I recently saw a vid about these things. Another interesting thing they can do is voluntary decapitation. The head can survive and grow new organs, possibly because photosynthesis gives them the energy to keep going and growing.
Digestion begins before you swallow. I expect if I chewed up some salad, opened my mouth and aimed it at the sun, some percentage of what I'd just chewed on would have access to co2, h2o and 600nm EMR, and synthesize a glucose molecule two.
Since the genesis of this conversation was purely semantic ("why is eating a chrolorplast theft if eating anything else isn't?") I think it's pretty fair game to point out that yes, technically I also can reap the benefits of photosynthesis in a very limited way for something im actively digesting.
Not really a point in getting into a semantic argument if you're just gonna come out swinging about being anti-science.
To put it simply, that slug basically absorb and keep the chloroplast in their own body and let it continue to photosynthesis, hence stealing the ability of the plant they feed, while in your example we basically digest it whole, leaving none of the chloroplast cell to photosynthesis.
That's a huge difference between this two organism, kinda silly to bring it up as an example, no? And technically, it's still the salad that does the photosynthesis in your example. You do know what's up, so not anti-science but trolling? Sealioning? Idk. But overall silly.
It uses the chloroplast as the algae uses them. It doesn’t really it them it uses them to photosynthesize. If you took the wing off the chicken and used it to fly you could say that was stealing its wing
I'd say, yes, you are literally consuming your food to take anything of value that your body can extract from it, often at the cost of everything for the thing you're eating (but definitely at the cost of the parts you eat). Like I'm a bit baffled as to how you can consider it not a form of theft. Hell, I'd even argue it is the purest form of theft there is and quite likely the original theft that only scavengers, photosynthesizers, and other life forms that survive on non-biological sources of energy aren't thieves in that manner.
Bees (and relatives) do it too. If you need to deal with a wasp nest or something like that, do it at night and their defense will be much less enthusiastic.
When I last dealt with some, knocking down the (small) nests would have a guard harass me until I moved about 10m away from the nest during the day. At night, it would just buzz me a bit before settling back down to rest without me even moving.
Note that I'm not saying it's safe to harass a nest/hive at night, just safer than doing it during the day. The ones I dealt with were small enough that I only ever saw a single guard plus one worker, and even during the day, sometimes I'd just fight the one guard instead of running, since it's hard for a single wasp to sting you if you can track it decently and manage any fear. Trying to deal with a large nest could still be fatal at night.
I'll add to this, sufficient artificial light will wake them up too. So don't point a big light at it in preparation for taking them out, because they'll take you out
58 Comments
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 61 pts · 275d
That is really cool!
Also chlorotica does not mean what I thought it did
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net · 43 pts · 275d
It's not Plants vs Zombies fanfic?
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 275d
It can also be that
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 274d
I can take a four-peater.
cypherpunks@lemmy.ml · 43 pts · 275d
the process has a great name: Kleptoplasty
django@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 274d
A disorder I'd like to develop.
xspurnx@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 274d
Are fan shirts available?
jimmux@programming.dev · 36 pts · 275d
I recently saw a vid about these things. Another interesting thing they can do is voluntary decapitation. The head can survive and grow new organs, possibly because photosynthesis gives them the energy to keep going and growing.
django@discuss.tchncs.de · 27 pts · 275d
I should steal some chloroplasts.
AbsolutelyClawless@piefed.social · 4 pts · 275d
We might have seen the same video 😄
adhocfungus@midwest.social · 2 pts · 275d
Was it from the Octopus Lady ? She's always great.
AbsolutelyClawless@piefed.social · 2 pts · 274d
Interestingly no! The video that was in my feed was from Real Science channel.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 25 pts · 274d
And yet when I give myself auto-brewery syndrome to keep myself permanently drunk people insist I have some kind of "serious medical problem".
ameancow@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 274d
ch00f@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 275d
I think the creators of Bioshock were correct to base the plot on seaslugs.
Klear@quokk.au · 20 pts · 275d
Especially Ayn Rand.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 275d
Fucking got her
mayorchid@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 275d
“Stealing”? Am I “stealing” fat from the food I eat? Since when is retaining some components of what you consume equivalent to theft?
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 275d
I assume chloroplast is much more complex than fat and we do actually have fat within our body, while the slug doesn't naturally grow chloroplast.
Windex007@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 274d
Am I stealing chloroplasts when I eat a salad?
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 274d
Can you photosynthesis afterward?
Windex007@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 274d
I imagine there is an incredibly short window in which I technically can.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 274d
Can't tell if joking or anti-science, but ok.
Windex007@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 274d
Digestion begins before you swallow. I expect if I chewed up some salad, opened my mouth and aimed it at the sun, some percentage of what I'd just chewed on would have access to co2, h2o and 600nm EMR, and synthesize a glucose molecule two.
Since the genesis of this conversation was purely semantic ("why is eating a chrolorplast theft if eating anything else isn't?") I think it's pretty fair game to point out that yes, technically I also can reap the benefits of photosynthesis in a very limited way for something im actively digesting.
Not really a point in getting into a semantic argument if you're just gonna come out swinging about being anti-science.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 274d
To put it simply, that slug basically absorb and keep the chloroplast in their own body and let it continue to photosynthesis, hence stealing the ability of the plant they feed, while in your example we basically digest it whole, leaving none of the chloroplast cell to photosynthesis.
That's a huge difference between this two organism, kinda silly to bring it up as an example, no? And technically, it's still the salad that does the photosynthesis in your example. You do know what's up, so not anti-science but trolling? Sealioning? Idk. But overall silly.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 273d
your stomach acid would probably dissolve it before it becomes useful.
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 274d
It uses the chloroplast as the algae uses them. It doesn’t really it them it uses them to photosynthesize. If you took the wing off the chicken and used it to fly you could say that was stealing its wing
ameancow@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 274d
mayorchid@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 274d
I would have gotten away with it, too, if not for you mean cows
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 274d
I'd say, yes, you are literally consuming your food to take anything of value that your body can extract from it, often at the cost of everything for the thing you're eating (but definitely at the cost of the parts you eat). Like I'm a bit baffled as to how you can consider it not a form of theft. Hell, I'd even argue it is the purest form of theft there is and quite likely the original theft that only scavengers, photosynthesizers, and other life forms that survive on non-biological sources of energy aren't thieves in that manner.
WolfLink@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 275d
This is a pokemon if I’ve ever seen one
BigDiction@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 275d
Water/Grass is pretty good defensive typing as well.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 273d
IvyTortle
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 274d
I was wondering why we didn't see any photosynthesizimg animals
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 274d
Bees (and relatives) do it too. If you need to deal with a wasp nest or something like that, do it at night and their defense will be much less enthusiastic.
When I last dealt with some, knocking down the (small) nests would have a guard harass me until I moved about 10m away from the nest during the day. At night, it would just buzz me a bit before settling back down to rest without me even moving.
Note that I'm not saying it's safe to harass a nest/hive at night, just safer than doing it during the day. The ones I dealt with were small enough that I only ever saw a single guard plus one worker, and even during the day, sometimes I'd just fight the one guard instead of running, since it's hard for a single wasp to sting you if you can track it decently and manage any fear. Trying to deal with a large nest could still be fatal at night.
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 273d
I'll add to this, sufficient artificial light will wake them up too. So don't point a big light at it in preparation for taking them out, because they'll take you out
Enceladus@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 274d
Is this the next Stelaris DLC?
RedAggroBest@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 274d
Next? Plantoids have been a thing for ages. And yea you can even be photosynthetic, makes your pops consume less food for more energy
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 274d
Cute!
Similar to leaf sheep
and sea bunnies
Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 275d
So satisfactory is real life?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 273d
this is sorta like how coral does it, and rare instance of jellyfish doing it too.
xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 273d
Cmiiw don't corals keep the algae alive instead of just keeping the chloroplast?
imgcat@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 273d
"stealing"?! Who wrote this garbage?
janus2@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 273d
toynbee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 275d
Much like potatoes!
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 274d
I see these little guys in the mangrove swamps down in Florida. Very quick
EpicMuch@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 274d
Just today watched a video about these little buggers :) https://youtu.be/IH_uv4h2xYM
SourGumGum@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 273d
So cute!
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 273d
Reminds me of the slugs from Satisfactory