My favourite one (it happens a lot in the UK and I assume in other places too) is when people say things like "I support the cause but the protest is really disruptive."
Like no shit, that's the entire point of a protest. They also sometimes complain about strikes being inconvenient for them. Oh, is this strike illustrating to you why this service is essential and it would be bad if it went away?
One time when I used to be on reddit I had an argument with someone who was against a climate protest because it could have blocked an ambulance and gotten someone killed. But this was after the protest had already happened and that had not occurred. So you don't support it because of a hypothetical disaster that you just made up, that already didn't happen? People, man
It's a bad argument anyway, since street-blocking protest crowds almost always part to allow an ambulance through. If an ambulance is stopped, it's usually the cops blocking it.
The only protest that intentionally blocked emergency services I can think of was the antivaxxer "freedom convoy" protests.
But when you ask a random lib to think of a protest blocking emergency services they'll blurt out something about climate/workers/BLM/Palestine/etc. Talk about the freedom convoy and they'll get holier than thou about how unfairly those widdle science denwying fwascists got treated by the police when any Leftist protest ever was treated 100x worse.
Got into an argument with a neo-liberal who was happy the rail strikes were over without much going to the workers. I asked them if they felt any worker solidarity and they said no outright. There's people who just don't care about you at all as long as they get theirs.
Related, in Star Wars lore, Tarkin got promoted (in the late Republic) after landing a ship on top of a crowd of protesters where were blocking the spaceport on Ghorman.
It's like that old meme about how Luke is a desert farmer who is given weapons and radicalized by a bearded man in a cave, then goes off to a militia training camp and eventually blows up a government installation.
The thing is that the rebels were (mostly) white, and removing the racial lens allowed Americans to see that a struggle like that of colonized people against their oppressors was obviously correct. But it also means they can't connect the rebels to real world conflicts, because the oppressed people are generally not white, and so it's understood through a racial lens.
The only halfway-decent treatment I’ve seen in Western media to date was the Cylon occupation of New Caprica in the 2004 Battlerstar Galactica TV series. It was basically the US occupation of Iraq, except the “us” were the occupied insurgents and the “them” were the occupiers.
O I'm not allowed to comment, as your admins/mods just remove posts and allow propaganda links to exist. So yea at this point I just laugh at you tankies, you're just powerless authoritarians at this point.
This retort unfortunately never works, because they’ve only ever heard lies about Russia’s
motivations and desired outcomes—falsehoods about what Russia would consider to be “winning.”
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CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 59 pts · 254d
My favourite one (it happens a lot in the UK and I assume in other places too) is when people say things like "I support the cause but the protest is really disruptive."
Like no shit, that's the entire point of a protest. They also sometimes complain about strikes being inconvenient for them. Oh, is this strike illustrating to you why this service is essential and it would be bad if it went away?
One time when I used to be on reddit I had an argument with someone who was against a climate protest because it could have blocked an ambulance and gotten someone killed. But this was after the protest had already happened and that had not occurred. So you don't support it because of a hypothetical disaster that you just made up, that already didn't happen? People, man
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 23 pts · 254d
And then they cheer at the truck protest, that blocks the roads and is being disruptive.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 254d
It's a bad argument anyway, since street-blocking protest crowds almost always part to allow an ambulance through. If an ambulance is stopped, it's usually the cops blocking it.
HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 254d
The only protest that intentionally blocked emergency services I can think of was the antivaxxer "freedom convoy" protests.
But when you ask a random lib to think of a protest blocking emergency services they'll blurt out something about climate/workers/BLM/Palestine/etc. Talk about the freedom convoy and they'll get holier than thou about how unfairly those widdle science denwying fwascists got treated by the police when any Leftist protest ever was treated 100x worse.
davel@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 254d
I’ve never seen ambulances or fire trucks intentionally blocked, and I’ve often seen protest organizers plan ahead for ambulance & fire access.
SirQuack@feddit.nl · 6 pts · 254d
They should, the point is to cause a nuisance and force people to listen. The point is not to endanger random people.
HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 254d
I swear I was in the same argument battling the same bullshit!
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 253d
Got into an argument with a neo-liberal who was happy the rail strikes were over without much going to the workers. I asked them if they felt any worker solidarity and they said no outright. There's people who just don't care about you at all as long as they get theirs.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 253d
Related, in Star Wars lore, Tarkin got promoted (in the late Republic) after landing a ship on top of a crowd of protesters where were blocking the spaceport on Ghorman.
Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 253d
Very well put.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 49 pts · 254d
The worst is when they compare the DNC to the rebels, when Lucas himself said the rebels were basically the Viet Cong.
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 28 pts · 254d
It's like that old meme about how Luke is a desert farmer who is given weapons and radicalized by a bearded man in a cave, then goes off to a militia training camp and eventually blows up a government installation.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 254d
Yep, that's literally what it is.
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 254d
I've literally never noticed before that Obi-Wan had a beard.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 254d
Libs think Trump vs. Harris was like Leia vs Darth Vader when in reality it was more like Darth Vader vs Palpatine.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 254d
Bingo.
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 254d
this seemed too fantastical so i had to look it up and even gemini says so. lol
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 254d
Yep, he said it on camera. Even said he was jealous of the soviet filmmakers for not being beholden to the profit motive.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 254d
Anything to cope, and bury rebellion assent
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 253d
When progress and socialism is on the rise, libs will side with the fascists to stop its rise. Even so called moderates are to impede with progress.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 253d
Liberalism and fascism are rooted in the same base characteristics, after all.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 253d
Indeed. The only real difference is the smile on the face of the liberal as they step on your head as you're drowning.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 254d
The thing is that the rebels were (mostly) white, and removing the racial lens allowed Americans to see that a struggle like that of colonized people against their oppressors was obviously correct. But it also means they can't connect the rebels to real world conflicts, because the oppressed people are generally not white, and so it's understood through a racial lens.
davel@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 254d
Deeply unserious people.
davel@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 254d
The only halfway-decent treatment I’ve seen in Western media to date was the Cylon occupation of New Caprica in the 2004 Battlerstar Galactica TV series. It was basically the US occupation of Iraq, except the “us” were the occupied insurgents and the “them” were the occupiers.
AlexLost@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 253d
If you want to get real into it, the "humans" were also really worried because "they" could act, look, and sound like us?! The horror!!!
yucandu@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 254d
How about Easterners? Every foreign rebellion is a fight against pure evil, whereas every domestic rebellion is backed by capitalism?
Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org · 13 pts · 254d
*imperialism
Most rebellions against western attacks seem not to be for socialism or against capitalism.
But, the imperialism is due to capitalism and seems like a natural extension, so in a way, yes too
yucandu@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 254d
I'm saying this isn't a "western" thing. Take the Hong Kong rebellion, for example. Unless you actually believe China is socialist...
davel@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 254d
You fell for it again, I’m afraid. Previously:
This happens time and again: The blueprint of regime change operations - How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent
Rothe@piefed.social · -4 pts · 254d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 254d
No they aren't correct, and they didn't respond with facts, just vague posturing. The Marxists responded with facts and sources.
SupraMario@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 253d
ROFL... ahahaha fucking rich.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 253d
Is "nuh uh" something that works in your personal life?
SupraMario@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 253d
O I'm not allowed to comment, as your admins/mods just remove posts and allow propaganda links to exist. So yea at this point I just laugh at you tankies, you're just powerless authoritarians at this point.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 253d
In what way?
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 254d
Hey quick question, who is winning the war in Ukraine?
davel@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 254d
This retort unfortunately never works, because they’ve only ever heard lies about Russia’s motivations and desired outcomes—falsehoods about what Russia would consider to be “winning.”
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 254d
oh look another opinion over from lobotomy.world