In a brief order, the conservative majority argued, among other things, that the District Court had intervened to block the maps too close to next year’s midterm election.
Eleven months away is too close to the next election for these clowns.
Dont forget 9 months is too close to an election to approve a supreme court justice nomination, unless the president is Republican and then less than a month is plenty of time
But wouldn't the opposite be true? Changing the maps too close to the election is a problem. "Keeping them the same too close to the election" makes no sense.
Fellow being, this particular mask has been off ever since Donny the Destroyer appointed his cronies to be SCOTUS judges - "too close" to the election, btw.
No no, dont even give it that much dignity.
The complainants are not asking to "block the map" too close (11 months) to elections. They are asking that the map not be illicit, unethically changed 5 years early, based off the explicit public request of the President who is not meant to have power over state election matters, with the explicitly stated intent of gerrymandering out more seats for Republicans that they "deserve" than they otherwise would have won, only 15ish months to the elections (which is apparently plenty of time). Their "reasoning" doesn't make sense because it's not reasoning. It's blatant full chested support of voter suppression/disenfranchisement to bolster their party and their autocratic President. They're so full of shit you could smell them talking from the next room over. Fuck those lying, cheating, corrupt, un-American, fascist cunts.
Does it even fucking matter at this point? There will be zero repercussions for the blatant disregard for the law to serve the authoritarian regime so they can say whatever they want
Unfortunately, not paying taxes isn't really an option. If there's one thing the government enjoys doing and does well is collect taxes, regardless of how failed that government is. The broken government is more likely to be extra shitty on the penalty though, unless you're rich of course, in which case you don't have to pay taxes.
I'm constantly questioning my sanity because everyone pretends the Untied States is still a functional, stable country. I know Canadians still choosing to live part time in the Untied States. Are they that unaware? Do they just not care? Even if they don't care about other people, they should be questioning their own safety as non-citizens in Trump's America. Why are so many people still acting like everything is normal?
I 100% blame the Democratic party for this. They've been assisting the Republicans in their efforts to create this court for the last 40 years. Thomas should never have been confirmed to the court and Ruth Bader Ginsberg hung on at a time when she should have left while the "liberal" dems controlled both the presidency and the Senate and could easily have replaced her with a(n at least mostly) liberal justice.
I would still place some blame on Republicans for insisting on nominating sexual offenders, corrupt pieces of shit, etc. Yes the Dems should have done more to stop them, but i think the GOP should bear some responsibility for being sociopaths
The more I learn about things like this, the more I start to think that any quorum-based governance (e.g. democracy) is not just a scheme to balance radical differences of opinion, but to average out adverse and dysfunctional psychology. This, of course, has broken down somewhat, due to forces that keep selecting for more psycopathy than not.
Blaming Republicans is like blaming a wolf for eating a chicken. It's in their nature, it's what they do. So no, I'm going to blame the farmer for allowing the wolf into the chicken coop in the first place.
Don’t blame the murderer, it’s just in their nature. Hmmm…. Pretty shit take TBH. Dems are chickenshit fail lovers, but let’s be real. The reason the SC is loaded with these scumbags is due to Republicans, Bitch McTurtle, and the Fed Soc.
Yeah, and 70% of the country feels the same. Yet these asshats are the ones in charge. Why is that? The Democrats haven't truly fought to take or even keep a seat from Republicans yet they will move heaven and earth to keep a progressive out of any chance of running.
It’s also frustrating that they let a seat be stolen.
McConnell invents a rule out of whole cloth and blocks an appointment.
The Dems could have played hard ball, they could have gone with the line that the senate was fulfilling its role of advising and consenting by not holding a vote. They want it to be read as a rejection, make them hold a vote, say that no vote means they are fine with it.
Republicans exceed their powers every time they have them to reshape this country to their vision. Democrats refuse to use the full scope of their power to accomplish anything.
With the benefit of hindsight we know RBJ should have stepped down sooner, but realistically the last opportunity was in 2014. Blaming her (and the democrats) entirely, but not blaming the republicians who blocked Obama's nomination is like blaming an abuse survivor for what happened to them, and not the abuser.
I obviously disagree with this ruling, but if they were to rule the opposite on California, the absolute sheer corruptness would be undeniable. And worthily of drastic and dramatic action on our (the citizens) part.
Citizens wouldn't even vote in their own interest, and now it's too late. I'm convinced tens of millions of Americans will die quietly before even one stands up.
I'm inclined to agree, but I've seen signs of potential unrest.
A household that has been decades gun free just got their sixth gun this year and a lot of ammo. Specifically citing a potential to stand their ground or die trying. We are talking about people who have lived 60 years without so much as a traffic ticket, never protesting anything, generally going along with things, now they they armed for talking a stand.
Another mild mannered colleague that has been super peaceful and moderate is similarly talking about how "we" might have to violently fight. No idea what prep he might do, but his was the last voice I expected to hear say that.
If people I've known to be very even keeled and moderate for decades are getting this close, I can't imagine how close others are...
I suppose we've been seeing the cracks start with two attempted trump assassinations and the Charlie Kirk assassination...
Their sheer corruptness is already undeniable. The six right wing hacks regularly make decisions that are blatantly and obviously unconstitutional and write nonsense opinions to justify them. They openly accept huge bribes from those impacted by their decisions and then rule in their favor. If the GOP gave a damn about the rule of law and the Constitution they would have been impeached long ago.
We should start calling it Robertsmander rather than Gerrymander from now on. If having no shame while he's living has no effect, then the best he deserves is his name being tarnished and synonymous with corruption for hundreds of years.
If it's too close to the election they need to approve a bill through legislature that changes need to happen before a specific number of days before an election, otherwise they are just legislating from the bench pretending it's legal. Which is obviously the case here because they can't argue justifications for their racist bullshit in an open forum. "The government can break the law whenever it wants, what are you going to do about it" seems to be the SC opinion here.
Redistricting unrelated to a change in the number of seats should be banned.
But if we are going to allow them, they should not be allowed to take effect until the following election cycle. This would give the court time to review the maps as well as allow the voters to have input prior to the change.
Its a hard thing to come to terms with. Families are split in two. To take up arms means we are doing it against our own family members. In my case it would be my father and brother.
Sowing community and peeling undecideds, Sabotaging, undermining, informing, rearing confusion and exploiting divisions that exist within the power structure, encouraging idleness in the enemy even.
The enemies of fascism and ways to resist it are myriad. And yet you can only imagine a sword to meet a sword.
And frankly; there's no faster road to that gulag. Or more likely an abrupt meaningless death that accomplishes nothing.
Rage and cast aspersions from your safe nest, blame anyone who hasn't given up on everyone that's on the other side. Reduce the work of ages to a simple numbers game. Throw away every weapon that seems too complex or involved, deny all clemency and revoke the rights of others to offer it.
Surely that's what we need. Another great war will kill the demon.
The way that special election in Tennessee went, instead of picking up five seats, they're liable to only be left with five seats (after all, you can't grab more districts without weakening your hold on others).
Of course. It was a given that that was what they were going to do, because they're entirely corrupt and compromised, entirely without integrity, principles, honor or legitimacy and driven solely by a determination to serve the interests of Trump and the oligarchs.
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ryper@lemmy.ca · 182 pts · 243d
Eleven months away is too close to the next election for these clowns.
silence7@slrpnk.net · 112 pts · 243d
The decision has nothing to do with their stated reasons; they are in favor of racism, but don't want to say so
RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
No. They are not in favor of racism.
They are in favor of feudalism.
CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one · 65 pts · 243d
It's obvious bullshit. If anything that logic would uphold the stay.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 243d
Same bullshit that Mitch McConnell claimed why Obama couldn't appoint a Supreme Court justice fuck this illegmeaite Supreme Court.
TacoSocks@infosec.pub · 13 pts · 242d
And then did a speed run to install a Supreme Court Justice like 45 days before an election under Trump.
MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 242d
8 days. For real. She was confirmed 8 days before election day.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Yep hypocrites.
HocEnimVeni@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 243d
Dont forget 9 months is too close to an election to approve a supreme court justice nomination, unless the president is Republican and then less than a month is plenty of time
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 243d
Election was already underway. There were already absentee balls cast ousting him from office when they approved his nomination
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 39 pts · 243d
Fuck that shit. They use this argument whenever it suits them. And what suits this fascist admin, suits the SCOTUS.
Didn't Trump himself appoint SCOTUS judges "too close" to the election? Clowns.
Thebular@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 242d
Barrett, for starters. Nominated 38 days prior to the 2020 election, and confirmed just 8 days prior.
LordCrom@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 242d
Remember, GOP blocked Obamas nomination for Judge because "its too close to an election and voters should decide"... McConnel, head of the hypocrites.
lukaro@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 242d
You say that as if you expect republicans to have any sort of integrity, when they have shown time and time again they have zero integrity.
akilou@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 243d
But wouldn't the opposite be true? Changing the maps too close to the election is a problem. "Keeping them the same too close to the election" makes no sense.
credo@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 243d
Texas passed their new maps on August 29th. On November 18 the district court ordered them to revert to their previous maps.
Apparently the SC’s Republican cult members think this will be too difficult for Texas?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 243d
They've already gutted the VRA. This is reaffirming the decision.
themeatbridge@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 243d
The mask is off.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 9 pts · 243d
Fellow being, this particular mask has been off ever since Donny the Destroyer appointed his cronies to be SCOTUS judges - "too close" to the election, btw.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 243d
No no, dont even give it that much dignity. The complainants are not asking to "block the map" too close (11 months) to elections. They are asking that the map not be illicit, unethically changed 5 years early, based off the explicit public request of the President who is not meant to have power over state election matters, with the explicitly stated intent of gerrymandering out more seats for Republicans that they "deserve" than they otherwise would have won, only 15ish months to the elections (which is apparently plenty of time). Their "reasoning" doesn't make sense because it's not reasoning. It's blatant full chested support of voter suppression/disenfranchisement to bolster their party and their autocratic President. They're so full of shit you could smell them talking from the next room over. Fuck those lying, cheating, corrupt, un-American, fascist cunts.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 242d
Given the midterms are every two years, 12 months is the furthest you can get from an election on either side
howl2@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 240d
Especially since the maps were drawn up new a month ago. Or should I read more carefully?
devolution@lemmy.world · 106 pts · 243d
Of course they did. Now let's see their rationale for overturning Californias.
Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de · 64 pts · 243d
It's too close to the election to not do it
DokPsy@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 243d
Does it even fucking matter at this point? There will be zero repercussions for the blatant disregard for the law to serve the authoritarian regime so they can say whatever they want
BertramDitore@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 243d
Yeah, for real. Let’s hope the Majestic Imperious High Court deigns to grace us with any explanation. They love their emergency docket…
Vorticity@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 242d
Here's the fun part. They'll use the shadow docket and won't give any rationale.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 7 pts · 243d
If that happens, nations around the globe should really wake up to the threat coming from the USA.
...oh, who am I kidding...
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 72 pts · 243d
At what point can I stop pretending we have a functioning government?
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 243d
At least 11 years ago.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 243d
Damn, guess I shouldn’t have been paying my taxes.
Guess that’s just the violence inherent in the system.
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 243d
Unfortunately, not paying taxes isn't really an option. If there's one thing the government enjoys doing and does well is collect taxes, regardless of how failed that government is. The broken government is more likely to be extra shitty on the penalty though, unless you're rich of course, in which case you don't have to pay taxes.
sudo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 243d
I_Jedi@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 242d
Well, then they'll just send some cops to your place, beat you within an inch of your life, and demand the protection money.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Government is a racket
DrDickHandler@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 243d
It functions pretty well at enriching a select few corporations and wealthy elites.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 242d
I'm constantly questioning my sanity because everyone pretends the Untied States is still a functional, stable country. I know Canadians still choosing to live part time in the Untied States. Are they that unaware? Do they just not care? Even if they don't care about other people, they should be questioning their own safety as non-citizens in Trump's America. Why are so many people still acting like everything is normal?
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 242d
Since the founding of the country.
iambatman1469@ttrpg.network · 1 pts · 242d
yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 64 pts · 242d
The Supreme Kangaroo Court of the United States strikes again.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 242d
I 100% blame the Democratic party for this. They've been assisting the Republicans in their efforts to create this court for the last 40 years. Thomas should never have been confirmed to the court and Ruth Bader Ginsberg hung on at a time when she should have left while the "liberal" dems controlled both the presidency and the Senate and could easily have replaced her with a(n at least mostly) liberal justice.
frunch@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 242d
I would still place some blame on Republicans for insisting on nominating sexual offenders, corrupt pieces of shit, etc. Yes the Dems should have done more to stop them, but i think the GOP should bear some responsibility for being sociopaths
yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 242d
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
The more I learn about things like this, the more I start to think that any quorum-based governance (e.g. democracy) is not just a scheme to balance radical differences of opinion, but to average out adverse and dysfunctional psychology. This, of course, has broken down somewhat, due to forces that keep selecting for more psycopathy than not.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 242d
Blaming Republicans is like blaming a wolf for eating a chicken. It's in their nature, it's what they do. So no, I'm going to blame the farmer for allowing the wolf into the chicken coop in the first place.
TheGoldenV@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 242d
Don’t blame the murderer, it’s just in their nature. Hmmm…. Pretty shit take TBH. Dems are chickenshit fail lovers, but let’s be real. The reason the SC is loaded with these scumbags is due to Republicans, Bitch McTurtle, and the Fed Soc.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Yeah, and 70% of the country feels the same. Yet these asshats are the ones in charge. Why is that? The Democrats haven't truly fought to take or even keep a seat from Republicans yet they will move heaven and earth to keep a progressive out of any chance of running.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 242d
This is such a dumb take.
immutable@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 242d
It’s also frustrating that they let a seat be stolen.
McConnell invents a rule out of whole cloth and blocks an appointment.
The Dems could have played hard ball, they could have gone with the line that the senate was fulfilling its role of advising and consenting by not holding a vote. They want it to be read as a rejection, make them hold a vote, say that no vote means they are fine with it.
Republicans exceed their powers every time they have them to reshape this country to their vision. Democrats refuse to use the full scope of their power to accomplish anything.
Repeat ad nauseam.
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 242d
With the benefit of hindsight we know RBJ should have stepped down sooner, but realistically the last opportunity was in 2014. Blaming her (and the democrats) entirely, but not blaming the republicians who blocked Obama's nomination is like blaming an abuse survivor for what happened to them, and not the abuser.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 242d
She died in 2020 of old age. How much foresight do you fucking need. She should have stepped down and a lot of people were telling her that.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 242d
The Supreme Clownshow
spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works · 55 pts · 243d
Exactly as expected. Next they'll find that California's redistricting is unconstitutional.
blitzen@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 243d
I obviously disagree with this ruling, but if they were to rule the opposite on California, the absolute sheer corruptness would be undeniable. And worthily of drastic and dramatic action on our (the citizens) part.
baronvonj@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 243d
The corruption is already undeniable.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 243d
Okay but then it'll be double plus undeniable. People will definitely do something in response. You'll see.
bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 243d
Citizens wouldn't even vote in their own interest, and now it's too late. I'm convinced tens of millions of Americans will die quietly before even one stands up.
blitzen@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 243d
I agree.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
I'm inclined to agree, but I've seen signs of potential unrest.
A household that has been decades gun free just got their sixth gun this year and a lot of ammo. Specifically citing a potential to stand their ground or die trying. We are talking about people who have lived 60 years without so much as a traffic ticket, never protesting anything, generally going along with things, now they they armed for talking a stand.
Another mild mannered colleague that has been super peaceful and moderate is similarly talking about how "we" might have to violently fight. No idea what prep he might do, but his was the last voice I expected to hear say that.
If people I've known to be very even keeled and moderate for decades are getting this close, I can't imagine how close others are...
I suppose we've been seeing the cracks start with two attempted trump assassinations and the Charlie Kirk assassination...
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 242d
I wonder how all the sanctimonious fucks who wouldn't vote because of the Israel situation are feeling now
spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 243d
Their sheer corruptness is already undeniable. The six right wing hacks regularly make decisions that are blatantly and obviously unconstitutional and write nonsense opinions to justify them. They openly accept huge bribes from those impacted by their decisions and then rule in their favor. If the GOP gave a damn about the rule of law and the Constitution they would have been impeached long ago.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 242d
Good. Now what the fuck is going to be done about it?
_wizard@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 243d
I'm here for the dramatic action.
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 243d
We should start calling it Robertsmander rather than Gerrymander from now on. If having no shame while he's living has no effect, then the best he deserves is his name being tarnished and synonymous with corruption for hundreds of years.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 242d
They are Robertsmadering
It's heavily Robertsmandered
They want to Robertsmander everything
UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 242d
Saying this in my head makes my head and my jaw hurt for some reason. I think I'll just stick with gerrymander.
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 242d
Still should find some way to immortalize his name and the corruption he's allowing in the SC.
heydo@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 243d
Feels like we need to have a Get the Fuck Out protest.
DrDickHandler@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 243d
That's very cute of you, however, fascism is there to stay.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 242d
It's a very confusing time for those who escape dictatorships... and then ended up here with these shenganigans...
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 241d
Racist and brazenly illegal gerrymandered house maps.
The US is a corrupt, backward third world shit hole.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 242d
If it's too close to the election they need to approve a bill through legislature that changes need to happen before a specific number of days before an election, otherwise they are just legislating from the bench pretending it's legal. Which is obviously the case here because they can't argue justifications for their racist bullshit in an open forum. "The government can break the law whenever it wants, what are you going to do about it" seems to be the SC opinion here.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 242d
Redistricting unrelated to a change in the number of seats should be banned.
But if we are going to allow them, they should not be allowed to take effect until the following election cycle. This would give the court time to review the maps as well as allow the voters to have input prior to the change.
molestme247@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 243d
Is it supper time yet?
newthrowaway20@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 243d
Crime is legal.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 3 pts · 243d
Simple as that.
winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 242d
If you're rich
regedit@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 242d
Crime is legal if you're rich and/or Republican.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 242d
This is why America can't have nice things
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 242d
Those three guys probably have more in common with each other than with 99% of the population.
Skiluros@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 243d
Fascinating stuff! It's like russia with extra steps and a gigantic amount of comical ostentatious posturing about freedoms and liberty.
Americans do love their theatrics!
Aqarius@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 242d
"Wow, this is just like Foreignistan!"
Skiluros@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 242d
Excuse me? What's that got to do with what I said?
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 242d
Every day MAGA trash feels safe leaving their homes is a day the rest of you show your cowardice, America
superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 242d
Its a hard thing to come to terms with. Families are split in two. To take up arms means we are doing it against our own family members. In my case it would be my father and brother.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 242d
Your father and brother are Nazis.
If they aren’t afraid of you, you’re a coward or you’re complicit. There isn’t any grey area with fascism.
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
Ah yes fear and division.
The natural enemy of fascism.
tragicinfo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Yep those are the only options.
Prove yourself an enemy or sit idle.
A profound lack of nuance.
Sowing community and peeling undecideds, Sabotaging, undermining, informing, rearing confusion and exploiting divisions that exist within the power structure, encouraging idleness in the enemy even.
The enemies of fascism and ways to resist it are myriad. And yet you can only imagine a sword to meet a sword.
And frankly; there's no faster road to that gulag. Or more likely an abrupt meaningless death that accomplishes nothing.
Rage and cast aspersions from your safe nest, blame anyone who hasn't given up on everyone that's on the other side. Reduce the work of ages to a simple numbers game. Throw away every weapon that seems too complex or involved, deny all clemency and revoke the rights of others to offer it.
Surely that's what we need. Another great war will kill the demon.
tragicinfo@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 242d
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
I accept your surrender.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Stop giving such shit advice, you sound like a maga
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 243d
Agreed! It's MUCH too Close to an Election to Make Changes!
-The Supreme Court Justice who was appointed AFTER people ALREADY Voted!
PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 243d
Everything is shitty and terrible and we’re not even a year in. :(
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 242d
If only there had been some kind of warning this would happen!
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 243d
When mom says no, just ask dad.
meeeeetch@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 243d
The way that special election in Tennessee went, instead of picking up five seats, they're liable to only be left with five seats (after all, you can't grab more districts without weakening your hold on others).
culprit@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 243d
Hubris leading to a failure, not unlikely outcome.
WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 243d
Of course. It was a given that that was what they were going to do, because they're entirely corrupt and compromised, entirely without integrity, principles, honor or legitimacy and driven solely by a determination to serve the interests of Trump and the oligarchs.
Linktank@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 242d
Nothing will meaningfully improve until.. yadda yadda!
X@piefed.world · 3 pts · 243d
What, Texas doing Texas shit? No fuckin way!
TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 243d