That's your interpretation. The context is getting large boobs in a year of hormone therapy. The other person said that the typical 4chaner edgelord is overweight and thus shouldn't be so hard to get bigger boobs in a year.
The devaluating part of the term is "edgelord", not "overweight", you are for some reason bringing fat shaming into the convo when it's about edgelord shaming of overweight people.
Overweight is descriptive of people that are over the healthy weight/fat in body range. It is proven that being over the healthy range has increased risks of having health complications.
I am overweight. If you have over 25% of fat in body, you are overweight. If you have over 30, you are obese. I am obese right now. Working on it.
If you want to load stigma into terms you do you, but I am not.
Overweight is an adjective. It is absolutely not a fat shaming term. As a former fat kid I can attest there are far worse terms than being called "overweight" and I'm genuinely curious why you have such an issue with a non-issue word?
I definitely tried to be as absent minded about it all for the first year. Mentally things happen fast. Physically, if you are waiting to actually see something you'll go crazy. You have to pretend like nothing unusual is going on and boom 3 or 4 months go by and you actually notice the difference. I can't be the only one that did this.
I had a friend who took a photo every day. Can confirm, she went crazy. She has a really cool timelapse now though, which she says was almost worth the inordinate amount of mental anguish she caused herself.
I felt like they were doing shit for the first few months, kept taking them but I'd sorta given up expectations, year in suddenly I realize I have boobs
Mind, I'm autistic, have ocd, and a generally chaotic irl, I am not claiming to he normal
The best indicators are to look at your parents and siblings, then perhaps auncles and niblings/cousins. Primarily the femme ones.
Then take a cup size less (especially if you started after the first puberty). Following that logic I'd be looking at getting a D... so yay?
You could also factor in the masculine members by doubling/tripling what they would have, but that's more complicated. Best to just stick to your closest fem relatives for comparison.
YMMY, though. It's highly dependent and the best way is to have a bit extra fat when you start on E. Assuming you start with a healthy weight: cycle each week: eat more, then burn it when you eat a bit less and sport more. Fat redistribution will then go faster. Helps to squat too (for the hips, belly and legs).
Do you get your levels tested, I had really shit levels on oral/sublingual and got like 10x the breast growth on 6 months injections than several years of pills.
A forum that started about anime fandom where you post anonymously without any registration. It has really lax content policy and a wide variety of categories, so naturally it is a breeding ground for fringe politics and social movements as well as dank memes.
Legal disclaimer: diy hrt is always less safe than monitored and the legality varies. Back in my day back in my country you wouldn't get in trouble. Develop your risk profile before checking to see if your course of actions fits within it. I'd hate to get someone v coded. Also I've never done diy, I got the letter of recommendation from a therapist a decade ago.
I intentionally got an E prescription, but by the time the prescription was filled, dissociation made me feel like I was just a different person again and I was numb to the idea of taking them, so I was just taking it because the previous me thought I should. So I took it absentmindedly for a little bit (but that was only like days, not months).
Anyways, its 4chan, so obviously its fake and gayâ˘.
However, if you read every word, specifically, absentminded, it doesn't sound like the person that wrote this is trans or was taking estrogen with the intent of transitioning; I'm speculating and making inferences. (How the fuck someone absentmindedly takes a drug lends itself to the theory that the original author didn't have a doctor's prescription for it, but again, I am speculating.)
But yeah, there is nothing stopping someone that identifies as male from using estrogen. The author could have been taking something like spironolactone, which is an anti-androgen drug used to treat acne, which has a minor estrogen effect.
You don't have to be female or identify as female to be taking estrogen/estrogen like medications.
𫡠I figured you wanted a laugh at this thread+response (jovial @), not to argue whatsoever. I apologize if it read this wayđââď¸. Will keep it in mind next time.đŤĄ
The thing I am point out is that âboyâ isn't a pronoun, but, as Oxford dictionary states, a noun.
If Entertainmeonly is genuinely asking me why this baitshotđ¸ ruined our satirical setup, I pressume e would have worded the question differently. I am asking you how much of es post do you believe Entertainmeonlywas genuine, ignorant, or digressive?
You donât have to be female or identify as female to be taking estrogen/estrogen like medications.
Nowhere in this entire thread have pronouns been discussed until you brought them. Everything else you just wrote reads like fascist dogwhistles.
I, like most of us in this community are capable of reading something satirical. The 4trans poster failed miserably to engage us in satirizing our struggles to acquire gender care we need. Iâm sorry No. 34288121 didn't make us laugh, but I am not so sure why you brought pronouns to an inclusive intersecting community prouder to oblige.
Bit of a leap to assume that rather than just some shady âorder your overseas meds onlineâ site. Also, that really doesnât go with the whole âI had no idea that estrogen would do this to meâ thing.
Honestly, its not that hard to get a legit prescription in some places. I just had a short online appointment to get mine, which I scheduled the night before (I also did have to get bloodwork, but that was for the spiro, not the E). I did clicked a box when I signed up for the appointment saying I was an NB, so maybe a man would have to click something other than man to get the prescription?
I donât want to get too deep in the weeds here but there are a few things that we have to work around, chief problem being the storyâs narrator saying they didnât know what estrogen would do (it occurs to me it could be a tongue in cheek post by a trans person for lols? âOh, look, I grew boobs! Howâd that happen?â Dunno. AnywayâŚ), then expend the effort to find a way to get them and take the estrogenâŚbecause? I mean sure, thereâs always someone to find a way around getting something they maybe shouldnât, but I kinda hit a hard stop when someone says they regularly took pills and they didnât know what the result would be. Ymmv.
But was pretty surprised when my mom asked me like a year into me taking HRT if I knew HRT would change my body shape the way it did as if she had just learned about it and thought I would be surprised by the effects? Like... what did she think HRT was for? Since then, she's seem a lot more interested taking T though.
A great many people believe males and females are two different species, fundamentally different through some divinely appointed distinction deeper than science can penetrate. They don't realise how mechanical the world is, and how easy to change with the right understanding.
Oh no I accidentally asked my doctor to test my hormone levels and get me on Estodiol AND Tblockers, and then went to a followup appointment 3 months later then adjusted my dosage, and then took them for 9 more months.
Whoever wrote this didn't even research how HRT works XD
81 Comments
knightly@pawb.social · 146 pts · 281d
"Absentmindedly", like it was an accident?
C-cups in a year?
Such nonsense, very 4chan.
grahamja@reddthat.com · 63 pts · 281d
Seems pretty small for a sterotypical overweight internet edge lord.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 281d
Might have started with B cups. Might be fake
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 281d
Possible, I did that.
flora_explora@beehaw.org · 5 pts · 280d
What has their weight to do with it? Really no reason to fat-shame! :(
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 280d
For boobs? It helps. You never heard of fat boobs?
flora_explora@beehaw.org · 3 pts · 280d
Sure, although in most trans women not as much that C cups would be seen as small.
Anyways, that's not what the other person was talking about. They used specifically "overweight" as a term to devaluate someone.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 280d
That's your interpretation. The context is getting large boobs in a year of hormone therapy. The other person said that the typical 4chaner edgelord is overweight and thus shouldn't be so hard to get bigger boobs in a year.
The devaluating part of the term is "edgelord", not "overweight", you are for some reason bringing fat shaming into the convo when it's about edgelord shaming of overweight people.
flora_explora@beehaw.org · -1 pts · 280d
"Overweight" is a fat-shaming term in itself and it is loaded with social stigma and devaluation...
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 280d
Overweight is descriptive of people that are over the healthy weight/fat in body range. It is proven that being over the healthy range has increased risks of having health complications.
I am overweight. If you have over 25% of fat in body, you are overweight. If you have over 30, you are obese. I am obese right now. Working on it.
If you want to load stigma into terms you do you, but I am not.
OopsOverbombing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
Overweight is an adjective. It is absolutely not a fat shaming term. As a former fat kid I can attest there are far worse terms than being called "overweight" and I'm genuinely curious why you have such an issue with a non-issue word?
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 281d
I definitely tried to be as absent minded about it all for the first year. Mentally things happen fast. Physically, if you are waiting to actually see something you'll go crazy. You have to pretend like nothing unusual is going on and boom 3 or 4 months go by and you actually notice the difference. I can't be the only one that did this.
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net · 14 pts · 280d
I had a friend who took a photo every day. Can confirm, she went crazy. She has a really cool timelapse now though, which she says was almost worth the inordinate amount of mental anguish she caused herself.
IzzyJ@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 280d
I felt like they were doing shit for the first few months, kept taking them but I'd sorta given up expectations, year in suddenly I realize I have boobs
Mind, I'm autistic, have ocd, and a generally chaotic irl, I am not claiming to he normal
Triasha@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 280d
C cups sound big but on a trans woman they might not be. I got C cups in 6 months and you wouldn't know it to look at me.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 280d
Six months? Damn, you're speedrunning shit. I got the same, 7 months in.
Rn 8 months. Maybe it's because of the band width being wider, so the fat is more spread out. I got 80C in my case, so it's just about visible.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 8 pts · 280d
trade me your awesome genesđđ
knightly@pawb.social · 5 pts · 280d
For real, I've been on E for over two years and I'm just barely past an A-cup.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 280d
The best indicators are to look at your parents and siblings, then perhaps auncles and niblings/cousins. Primarily the femme ones.
Then take a cup size less (especially if you started after the first puberty). Following that logic I'd be looking at getting a D... so yay?
You could also factor in the masculine members by doubling/tripling what they would have, but that's more complicated. Best to just stick to your closest fem relatives for comparison.
YMMY, though. It's highly dependent and the best way is to have a bit extra fat when you start on E. Assuming you start with a healthy weight: cycle each week: eat more, then burn it when you eat a bit less and sport more. Fat redistribution will then go faster. Helps to squat too (for the hips, belly and legs).
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 2 pts · 280d
đ did I mention I am Japanese?
trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
Do you get your levels tested, I had really shit levels on oral/sublingual and got like 10x the breast growth on 6 months injections than several years of pills.
knightly@pawb.social · 2 pts · 280d
Yeah, I'm tested quarterly. The low E works for me 'cuz I'm nonbinary and prefer a mixed hormonal balance.
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 279d
Two years in and they're still testing every 3 months? Is that just the norm there?
knightly@pawb.social · 2 pts · 278d
It is, yeah. Or at least I think the state requires insurers to provide it as gender affirming care.
Triasha@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d
It's not what it sounds like, most people would guess I am an A cup.
OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 280d
I met a girl who has Ds at just over a year. I was so jealous. It isn't super common, but it happens. Genetics are weird.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 280d
What's 4chan?
mirshafie@europe.pub · 17 pts · 280d
A forum that started about anime fandom where you post anonymously without any registration. It has really lax content policy and a wide variety of categories, so naturally it is a breeding ground for fringe politics and social movements as well as dank memes.
I avoid it like the plague.
hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 278d
I had C cups at 4 months. Not implausible.
knightly@pawb.social · 2 pts · 278d
I'm deeply envious. XD
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 100 pts · 281d
moonshadow@slrpnk.net · 48 pts · 281d
Where I'm at, a lot of the weed dealers have shifted to E post-legalization. You love to see it
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 27 pts · 281d
To me this falls in the yes itâs a neat thing, no itâs depressing that it has to be done this way.
FreeAZ@sopuli.xyz · 36 pts · 281d
I'm pretty sure they're joking. E is slang for ecstasy, not estrogen.
moonshadow@slrpnk.net · 17 pts · 281d
Porque no los dos?
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 281d
Lmao. Oh. đ
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 281d
But also yeah I have had someone offer to go in on a bulk purchase of E with me before. It was even in a weed circle with people I barely knew
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 281d
Vanuatan pharmacies that deliver globally. In a lot of countries estrogen is gray market
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 18 pts · 281d
âAbsentmindedlyâŚâ
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 281d
Forcefemmed by their own subconsciousâŚ
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 6 pts · 280d
Then it'd: âSubconsciously.â
Shadow_Glider@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 279d
Could you perhaps link to these? For research purposes ofc
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d
Search inhousepharmacy. Here's a list of places I found but haven't vetted. Worst case here's a diy approach I've never tried.
Legal disclaimer: diy hrt is always less safe than monitored and the legality varies. Back in my day back in my country you wouldn't get in trouble. Develop your risk profile before checking to see if your course of actions fits within it. I'd hate to get someone v coded. Also I've never done diy, I got the letter of recommendation from a therapist a decade ago.
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 281d
Absent-minded =/= accidentally
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 280d
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 280d
I intentionally got an E prescription, but by the time the prescription was filled, dissociation made me feel like I was just a different person again and I was numb to the idea of taking them, so I was just taking it because the previous me thought I should. So I took it absentmindedly for a little bit (but that was only like days, not months).
Anyways, its 4chan, so obviously its fake and gayâ˘.
django@discuss.tchncs.de · 79 pts · 281d
Half way done, might as well finish the job.
fonix232@fedia.io · 75 pts · 281d
Why? Why not leave the combo deal?
Titties? Awesome.
Dicks? Also awesome.
There's nothing to finish, OOP is perfect as-is.
django@discuss.tchncs.de · 36 pts · 281d
Absolutely valid point, take my upvote. đ
apotheotic@beehaw.org · 11 pts · 281d
Keep the dick, add a neovagina. Peak.
SantasMagicalComfort@piefed.world · 5 pts · 281d
Dream woman right there.
knightly@pawb.social · 8 pts · 281d
Dream surgery right there, in that I'm never gonna be able to afford that. =/
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 281d
đľ real
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
Some in the alt-sex community already did that.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 280d
Or remove dick, no other changes. Just have a straight up cloaca.
de_lancre@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 280d
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 281d
No they're on 4chan
fonix232@fedia.io · 5 pts · 281d
TouchĂŠ
Saapas@piefed.zip · 12 pts · 281d
So you want them to get E cups?
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 280d
I think they prefer a good solid ZZ top.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 280d
102 ZZZ Is actually the biggest naturally attested.
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 39 pts · 281d
C? In a yearđ no fair
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 32 pts · 281d
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 281d
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 2 pts · 280d
@Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca satire reply, or another live one, you decide.
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 280d
Don't go dragging me into your online arguments.
However, if you read every word, specifically, absentminded, it doesn't sound like the person that wrote this is trans or was taking estrogen with the intent of transitioning; I'm speculating and making inferences. (How the fuck someone absentmindedly takes a drug lends itself to the theory that the original author didn't have a doctor's prescription for it, but again, I am speculating.)
But yeah, there is nothing stopping someone that identifies as male from using estrogen. The author could have been taking something like spironolactone, which is an anti-androgen drug used to treat acne, which has a minor estrogen effect.
You don't have to be female or identify as female to be taking estrogen/estrogen like medications.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 4 pts · 280d
𫡠I figured you wanted a laugh at this thread+response (jovial @), not to argue whatsoever. I apologize if it read this wayđââď¸. Will keep it in mind next time.đŤĄ
The thing I am point out is that âboyâ isn't a pronoun, but, as Oxford dictionary states, a noun.
If
Entertainmeonlyis genuinely asking me why this baitshotđ¸ ruined our satirical setup, I pressume e would have worded the question differently. I am asking you how much of es post do you believeEntertainmeonlywas genuine, ignorant, or digressive?Avow, respect, and honor.đââď¸
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 280d
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 3 pts · 280d
Nowhere in this entire thread have pronouns been discussed until you brought them. Everything else you just wrote reads like fascist dogwhistles.
I, like most of us in this community are capable of reading something satirical. The 4trans poster failed miserably to engage us in satirizing our struggles to acquire gender care we need. Iâm sorry No. 34288121 didn't make us laugh, but I am not so sure why you brought pronouns to an inclusive intersecting community prouder to oblige.
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 280d
webp@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 280d
Boy isn't a pronoun
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 25 pts · 280d
Hmmm yes, average "straight" "male" on 4chan
Fake and gay
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 281d
Same as transmasc people do - mastectomy
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 280d
Lol, because scripts for estrogen are so easy to come by as a man.
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 280d
DIY
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
Bit of a leap to assume that rather than just some shady âorder your overseas meds onlineâ site. Also, that really doesnât go with the whole âI had no idea that estrogen would do this to meâ thing.
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 280d
That's often how diy works, yes
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 280d
Don't you hate it when you accidentally spend a year on E?
ICastFist@programming.dev · 2 pts · 280d
They sure are, I bet the fake and gay anon got it from his favorite cereal enriched with 100g of estrogen!
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 279d
Honestly, its not that hard to get a legit prescription in some places. I just had a short online appointment to get mine, which I scheduled the night before (I also did have to get bloodwork, but that was for the spiro, not the E). I did clicked a box when I signed up for the appointment saying I was an NB, so maybe a man would have to click something other than man to get the prescription?
Might even have been easier than getting it diy.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d
I donât want to get too deep in the weeds here but there are a few things that we have to work around, chief problem being the storyâs narrator saying they didnât know what estrogen would do (it occurs to me it could be a tongue in cheek post by a trans person for lols? âOh, look, I grew boobs! Howâd that happen?â Dunno. AnywayâŚ), then expend the effort to find a way to get them and take the estrogenâŚbecause? I mean sure, thereâs always someone to find a way around getting something they maybe shouldnât, but I kinda hit a hard stop when someone says they regularly took pills and they didnât know what the result would be. Ymmv.
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 279d
I'm sure its just a "still cis tho" joke.
But was pretty surprised when my mom asked me like a year into me taking HRT if I knew HRT would change my body shape the way it did as if she had just learned about it and thought I would be surprised by the effects? Like... what did she think HRT was for? Since then, she's seem a lot more interested taking T though.
JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 273d
A great many people believe males and females are two different species, fundamentally different through some divinely appointed distinction deeper than science can penetrate. They don't realise how mechanical the world is, and how easy to change with the right understanding.
MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 281d
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 281d
Oh no I accidentally asked my doctor to test my hormone levels and get me on Estodiol AND Tblockers, and then went to a followup appointment 3 months later then adjusted my dosage, and then took them for 9 more months.
Whoever wrote this didn't even research how HRT works XD