using Linux to get an MBA certificate.
tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 269d
Why do people hide local ip address on fastfetch.
Kelp@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 269d
Overly cautious and slightly tech illiterate. I’m working on the latter though!
data1701d@startrek.website · 5 pts · 268d
For reference, sharing your local IP address is a little like saying “I’m in room 223” (local IP address) and not saying what building (network) you’re in. Someone can’t walk into 223 in a different building and get to the same room you’re in.
Honestly, even if someone knew what network you were on, a local IP address wouldn’t be that useful because even if they successfully got on your network, as long as you have a properly-configured firewall and no vulnerable network-exposed services on your system, they can’t really do anything.
Honestly, while it’s still not a bright idea to tempt fate like that, even sharing your public IP isn’t that bad for the same reasons if it’s a competent home user; the worst that can happen on a properly-configured network is that someone tries and fails to exploit vulnerabilities that aren’t there and MAYBE drum up your internet bill. Also, for most ISPs, your public IP changes pretty often anyway, usually something like every few days to a week, due to changing DHCP leases.
Kelp@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 268d
Thank you for all that info! I appreciate it. Definitely furthers my goal of tech literacy. I’ve always been competent at using computers but don’t know much about anything more in depth.
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 270d
leg
Kelp@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 270d
She’s starting off on the…right foot :) I still gotta finish her. Literally just haven’t done the right leg/foot armor
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 267d
I think she's starting off on the left foot.
AstroLightz@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 269d
I like the snoopy wallpaper as well. I'm glad your parents seem to enjoy it (the wallpaper and the computer lol).
Also, why is there a toothbrush on the right?
Kelp@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 269d
Ah, that’s my gunpla toothbrush. I build Japanese model kits and the toothbrush is great for getting dust and plastic residue out of paneling and corners
wolfeh@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 268d
I think there's probably a
raccoonguy up near Boston who could use that toothbrush.Kelp@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 268d
Greatest technician already has my mothers toothbrush lol
Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 269d
Love to see it! I got my parents onto Linux Mint about a year ago and it's been great for them.
Their home PC is way too old to upgrade to Windows 11, plus I didn't want them subjected to Microsoft's trash software and spying, so Linux it was.
Themed it similar to Windows 10, even changed the "Start" menu icon to the Windows 10 logo so my parents felt safe using it lol.
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 269d
If only my mom was also open minded about switching to Linux.
Offering her IT assistance wasn’t enough..
Kelp@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 269d
Luckily my mom is pretty open minded. Throw snoopy on it and she’ll like it lol
modus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 269d
Just tell her it's a free version of MacOS.
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 269d
Even worse, shés using Windows 11. But a friend of her’s who’s the IT guy for every old lady in the area loves Microsoft products and I can’t do anything against it.
Even proposing to be available to help wasn’t enough..
modus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 269d
Tell her it's Windows 11+ Pro Ultra?
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 269d
Super Ultra Windows 11' X Turbo Hyper Fighting Plus Extra Special Champion Edition Revival: The World Warrior New Challengers Tournament Battle Grand Master Challenge
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 269d
What are the instructions for behind the MacBook Air? Gundam model?
Kelp@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 269d
That’s for my girlpla kit to the right of the mba. I just have the right leg to finish lol. It’s the Ludens kit made by Kojima and Kotobukia. Really great kit so far. No fitment issues yes and tons of features
Obnomus@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 268d
Nice.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 2 pts · 270d
My 2015 MacBook Pro is still getting updates.
LeFantome@programming.dev · 11 pts · 270d
Without OCLP, the latest release of macOS that a 2015 MacBook Pro will run is Monterey (5 releases ago).
The final release of Monterey was July 2024. So no, it is not getting updates anymore. Worse, many programs require a newer release of macOS to run at all.
This is a perfect system to migrate to Linux. It will run faster, be more secure, and will have totally up-to-date software.
maccentric@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 269d
I still run Monterey on my MBP 2015 and haven’t found anything that doesn’t work for me.
I tried using newer OSs via OCLP but they were notably less performant and I seem to dislike most of the design changes Apple is making of late (they keep hiding shit I use all the time)
LeFantome@programming.dev · 2 pts · 269d
Had to upgrade my wife as she could not use Zoom and I think Teams. Plus Office could not get final updates and even Numbers and Keynote wanted a newer version of macOS. I cannot remember what else.
maccentric@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 269d
Yes, I’ve seen those issues. Thankfully I don’t have to use Teams or Zoom and I use LibreOffice whenever I’m in need of office apps, which is rare for me.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 2 pts · 270d
I dual boot Linux mint on it now but I should try oclp because I love getting iMessages on it for work.
Linearity@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 269d
Dawg
My 2017 MacBook Air stopped getting security updates a year ago, I doubt yours does
maccentric@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 269d
If that’s a concern Ventura runs reasonably well via OCLP.
Linearity@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 269d
I seeee
Thank you for the tip but I’m very happy with Linux now 😆
data1701d@startrek.website · 4 pts · 270d
OCLP?
machenni@procial.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 270d
@data1701d@startrek.website @SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world can confirm, also own an 2015 MacBook Air.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 0 pts · 270d
I haven’t had to go that route yet because they’re still doing security updates for the last os that’s officially supported on it.
data1701d@startrek.website · 4 pts · 270d
Really? I thought the last version for those was Monterrey and that that went EOL in 2024.
That reminds me; the other day a client walked up to the help desk I work at with a 2015 MBP still running El Capitan.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 1 pts · 270d
Have you had luck with oclp?
data1701d@startrek.website · 3 pts · 270d
I’ve never even owned a Mac; I know about it because I’ve Hackintoshed a few times, so I’m familiar with OpenCore.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · -2 pts · 269d
I make a point not to work with people that don't have password managers. I'd tell them that's a prereq