Selfishness is not a historical necessity of human nature, but rather one component of human nature as it exists in the current historical moment, shaped by current sociological, religious, political, and economic structures.
Attributing selfishness as an inherent part of human nature and letting that underpin your misanthropy is wrong on two accounts:
You've taken a postion of idealism, a philosophy which has viciously been made obsolete for over 100 years.
You've expressed a problem, humanity and its selfishness, but have no solution to your problem besides an idea: hatred against humanity. A problem without a solution is useless. You've let your hatred make you impotent.
I suggest you do some reading to better understand the idea of human nature.
A favorite of mine is Elementary Principles of Philosophy.
You've suggested that selfishness is a universal aspect of human nature.
I suggested that selfishness is not a universal aspect of human nature, but instead a result of the intra-actions between human beings and political systems as they currently exist.
Explain how it is I, and not you, who is the ideologue in this situation.
Step 0: Choose to click on a thread in a .ml community when you clearly hate us. The socialism community no less when you clearly don't intend on learning about socialism.
Step 1: Make a claim with no justification because "obviously it should be obvious to anyone."
Step 2: Someone disagrees, provides a detailed justification complete with sources.
Step 3: Resort to ad hominem name calling. Complain about the instance that you chose to click and comment on.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Reassure yourself that your ideology is the correct one and everyone else is wrong.
You've just demonstrated the biggest reason everyone hates people lol. We hate people because people act like you as soon as they disagree on something. Zero attempt to learn from others or even defend your own opinions that you feel so strongly about, just "fuck you and everyone who agrees with you if you don't tell me I'm absolutely right."
Also, just curious, do you also hate yourself when you say you hate "people?" Or is everyone else the problem and you're the only good person in your mind?
23 Comments
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 253d
It can be both.
Etterra@discuss.online · 1 pts · 253d
A man can hate two things.
Saapas@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 253d
I hate those TikTok hand gestures
biotin7@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 253d
Capitalism comes from people who are capitalists.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 252d
And cake comes from people who are bakers. My feelings about cake are largely separate from my feelings about bakers
biotin7@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 252d
Ummm no they're not. If the cake is bad who do you blame ?? The cake or the baker ??
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 252d
I'm not actually a fan of cake. There are some bakers I'm pretty into though.
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 252d
I mean, sure. But also, I hate people too.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 253d
folaht@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 253d
"Hate the capitalist system, not the capitalist"
I honestly thought I was looking at commie jesus in that picture on my phone.
5in1k@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 252d
I hate people who try to tell me how I feel like they know better than me.
Confidant6198@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 252d
Nobody is immune to propaganda
onlooker@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 253d
Can't comment on either, but I do hate that piano-falling-down-the-stairs background music.
5in1k@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 252d
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 252d
Almacca@aussie.zone · -16 pts · 254d
Confidant6198@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 253d
Capitalism is not human nature. It is a system of exploitation that has to go
Almacca@aussie.zone · -13 pts · 253d
SloppilyFloss@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 253d
Selfishness is not a historical necessity of human nature, but rather one component of human nature as it exists in the current historical moment, shaped by current sociological, religious, political, and economic structures.
Attributing selfishness as an inherent part of human nature and letting that underpin your misanthropy is wrong on two accounts:
I suggest you do some reading to better understand the idea of human nature.
A favorite of mine is Elementary Principles of Philosophy.
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Almacca@aussie.zone · -4 pts · 253d
SloppilyFloss@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 253d
You've suggested that selfishness is a universal aspect of human nature.
I suggested that selfishness is not a universal aspect of human nature, but instead a result of the intra-actions between human beings and political systems as they currently exist.
Explain how it is I, and not you, who is the ideologue in this situation.
HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 253d
Step 0: Choose to click on a thread in a .ml community when you clearly hate us. The socialism community no less when you clearly don't intend on learning about socialism.
Step 1: Make a claim with no justification because "obviously it should be obvious to anyone."
Step 2: Someone disagrees, provides a detailed justification complete with sources.
Step 3: Resort to ad hominem name calling. Complain about the instance that you chose to click and comment on.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Reassure yourself that your ideology is the correct one and everyone else is wrong.
And we're the dickhead ideologues, sure.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 253d
Capitalism is a mode of production, how on earth is capitalism "people?"
Almacca@aussie.zone · -12 pts · 253d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 253d
Murder is done by people too, but murder isn't people.
Saapas@piefed.zip · -1 pts · 253d
Violence is people in that people are what makes things violent around us
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 252d
Sure, and our environment is what shapes us, and we shape our environment. Human nature is malleable.
Almacca@aussie.zone · -6 pts · 253d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 253d
This is just substituting actual analysis with misanthropy.
HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 253d
You've just demonstrated the biggest reason everyone hates people lol. We hate people because people act like you as soon as they disagree on something. Zero attempt to learn from others or even defend your own opinions that you feel so strongly about, just "fuck you and everyone who agrees with you if you don't tell me I'm absolutely right."
Also, just curious, do you also hate yourself when you say you hate "people?" Or is everyone else the problem and you're the only good person in your mind?
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 253d
????