We have a separatist movement in Alberta, that is fueled by a sycophantic and borderline treasonous Premier and UCP, multiple NGOs and special interest groups some of whom have already been fined for hiding their funding, and a think tank that gets more than 10% of their reported and direct funding from the US (ignoring funding that comes from the US but goes through one hop in Canada, thus legitimizing it).
Is it too much to ask that someone do some fucking investigation? Dig in and make sure the funding is all legitimate before we give up our whole country to a demonstrated enemy whose main mode of attack is division, propaganda and disinformation??
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tangeli@piefed.social · 39 pts · 248d
And don't forget the other common modes of attack: election interference, kidnapping and assassination of political leaders, funding and providing arms to militant groups to destabilise and foment regime change, piracy and direct military invasion of sovereign nations.
The threats are real.
CocaineShrimp@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 248d
It's CSIS. They're not supposed to announce to the world what they're up to, otherwise it defeats the whole point of having an intelligence service. Unfortunately, the tradeoff is that it makes it seem like they're not doing anything, and we can't verify if they're doing anything
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 248d
I agree, I acknowledged this in another comment in this thread.
However, I also made another point that is highly relevant and speaks to the ability of CSIS and others to prosecute any of these groups as well as the ability of the media to investigate them - that is, the laws around disclosure of funding sources seems to be incredibly weak. So even if CSIS is doing work, unless they can clear the incredibly high bar of proving foreign influence, we will never hear about it. What we SHOULD do is lower the bar for foreign influence by legislating much harsher limits on foreign funding and involvement in our NGOs.
RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 248d
They probably are investigating. I don't think they're usually very public with these things?
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 248d
Gets worse, They are complicit too.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io · 5 pts · 248d
That article did not mention CSIS?
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 248d
Csis wouldn’t deal with domestic issues like this anyways.
Not even worth mentioning, this was an example of the government hindering investigations.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 248d
If there is foreign interference into Canadian governance, that is within CSIS purview.
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 248d
Did you read what the article I posted was about?
It was about the Alberta government and its own oil sands.
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 248d
CSIS is primarily domestic. It's its raison d'être. It was created after the McDonald Commission into the crimes and illicit actions committed by the RCMP against the independent movement in Quebec. CSE is more foreign oriented.
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 248d
Factually incorrect
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 248d
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 248d
Do you know what the word primarily means? Because they aren’t primarily domestic, like you claim. They are primarily foreign, and they wouldn’t interject into an oil sands and government issue. Which is what my article was about, if you read it.
They do operate domestically, I never claimed they didn’t dude.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 248d
Why are CDN non profits and NGOs alowed to exist without revealing source funding from US Foundations like Atlas? In fact, they do not have to reveal any funding source at all. But we give them tax free status.
See Canadian Federation of Taxpayers, they once revealed they were supported by Koch and Atlas, now they refuse to admit any foreign support. And ironically, they don't pay tax.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 248d
What if a concerned citizen made a complaint to the RCMP? It would at least be documented as an initial starting point.
Threeskittiesinatrenchcoat@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 248d
The RCMP announced an investigation into TBA last year and its funding for the membership drive it held to put Smith in as leader, which it refuses to disclose to Election Alberta.
They have yet to do move a muscle for the investigation, David Parker was even bragging on social media just before the holidays that he'd never have to worry about the RCMP.
We can't count on the RCMP in Alberta, unfortunately, the situation with services like EPS and CPS is even more compromised.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 248d
Not one that the general public might notice.
Most investigations into most things happen quietly, intentionally not drawing the attention of those being investigated.
Threeskittiesinatrenchcoat@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 248d
I can’t help but think of the Kenney’s illegal kamikaze campaign. The RCMP announced the investigation then four years later they announced they didn’t find any evidence.
It’s a common trope for people being investigated when connected to the conservatives.
I imagine the situation for Parker is the same, the police announced the investigation in order to give Parker a heads up to deal with any evidence and to stop the calls from concerned citizens asking for an investigation, this is so by the time they get around to collecting the evidence years later, it’s no longer available.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 248d
RCMP has been investigating Doug Ford since he got elected. All they do is drag things out and harass each other.
discomatic@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 248d
@knittyknits on TikTok is constantly posting about this and similar things. She's been threatened, doxxed, and harassed for it. I don't live in AB but I find her posts interesting nonetheless.
BC_viper@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 247d
The alberta separatists are traitors and should get traitor fates.
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 247d
Yeah I don't know about you, but I've become aware of many traitors who were former friends, and I make sure to tell them that I'm glad they have made it clear who they are, and to remind them that they should hope against hope that it is all a joke and Trump isn't really serious because if the shit ever did hit the fan, traitors are usually the first up against the wall. During a conflict, the state is often busy with other affairs, and justice is often handled by the people, on the ground, and the mob is usually less than gentle and not very discriminating.
Transform2942@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 248d
Time to read up on color revolutions
Nations that don't want to be politically captured by the US empire would be well advised to pass an NGO law
kandoh@reddthat.com · -1 pts · 248d
Okay, so you want CSIS to stop the foreign backed ideologues seeking to destroy our country — but then who is going to sit online and try to convince Muslim teens and college kids to start planning terrorist attacks??
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 248d
I'm sorry are you claiming CSIS is running black agitation ops in our country to destabilize it? This would require some substantial evidence.
kandoh@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 248d
Whenever you hear about a terrorist attack being stopped before happens, that is because a law enforcement agency found people online and began to encourage them to follow through on planning to commit a terrorist attack.
https://theconversation.com/canadian-law-enforcement-agencies-continue-to-target-muslims-208444
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/csis-documents-may-point-to-entrapment-in-case-of-alleged-bc-terrorists-lawyer/
This is very common across law enforcement agencies around the world
https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1182&context=jcl
https://www7.austlii.edu.au/nz/journals/NZLawStuJl/2015/7.pdf
snoons@lemmy.ca · -5 pts · 248d
CSIS is only meant for oppressing indigenous people.
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 248d
Putting aside the ignorant simplicity of this response, your input is not really helpful, and is just intended to sow division.
Unless the next thing out of your mouth is constructive, you'll forgive me if I ignore you and your obstructionist tactics.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 248d
Nono, that's the RCMP. CSIS is for the socialists and brown people.
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 248d
You're getting downvoted by blind patriotism, but you aren't wrong.
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 248d
In what way is this accurate? Do you assert that all CSIS does is oppress indigenous people?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 248d
When has CSIS done anything useful?
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 248d
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't know if they did, intelligence work isn't really published to the public.
I'm guessing you're not even clear on what they do, or what their mandate is.
Would you prefer we disbanded them?
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 248d
Useful to whom? I'm sure the oil execs find their work useful.
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 248d
Can you clarify?
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 248d
https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/documents-to-be-released-years-after-allegations-that-canada-s-spy-agency-monitored-pipeline-protesters/article_081ff05b-2c67-5475-8379-5c4bfc9d8735.html
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-csis-says-ottawas-trans-mountain-pipeline-purchase-seen-as-betrayal/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/wetsuweten-caledonia-csis-documents-1.6635343
I don't know which rock you live under, but this has been going on for decades.
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 248d
Are you asserting that this is all that they do?
I'm not going to claim this is outside their mandate, in fact it seems to be within their mandate, but I would surely like to see more stories about CSIS work on foreign influence. Thus my post.
The problem seems to be that we have no transparency into funding avenues for many NGOs and NPOs, not only the environmental or anti-pipeline groups. Digging in a bit it seems that there is far more smoke on the side of the right wing orgs (Fraser, CTF) than the left wing orgs, but the correct approach here is to demand transparency and better reporting requirements across the board.
I suspect the RCMP and CSIS may have political bias, but the way to fix it is to tighten up the laws around reporting, not to try to correct a bias around shitty laws. And certainly not to diminish the importance of organizations like CSIS, which frankly would be extremely naive.
Edit to add - terrorism, including domestic terrorism, is solidly in the mandate of CSIS, whether it's left wing or right wing.