"Guys I just started buddhism and so far it has just been sitting quietly, and destroying sand mandalas, when does it get to the good stuff like reincarnation? Can I skip the first season and start with 2 or will this have important plot ramifications?"
I already sense some strong dedication here. I once knew a bloke who also did noFap. After one month he woke up in the middle of the night, his penis glowing red and aching so much that it woke him up. He barely touched his penis and then proceeded to create the biggest mess he'd ever seen on the bathroom floor. Ever since then he thought that this can't be healthy and stopped.
Yeah a lot of them are pretty open about going to Christianity because they're directionless. It offers purpose, direction, and community. That all is something the left has struggled to provide to these people (but it absolutely can). So yeah, talk to the directionless young men in your life about food not bombs and union organizing or the right will.
I agree. For a lot of people, politics is just a hobby that they've sunk their entire identity into. Like the new golfer that starts buying all sorts of clubs and gear, or the new woodworker who has to buy every tool before he makes a single cutting board, etc.
They discover politics, and the next thing you know, they're wearing star-spangled ties in the office, they've got stickers all over their bumper, they've programmed their car radio presets to nothing but conservative talk stations, they develop a snear whenever they say the word Liberal, etc.
They just need a new hobby. Get them a new bicycle, and in a month they'll have a $5000 Italian racing bike, all the tight spandex clothes, special expensive shoes with locking cleats, $300 Oakleys, etc. They'll be a pain in the ass on the roads, but at least they'll be too busy riding to vote.
I stopped watching the Old Testament when I came to Chronicles, at which point I gave up. How do you introduce 900 new characters in a single chapter...
That's actually exactly how the 70s "chaos magick" (I.e Peter J. Caroll or Phill Hine, to list some authors) occultism works. If you get past the cringy name, it was one of the more interesting occultistm movements which actually kind of make sense even to me, as someone who's not really into esoterism (or rather - I like researching it because it's extremely interesting - the actual formal occultism, not new age bullshit, but would feel dumb practicing since I'm skeptical)
Their core idea is that all of the other occultist movements and orders are basically all the same - through belief, rituals and symbols you affect your subconscious to manifest change (in your subconscious behavior, not "summoning money" or "cursing my ex"), and it doesn't matter what "flavor" / dogma / lore you choose to believe in. What matters is that you really truly belive.
So, a wiccan making circles in a forest while invoicing spirits or someone making a pizza pentagram while invoking Garfield is the same,as long as he believes into it.
The only thing that matters is that it works for you, and to find what does and what doesn't they work with "paradigm shifts", where you decide that " I"m going to try wicca for a year", and then you delve deep into that practice, trying to trully accept it and go all in, noting your experience and results, to see if it works for you. Some even suggest throwing a dice each morning to see what you'll do today.
After a year, you review your results, and move on to other practice, I.e "I'll be a christian for a year", and you really get into it, going to churches, practicing all the daily prayers and rituals, and the like.
It's my favorite occultism movement, because it's one of the few where I can imagine that it actually makes sense and could work for making your life better, if you have grounded expectations of course. Having an open mind and just experimenting, as long as you are safe and don't let it control your life, should mostly be just a net-positive, plus it's actually fun
I don't subscribe to Chaos Magick per se, but I do appreciate the postmodern view and willingness to sort of aggregate what works. Personally, it's the cringe folks leaning into "I'm a mess, so I do chaos magic" crew that turn me off to the whole movement even though the premise is rational and based. That and I don't like dealing with the costs of doing magick that just come with the territory. Sort of like remote viewing - if it works, then you get results and you're doing it right.
I'm pleasantly surprised at Lemmy's response to this comment, though.
Tbh I've never really looked into or talked with almost anyone who's into oculltism. I do know a few friends who are heavily into the unformalized new-age stuff, and they are definitely not ok to the point it controls their life, but I realize that it's a spectrum (and I don't mean it as "it's autism" way, but that the way people approach even to the new-age stuff can be a spectrum of reasonable-dangeeous). I'm mostly sad because you can't really talk to people like that, and share cool lore on a topic most people consider downright crazy, because there isn't any or they haven't done any research. Even astrology has some cool lore and manuscripts, but they usually don't care.
I just think it's cool, and reading about the practices of different cults and orders is extremely interresting.
I'd vager a guess that "chaos magick" has a similar problem to LaVeye's Satanism, where you get a lot of edgy people researching the bare minimum, if even that, and just being edgy. Not that it wasn't edgy, it's one of the few movements that was downright off-puting for me due to how extremely selfish and arogant it is (IIRC it's basically "I m a massive dick and walk over anyone"), but people who don't even know what they are subscribing to are worse.
I never got that feeling from chaos magick, it felt just like you said - extremely rational, and was actually the first movement that made sense, as in "I can imagine this actually working", with the argument "rituals work by nudging your subconsciousness to the direction you need".
That's basically the same as Budhissm does, just by hacks and symbols instead of just sheer practice and will. And we kind of have a proof that budhism works.
And even for someone who doesn't really believe in magic, this makes sense and I can imagine it actually working.
Plus, doing rituals is fun, and a little faith gives a pretty fun amount of LARPing into your life, as long as you don't let it control you and are reasonable about it.
Rituals are very important for humans. Always have been, since before we knew how to write them down. They punctuate the year, they anchor cultures, they provide context within a lifetime to measure change, and the seasonal progression defines the agricultural cycle.
It's interesting that Buddhism is also on a spectrum, like you say, where the Tibetan versions lean way into their original shamanic roots, and it goes from there down to the nearly secular Western versions. Zenju Earthlyn Manuel write a cool book about the shamanic origins of Soto Zen, and it really all tracks. It's order overlayed on the ad hoc nature of animism. There's a gap where intent and, to some degree, ego powers magic, but with Buddhism, it's like a negative space where you kind of are affecting the world around you, but you're not invested in outcomes.
To be honest I never really looked into Budhism, but my only experience with the practice is from the amazing Mind Illuminated book, which I think is loosely based on their practice as far as meditation goes, while providing a reasonable context and arguments about why it works. Learning to consciously control your subconsius feels kind of reasonable, and I highly recommend the book to anyone interrested in that.
Late-convert catholics are the worst kind of christians. They're just fundie evangelists that want to dominionism harder than the dominionists themselves.
You don't need any labels to agree with the fundamental truths and moral teachings shared by big J. If you have eyes to see and ears to hear (the subvocalization inherent in reading, because we're around 2000 years too late to hear him preach, lol), the Sermon of the Mount just makes sense, for instance.
Idk what this person is doing besides memeing for our collective amusement, but if they're for real they need to rethink the way they think before they start any applied philosophical pursuits. 😅
True, but that more or less applies to all religions. The problem is that it's never just the wisdom of the beatitudes or the Tao Te Ching. At a certain point they start asking you to believe this guy rose from the dead, and a lot of us just don't buy it
82 Comments
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social · 110 pts · 273d
"Guys I just started buddhism and so far it has just been sitting quietly, and destroying sand mandalas, when does it get to the good stuff like reincarnation? Can I skip the first season and start with 2 or will this have important plot ramifications?"
ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world · 51 pts · 273d
"Is there an in-universe way to pay myself forward? It's taking too long and the grind makes me bored out of my mind".
TheFriendlyDickhead@feddit.org · 7 pts · 273d
Yes you can. Just send 500$ in playstation gift cards to the following address: 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20500
LongLive@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 272d
is that white house
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 99 pts · 273d
These guys really think not beating their meat will improve their life in a significant way?
random_character_a@lemmy.world · 88 pts · 273d
You really can't be a proper christian, unless you want to fuck everything in sight and at the same time feel disgusted and ashamed by it.
tired_n_bored@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 273d
You here have explained the root reason of so much bigotry and hatred
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 272d
You know they probably use the death grip method, too, because they really hate their own dicks.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 273d
They think attacking the symptoms is attacking the cause...
then_three_more@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 273d
The Anti Frank-N-Furter
swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 272d
FireRetardant@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 273d
It can if they currently have an unhealthy habit or addiction to fapping or porn.
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 6 pts · 273d
tired_n_bored@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 273d
Is it weird that I think that doing so is kinda gross? And I am a man. I don't do it often.
remon@ani.social · 22 pts · 273d
Yes, that's weird.
tired_n_bored@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 273d
Thanks
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 272d
Hope you're getting plenty then. You want to ejaculate around twenty times a month for a healthy prostate.
db2@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 273d
It basically is though, it's larping.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 34 pts · 273d
Stop insulting us LARPers. What have we ever done to deserve it?
ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world · 15 pts · 273d
LARP WAR!
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 1 pts · 272d
Lightning bolts
codemankey@programming.dev · 8 pts · 273d
It’s larping for people without a sense of humour.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 273d
"Starting noFap in 1/2 months."
I already sense some strong dedication here. I once knew a bloke who also did noFap. After one month he woke up in the middle of the night, his penis glowing red and aching so much that it woke him up. He barely touched his penis and then proceeded to create the biggest mess he'd ever seen on the bathroom floor. Ever since then he thought that this can't be healthy and stopped.
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 36 pts · 273d
glowing?
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 32 pts · 273d
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 273d
Santas going to get sleighed tonight.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 273d
In the dark.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 272d
Semen becomes bioluminescent if too much of it accretes. The red was the blood vessels.
Sadbutdru@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 272d
We've all been there.
FireRetardant@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 273d
Im my experience I end up with wet dreams well before an erection is going to wake me up.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de · 15 pts · 273d
Yes, "a friend" surely told you this story from his personal life.
kurwa@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 273d
Some motherfuckers share too much
village604@adultswim.fan · 3 pts · 272d
My wife is one of those people who strangers will spill their darkest secrets to. It's weird what people feel comfortable telling her.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 272d
Example.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 273d
Wait did he stop nofap or stop masturbating on the bathroom floor in the middle of the night?
toynbee@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 272d
I once encountered a coworker who had a friend who participated in no shave November.
According to the coworker, at the end of the month the friend quit his job, bought a bunch of flannel, and opened a brewery.
I never met the friend in question, but according to the coworker that's a true story.
Mwa@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 272d
idk if this is true,but holy that doesnt sound healthy.
and maybe NNN isnt healthy aswell.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 272d
Duh
Valmond@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 272d
Just don't shave for a month and you're good.
AmericanEconomicThinkTank@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 273d
Most folk just want direction. Sometimes all it takes is the right social club to change a lifetime of political direction.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 273d
Sometimes all it takes is joining a cult
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 272d
Yeah a lot of them are pretty open about going to Christianity because they're directionless. It offers purpose, direction, and community. That all is something the left has struggled to provide to these people (but it absolutely can). So yeah, talk to the directionless young men in your life about food not bombs and union organizing or the right will.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 272d
I agree. For a lot of people, politics is just a hobby that they've sunk their entire identity into. Like the new golfer that starts buying all sorts of clubs and gear, or the new woodworker who has to buy every tool before he makes a single cutting board, etc.
They discover politics, and the next thing you know, they're wearing star-spangled ties in the office, they've got stickers all over their bumper, they've programmed their car radio presets to nothing but conservative talk stations, they develop a snear whenever they say the word Liberal, etc.
They just need a new hobby. Get them a new bicycle, and in a month they'll have a $5000 Italian racing bike, all the tight spandex clothes, special expensive shoes with locking cleats, $300 Oakleys, etc. They'll be a pain in the ass on the roads, but at least they'll be too busy riding to vote.
village604@adultswim.fan · 9 pts · 272d
looks at his garage full of woodworking tools
I didn't come here to be called out. I just need a jointer then I'll finally be able to make stuff
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 272d
I hear ya, brother.
renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 273d
- Jesus Christ, 33 CE
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 273d
Lmao
tomiant@piefed.social · 27 pts · 273d
I stopped watching the Old Testament when I came to Chronicles, at which point I gave up. How do you introduce 900 new characters in a single chapter...
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 272d
It's even worse than that, they introduce them and then like 90% of them are never mentioned ever again.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 273d
Oh boy, speed running to christian nationalism.
Mikina@programming.dev · 25 pts · 273d
That's actually exactly how the 70s "chaos magick" (I.e Peter J. Caroll or Phill Hine, to list some authors) occultism works. If you get past the cringy name, it was one of the more interesting occultistm movements which actually kind of make sense even to me, as someone who's not really into esoterism (or rather - I like researching it because it's extremely interesting - the actual formal occultism, not new age bullshit, but would feel dumb practicing since I'm skeptical)
Their core idea is that all of the other occultist movements and orders are basically all the same - through belief, rituals and symbols you affect your subconscious to manifest change (in your subconscious behavior, not "summoning money" or "cursing my ex"), and it doesn't matter what "flavor" / dogma / lore you choose to believe in. What matters is that you really truly belive.
So, a wiccan making circles in a forest while invoicing spirits or someone making a pizza pentagram while invoking Garfield is the same,as long as he believes into it.
The only thing that matters is that it works for you, and to find what does and what doesn't they work with "paradigm shifts", where you decide that " I"m going to try wicca for a year", and then you delve deep into that practice, trying to trully accept it and go all in, noting your experience and results, to see if it works for you. Some even suggest throwing a dice each morning to see what you'll do today.
After a year, you review your results, and move on to other practice, I.e "I'll be a christian for a year", and you really get into it, going to churches, practicing all the daily prayers and rituals, and the like.
It's my favorite occultism movement, because it's one of the few where I can imagine that it actually makes sense and could work for making your life better, if you have grounded expectations of course. Having an open mind and just experimenting, as long as you are safe and don't let it control your life, should mostly be just a net-positive, plus it's actually fun
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 272d
I don't subscribe to Chaos Magick per se, but I do appreciate the postmodern view and willingness to sort of aggregate what works. Personally, it's the cringe folks leaning into "I'm a mess, so I do chaos magic" crew that turn me off to the whole movement even though the premise is rational and based. That and I don't like dealing with the costs of doing magick that just come with the territory. Sort of like remote viewing - if it works, then you get results and you're doing it right.
I'm pleasantly surprised at Lemmy's response to this comment, though.
Mikina@programming.dev · 2 pts · 272d
Tbh I've never really looked into or talked with almost anyone who's into oculltism. I do know a few friends who are heavily into the unformalized new-age stuff, and they are definitely not ok to the point it controls their life, but I realize that it's a spectrum (and I don't mean it as "it's autism" way, but that the way people approach even to the new-age stuff can be a spectrum of reasonable-dangeeous). I'm mostly sad because you can't really talk to people like that, and share cool lore on a topic most people consider downright crazy, because there isn't any or they haven't done any research. Even astrology has some cool lore and manuscripts, but they usually don't care.
I just think it's cool, and reading about the practices of different cults and orders is extremely interresting.
I'd vager a guess that "chaos magick" has a similar problem to LaVeye's Satanism, where you get a lot of edgy people researching the bare minimum, if even that, and just being edgy. Not that it wasn't edgy, it's one of the few movements that was downright off-puting for me due to how extremely selfish and arogant it is (IIRC it's basically "I m a massive dick and walk over anyone"), but people who don't even know what they are subscribing to are worse.
I never got that feeling from chaos magick, it felt just like you said - extremely rational, and was actually the first movement that made sense, as in "I can imagine this actually working", with the argument "rituals work by nudging your subconsciousness to the direction you need".
That's basically the same as Budhissm does, just by hacks and symbols instead of just sheer practice and will. And we kind of have a proof that budhism works.
And even for someone who doesn't really believe in magic, this makes sense and I can imagine it actually working.
Plus, doing rituals is fun, and a little faith gives a pretty fun amount of LARPing into your life, as long as you don't let it control you and are reasonable about it.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 271d
Rituals are very important for humans. Always have been, since before we knew how to write them down. They punctuate the year, they anchor cultures, they provide context within a lifetime to measure change, and the seasonal progression defines the agricultural cycle.
It's interesting that Buddhism is also on a spectrum, like you say, where the Tibetan versions lean way into their original shamanic roots, and it goes from there down to the nearly secular Western versions. Zenju Earthlyn Manuel write a cool book about the shamanic origins of Soto Zen, and it really all tracks. It's order overlayed on the ad hoc nature of animism. There's a gap where intent and, to some degree, ego powers magic, but with Buddhism, it's like a negative space where you kind of are affecting the world around you, but you're not invested in outcomes.
Mikina@programming.dev · 2 pts · 271d
To be honest I never really looked into Budhism, but my only experience with the practice is from the amazing Mind Illuminated book, which I think is loosely based on their practice as far as meditation goes, while providing a reasonable context and arguments about why it works. Learning to consciously control your subconsius feels kind of reasonable, and I highly recommend the book to anyone interrested in that.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 270d
Thanks, I'll check it out.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 272d
Can't start no fap right away gotta wait till his PH membership expires
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 272d
I guess he's going Catholic specifically?
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 272d
Late-convert catholics are the worst kind of christians. They're just fundie evangelists that want to dominionism harder than the dominionists themselves.
einlander@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 273d
Superbook and Flying House are anime about the Bible and Christianity.
ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world · 6 pts · 273d
What about weightlifting?
kvasir476@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 273d
How Heavy are the Dumbbells You Lift?
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 273d
What about NoFap?
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 273d
https://myanimelist.net/anime/578/Hotaru_no_Haka?cat=anime
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 273d
Well, I can’t argue there.
Themosthighstrange@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 273d
Anon gonna molest kids in his local church soon
DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 273d
Binge reading the Bible
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 272d
He won't make it past the Begats.
CXORA@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 273d
Huh two whole weeks to stop jerking off. Boy is going to be bruised
TheBat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 273d
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 272d
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 272d
FreeAZ@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 271d
Was this the pilot or something? I don't remember Moral Orel looking like this.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 271d
FreeAZ@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 271d
So Moral Orel is an entire series of "The Simpsons did it".
Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 272d
I have to laugh at the Far Cry 5 background.
Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 271d
Why not just say 2 weeks? Why 1/2 month?
Predalien@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 270d
Probably means "1 to 2 months" not half a month
toofpic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 273d
"He started with Thousand Candle Punch, and then Evoked Gabriel. This was super effective"
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 273d
You don't need any labels to agree with the fundamental truths and moral teachings shared by big J. If you have eyes to see and ears to hear (the subvocalization inherent in reading, because we're around 2000 years too late to hear him preach, lol), the Sermon of the Mount just makes sense, for instance.
Idk what this person is doing besides memeing for our collective amusement, but if they're for real they need to rethink the way they think before they start any applied philosophical pursuits. 😅
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 7 pts · 273d
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 273d
They're part of the human experience. 🤷😉
tomiant@piefed.social · 4 pts · 273d
I thought rethinking the way one thinks is applying philosophical pursuits.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 272d
Hehe I didn't mean it as "rethink your thoughts" but "rebuild your entire thinking process". 😅
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 272d
True, but that more or less applies to all religions. The problem is that it's never just the wisdom of the beatitudes or the Tao Te Ching. At a certain point they start asking you to believe this guy rose from the dead, and a lot of us just don't buy it
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 272d
Neither do I, that's why I call him big J, the man, and not "one of the deities of Roman Catholicism". 😅