Possible? Yes. Accomplishable, dunno. You can get very close visually etc. Far closer than making GNOME look like KDE. But I have a feeling that some of the panel meaning dropdowns etc would be the first places to falter. Though, maybe someone has fitting panel apps already.
I'm a gnome fan myself, though I've been using a lot of distros without systemd recently while gnome has started requiring it so I'm probably not going to be seeing gnome for a while.
I’m not sure what’s wrong with my config but almost every time I wake it from having the screens off (it doesn’t sleep because it’s my media PC too) plasma is just dead and may or may not boot up again. Running plasmashell —replace (or whatever the command is) doesn’t fix it every time.
I blame nvidia too, this used to happen to me, but hasn't so far since using hyprland, etc (maybe because hypridle isn't so complicated when setup to use the basic commands for turning off screens/sleeping).
It’s been a few days and I tried this. Got a crash yesterday that still required a reboot. :/
I think it is happening less though. I’ll keep looking down this path as it could be the right direction, and it’s the first time I’ve heard of this, so thank you!
Your welcome, I don't remember how I got this solution but it was very hard to find. Not the first place I would search. I thought it was a driver issue.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback and good luck!
I had to change mine every few months because they keep deprecating stuff. Changed to Niri a week ago because I got dozens of config errors after an update.
Default configs are very great, but to be fair, a lot of people who use hyprland would be hardcore ricers, so I can see why deprecations would hit most advanced users quite hard.
Yes. It's not even an inconvenience to update, but people with bloated third party dotfiles got blasted with a million error messages and are making confused reddit posts
indeed… I took what I learnt from someone's dotfile project to build my own minimalist one… took me an afternoon to set up and everything has been rock solid since
not bad mouthing the dotfiles project I learnt from… they did great but I just did not need that much
I don't love the way niri handles workspaces across multiple monitors so far but my problems with it are also minor enough that I'm pretty sure I can fix it myself with a script or IPC program if it really starts to bother me
I used hyprland on my laptop for about a year and the thing that bothered me the most (aside from the toxic community) was how often I had to rewrite chunks of it after every major update. I'm definitely glad that the niri devs are treating its config stability more seriously.
Distros based on ArchLinux, that ship breaking changes and expect users to read .pacnew config files and update their own config accordingly (CachyOS)
A bunch of shell scripts and Hyprland config masquerading as a distro, made by a white supremacist and used to promote their brand (Omarchy 🤮)
NixOS. I don't even known where to begin with this one.
To be 100% clear, I use and like CachyOS and Nix (home manager).
CachyOS and NixOS are great projects with good technical performance toward their respective goals (good defaults and performance on Arch, and declarative configuration, respectively), but they are not beginner friendly.
I'm on Bazzite now, but I was on Fedora for a looong time and I even moved the same installation from one laptop to the next, just dd'd the drive, zero problems.
Distros based on ArchLinux, that ship breaking changes and expect users to read .pacnew config files and update their own config accordingly (CachyOS)
You're absolutely right. The other day I ran into a guy using arch who didn't know what a tarball was or how to compile software. I was like 'the fuck?'.
I should have thought of the newbies who just follow guides and might not know they've gotten in over their heads.
In some ways I think NixOS is good for beginners. I started with Ubuntu, then Arch, then NixOS.
I managed to break Ubuntu and Arch in some really weird ways which made reinstalling my root directory easier than diagnosing the issues.
You cannot break NixOS unless you do some funky chroot shit or rebuild with temporary partitions.
This isn't to suggest newbies should choose NixOS as a first distro, learning NixOS will give you a skill set which will not translate to knowledge about how other Linux OS's work (because it breaks file system conventions).
However... If you know how to use NixOS, you're living a post distro-hopping life, having ascended to godhood, and letting the Arch users know you use Nix BTW.
Third top post of all time to r/r/unixporn is a slick hyprland + quickshell rice and they linked their dotfiles + configs. how is a brother to resist trying it?
I am a newbie with hyprland. Got introduced to it with a bog video, and because it was keyboard only, it was a good fit for my dell nuggetbook with a poor trackpad. It isn't my only machine, so I felt safe enough in doing so.
It has taken a bit of configuring the files, but I have really enjoyed the process of learning.
So for me it was a way of reviving a machine that was painful to use.
Also most rice I have seen are hyprland. Probably doesn't help
And that is why I no longer use Hyprland and actually thinking about removing that branch from my dotfiles repo. Why vaxry doesn't seem to understand the concept of "deprecation"?
I moved on to Niri a couple of months ago for various reasons, constantly having to fix and re-check my config against the docs being one of them.
For me Niri performs better, I really like the workflow and the dev behind it is very deliberate with new features and changes. Feels like he has a clear vision on how it's supposed to work and it shows imo.
Just recently switched to Niri myself - I think the fact that Niri inherits a lot from Smithay for compositior stuff really helps. It’s the same compositor base that cosmic DE uses. Sure hyprland has HDR at present and Niri doesn’t, but I think it helps a lot to not build a compositor and a TWM at the same time. vaxry is honestly just doing way too much and it’s unsustainable and new version blow ups like this were inevitable given how big the install base has become and how huge hyprland feature set has gotten
Dumbest thing in software imo, is when I see software that is obviously worthy of being out of v0 (beta, alpha, etc), stay in v0.
Though since it still is v0, I guess we can't expect much.
Not sure why it is, maybe there is a good reason, but the software functions well enough for a stable release, though at the same time, this is a very small scale operation with great ambitions and a big userbase. If you api needs to be updated, it's obviously much easier to just push a breaking change than to maintain a migration period.
There's a lot of nuance, but I'd like more software to just enter v1 when it works as intended and then breaking changes can increment the major version rather than staying in v0 which is harder to tell when a breaking change happens.
p.s. so far config changes in hyprland have only been a 5 min fix so i haven't experienced this fuss yet, maybe soon!
I switched around September. The learning curve is higher than Hyprland but not by much. Once you get used to switching layouts on the fly it really open up the workflow. Plus there's no bullshit. I don't know any of the devs. There's no controversy. It's just a window manager. It's the closest thing to the pure bliss of BSPWM Wayland has.
I tried to switch to Mango but it seems to behave weirdly to me with regards to the way focus changes or not when closing window with the keyboard. Not sure how to describe it but as much as I hate the attitude of the Hyprland developer it is the only compositor that behaved the way I expect. I do use the scroller plugin making it a little more like Niri but Niri itself doesn't behave like I like with multiple monitors and keybinds
I liked hyprland for about one month this August, wasted a lot to make the configuration how I liked. Then they changed the config suddenly without warning. Installed GNOME as a fallback because I needed to do actual work, wasted another weekend to fix the configuration. Nice, I used it for some other time and... broken again within a month. At least deprecate the configuration and give one version of tolerance...
74 Comments
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 183 pts · 211d
Me using KDE Plasma because I prefer to work with my computer rather than work on my computer:
the_q@lemmy.zip · 75 pts · 211d
cadekat@pawb.social · 28 pts · 211d
I caved and used KDE on my last install, and boy do I miss Gnome.
Not that KDE is bad, but Gnome is just so my style.
ray@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 211d
Couldn't you just install Gnome now? Most distros have packages for Gnome and KDE, and there's usually nothing stopping you from installing them both.
cadekat@pawb.social · 8 pts · 211d
I could, but I'll probably stick with KDE until I reinstall. It ain't broke, just not exactly what I want.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 211d
can't you just customise KDE to just work like gnome?
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 211d
Yes but it takes a lot of work
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 211d
There's probably thirty Global Theme packs that do exactly that with a single click
Eldritch@piefed.world · 6 pts · 211d
Possible? Yes. Accomplishable, dunno. You can get very close visually etc. Far closer than making GNOME look like KDE. But I have a feeling that some of the panel meaning dropdowns etc would be the first places to falter. Though, maybe someone has fitting panel apps already.
cadekat@pawb.social · 3 pts · 211d
For the most part, yes, but as the commenter above put it so eloquently...
MuckyWaffles@leminal.space · 2 pts · 209d
I'm a gnome fan myself, though I've been using a lot of distros without systemd recently while gnome has started requiring it so I'm probably not going to be seeing gnome for a while.
cadekat@pawb.social · 2 pts · 209d
That's interesting. I come from the Gentoo world, so Gnome without systemd isn't too uncommon.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 211d
The rare double ambiguity: "work on" and "work with" could both have two meanings with opposite effects in the sentence
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 206d
Flames5123@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 211d
I’m not sure what’s wrong with my config but almost every time I wake it from having the screens off (it doesn’t sleep because it’s my media PC too) plasma is just dead and may or may not boot up again. Running plasmashell —replace (or whatever the command is) doesn’t fix it every time.
I blame nvidia.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 211d
I blame nvidia too, this used to happen to me, but hasn't so far since using hyprland, etc (maybe because hypridle isn't so complicated when setup to use the basic commands for turning off screens/sleeping).
(I actually do sleep my machine)
bilouba@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 211d
If you get back to plasma, here is a solution: https://askubuntu.com/a/1559274/1866429
bilouba@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 211d
You need to pass an option to Nvidia in the grub launch commend that will keep the buffer or something.
https://askubuntu.com/a/1559274/1866429
Flames5123@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 206d
It’s been a few days and I tried this. Got a crash yesterday that still required a reboot. :/
I think it is happening less though. I’ll keep looking down this path as it could be the right direction, and it’s the first time I’ve heard of this, so thank you!
bilouba@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 206d
Your welcome, I don't remember how I got this solution but it was very hard to find. Not the first place I would search. I thought it was a driver issue. Anyway, thanks for the feedback and good luck!
Phoeniqz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 211d
These folks have a skill issue tho, haven't touched my hyprland config in ages. Just don't overcomplicate/bloat your config, it's not that hard.
OrganicMustard@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 211d
I had to change mine every few months because they keep deprecating stuff. Changed to Niri a week ago because I got dozens of config errors after an update.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 211d
Default configs are very great, but to be fair, a lot of people who use hyprland would be hardcore ricers, so I can see why deprecations would hit most advanced users quite hard.
blinfabian@feddit.nl · 0 pts · 211d
i use kde but i do like it heavily customised, im not going through 1000 config files to make it 1% smoother and to change the wallpaper tho
DeltaWingDragon@sh.itjust.works · 112 pts · 211d
Meanwhile, desktop environment users:
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 211d
Yeah, have not heard about any of these problems before this post...
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 42 pts · 211d
I am out of the loop, what’s going on with hyperland?
Is this a continuation of the DHH issues?
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social · 46 pts · 211d
I assume it's about hyprland changing the syntax for window rules like.. 6 days ago
toasterbotnet@piefed.social · 50 pts · 211d
Yes. It's not even an inconvenience to update, but people with bloated third party dotfiles got blasted with a million error messages and are making confused reddit posts
Jhex@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 211d
indeed… I took what I learnt from someone's dotfile project to build my own minimalist one… took me an afternoon to set up and everything has been rock solid since
not bad mouthing the dotfiles project I learnt from… they did great but I just did not need that much
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz · 5 pts · 211d
It was actually pretty inconvenient because I found the syntax for "anonymous rules" basically undocumented.
Zangoose@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 211d
I couldn't have picked better timing to switch to niri if I tried.
sfxrlz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 211d
Same. love niri though. I think I’m going to keep it
cadekat@pawb.social · 13 pts · 211d
Niri gang represent!
boringbisexual@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 211d
There are dozens of us. I've been using niri for almost a year now and I think I would be lost if I switched to anything else.
Zangoose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 211d
I don't love the way niri handles workspaces across multiple monitors so far but my problems with it are also minor enough that I'm pretty sure I can fix it myself with a script or IPC program if it really starts to bother me
neketos851@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 211d
tiktok window manager rise!
ne0phyte@feddit.org · 6 pts · 211d
Yup. Been on Niri for a couple of months and it works very well and is super stable.
Niri seems to have a vision whereas Hyprland folks just seem to push as many features and changes as they can with little consideration.
Zangoose@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 211d
I used hyprland on my laptop for about a year and the thing that bothered me the most (aside from the toxic community) was how often I had to rewrite chunks of it after every major update. I'm definitely glad that the niri devs are treating its config stability more seriously.
KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 211d
I switched to niri recently, I think it's the best tiling window manager I've ever used
teft@piefed.social · 35 pts · 211d
Are newbies really installing hyprland? I would think they'd stick with kde/gnome/cinnamon.
F04118F@feddit.nl · 60 pts · 211d
In an ideal world.
But in our world, newbies are being recommended:
.pacnewconfig files and update their own config accordingly (CachyOS)To be 100% clear, I use and like CachyOS and Nix (home manager). CachyOS and NixOS are great projects with good technical performance toward their respective goals (good defaults and performance on Arch, and declarative configuration, respectively), but they are not beginner friendly.
Zwiebel@feddit.org · 25 pts · 211d
Meanwhile my Fedora ass whos done nothing but run updates for like five years
Damage@feddit.it · 2 pts · 211d
I'm on Bazzite now, but I was on Fedora for a looong time and I even moved the same installation from one laptop to the next, just dd'd the drive, zero problems.
teft@piefed.social · 19 pts · 211d
You're absolutely right. The other day I ran into a guy using arch who didn't know what a tarball was or how to compile software. I was like 'the fuck?'.
I should have thought of the newbies who just follow guides and might not know they've gotten in over their heads.
zebidiah@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 211d
AntiX, fast, lightweight, and proudly anti-fascist...
chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 211d
AntiX is nothing like Omarchy from my quick look at it. It's Debian vs Arch (btw) and systemd-free.
Zozano@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 211d
In some ways I think NixOS is good for beginners. I started with Ubuntu, then Arch, then NixOS.
I managed to break Ubuntu and Arch in some really weird ways which made reinstalling my root directory easier than diagnosing the issues.
You cannot break NixOS unless you do some funky chroot shit or rebuild with temporary partitions.
This isn't to suggest newbies should choose NixOS as a first distro, learning NixOS will give you a skill set which will not translate to knowledge about how other Linux OS's work (because it breaks file system conventions).
However... If you know how to use NixOS, you're living a post distro-hopping life, having ascended to godhood, and letting the Arch users know you use Nix BTW.
HellieSkellie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 211d
Third top post of all time to r/r/unixporn is a slick hyprland + quickshell rice and they linked their dotfiles + configs. how is a brother to resist trying it?
teft@piefed.social · 5 pts · 211d
That's how they get ya...
Bubblebath@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 211d
I am a newbie with hyprland. Got introduced to it with a bog video, and because it was keyboard only, it was a good fit for my dell nuggetbook with a poor trackpad. It isn't my only machine, so I felt safe enough in doing so.
It has taken a bit of configuring the files, but I have really enjoyed the process of learning.
So for me it was a way of reviving a machine that was painful to use.
Also most rice I have seen are hyprland. Probably doesn't help
LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 211d
Love some Bog. I wish more Linux enthusiasts would give him a watch, as he even makes me go WTF every now and then, and I’m just a noob myself!
highball@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
Yep, then they are going to complain and claim Linux isn't ready for then entire computing industry; not even grandmas just using a web browser.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 28 pts · 211d
People actually looked at Omarchy and said fuck yeah punch it?
Luffy879@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 211d
Nazis mostly, but yes
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 210d
The only person I know who run Omarch is a trans girl... But the developers are really weird.
lian_drake@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 211d
And that is why I no longer use Hyprland and actually thinking about removing that branch from my dotfiles repo. Why vaxry doesn't seem to understand the concept of "deprecation"?
ne0phyte@feddit.org · 10 pts · 211d
I moved on to Niri a couple of months ago for various reasons, constantly having to fix and re-check my config against the docs being one of them.
For me Niri performs better, I really like the workflow and the dev behind it is very deliberate with new features and changes. Feels like he has a clear vision on how it's supposed to work and it shows imo.
porkloin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 211d
Just recently switched to Niri myself - I think the fact that Niri inherits a lot from Smithay for compositior stuff really helps. It’s the same compositor base that cosmic DE uses. Sure hyprland has HDR at present and Niri doesn’t, but I think it helps a lot to not build a compositor and a TWM at the same time. vaxry is honestly just doing way too much and it’s unsustainable and new version blow ups like this were inevitable given how big the install base has become and how huge hyprland feature set has gotten
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 211d
Dumbest thing in software imo, is when I see software that is obviously worthy of being out of v0 (beta, alpha, etc), stay in v0.
Though since it still is v0, I guess we can't expect much.
Not sure why it is, maybe there is a good reason, but the software functions well enough for a stable release, though at the same time, this is a very small scale operation with great ambitions and a big userbase. If you api needs to be updated, it's obviously much easier to just push a breaking change than to maintain a migration period.
There's a lot of nuance, but I'd like more software to just enter v1 when it works as intended and then breaking changes can increment the major version rather than staying in v0 which is harder to tell when a breaking change happens.
p.s. so far config changes in hyprland have only been a 5 min fix so i haven't experienced this fuss yet, maybe soon!
DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 211d
Zed is the perfect example of that.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 211d
DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 211d
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 211d
Was my usercss acting up.
JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social · 2 pts · 211d
It really is a problem. I don't think I ever used another WM that broke config as much as Hyprland.
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 211d
hyprland moto should be: the faster one moves, the harder it will crash onto the wall, and we are at C speed
JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social · 2 pts · 211d
You don't have to tell me master. That shit broke more than my Arch install.
JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social · 6 pts · 211d
I'll take the Mango, thank you.
ogeist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
I switched to in in December and was nicely surprised. I also do like real Mangos.
JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social · 4 pts · 211d
I switched around September. The learning curve is higher than Hyprland but not by much. Once you get used to switching layouts on the fly it really open up the workflow. Plus there's no bullshit. I don't know any of the devs. There's no controversy. It's just a window manager. It's the closest thing to the pure bliss of BSPWM Wayland has.
porl@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
I tried to switch to Mango but it seems to behave weirdly to me with regards to the way focus changes or not when closing window with the keyboard. Not sure how to describe it but as much as I hate the attitude of the Hyprland developer it is the only compositor that behaved the way I expect. I do use the scroller plugin making it a little more like Niri but Niri itself doesn't behave like I like with multiple monitors and keybinds
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social · 5 pts · 211d
I'm so glad my hyprpand setup got nuked before this, so I didn't have to deal with it /j
Jhex@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 211d
Hyprland here… just happy to be in the meme
mmmm@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 211d
X gOoD wAyLaNd bAd
Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 211d
The linked converter fixed the deprecated config in a sec for me.
standarduser@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 211d
I have noticed an issue with electron based apps directly from aur. Curious if anyone else had that
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 207d
I liked hyprland for about one month this August, wasted a lot to make the configuration how I liked. Then they changed the config suddenly without warning. Installed GNOME as a fallback because I needed to do actual work, wasted another weekend to fix the configuration. Nice, I used it for some other time and... broken again within a month. At least deprecate the configuration and give one version of tolerance...