Sony patents AI-powered 'ghost' that shows you how to get past videogame obstacles, and can even play the hard bits for you
https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/sony-patents-ai-powered-ghost-that-shows-you-how-to-get-past-videogame-obstacles-and-can-even-play-the-hard-bits-for-you/
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U7826391786239@lemmy.zip · 70 pts · 208d
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca · 46 pts · 208d
Why would they make an easy solution to a problem they've created when they could sell you a convoluted one that makes use of everyone's favourite buzz word?
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 208d
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 208d
Couldn't agree more.
Dagnet@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 208d
Old games just had cheat codes
calliope@retrolemmy.com · 34 pts · 208d
I love patent illustrations.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 208d
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 16 pts · 208d
bigchungus@piefed.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 208d
Needs more piss filter, distortions and random nonsense. Then it will truly be AI!
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 208d
100
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SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 27 pts · 208d
I'm 100% certain I've seen this in a game ages ago, but without the dumb AI part.
Zombiepirate@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 208d
Titanfall 2 definitely had the ghost thing.
Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 208d
I feel like that was a thing in one of the mario games?
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 1 pts · 208d
Hmm, possible. Paper?
ceenote@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 208d
I wonder if the much more sensible strategy of just making the ghost a recording of a person beating it, instead of shoehorning in AI, would infringe on this patent.
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 208d
Thankfully that's unlikely due to such an approach having a completely different implementation.
ech@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 208d
And also due to it being something no one fucking wants.
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 208d
No one wants a ghost recording? Due to the common use of it in racing games since forever and the implementation of a similar mechanic in FromSoftware games being so well received.
ech@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 208d
Visual similarities ≠ identical mechanic.
FS's is a way for human players to interact in each others games. And racing ghosts are just asynchronous multiplayer.
This is literal hand-holding so the player doesn't have to bother actually playing the game.
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 208d
Right. I'm going to have to suggest you re-read my comment and the context. What I was saying was that a ghost function that isn't AI-powered wouldn't be susceptible to legal action under this patent. I also have no doubt Sony will force this in anyway. All of the big companies have gone gaga for AI. I have absolutely no idea why other than very poorly made projections, but the reality is they insist on using the biggest crowbar they can find.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 17 pts · 208d
Isn't this a Nintendo thing from like the 2000s? Why would you even need to use AI when you could just use a recording of one of your testers doing it or (crazy thought) just using a "skip this" button? This seems like a dumb way to shoe-horn AI into something that doesn't make sense.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 13 pts · 208d
I feel like they do not understand why people play games.
Also this thing is gonna get exploited for a cheat bot tout suite
Sturgist@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 208d
Yeah, I usually KNOW how to get past an obstacle..... sausage fingers are my issue, not inability to follow instructions or basic deduction skills.
I've got a fiver on it being hacked to cheat in competitive games.
Sludgehammer@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 208d
Player: "Uh, hey... wouldn't beating this section be easier if you didn't jump directly into the lava pit?"
AI Ghost: "LOL, you're right!! 😂😅🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ I'll try to incorporate your feed back into future attempts to complete this section!"
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 208d
The "claim" is that it would be trained on gameplay footage, so like .. is it just going to do what a bunch of players do?
Nasan@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 208d
"I'm sorry, I've failed you. I'm trash." <Corrupts your saves, for every game, including cloud saves. Bricks your system>
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 208d
So ... they patented NPCs?
nesc@lemmy.cafe · 11 pts · 208d
How can they patent it? I've seen something very similar more than 20 years ago. AI is a keyword here? Like you can patent everything as long as it's AI?
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 208d
Yeah, it's especially funny to me, because the word "AI" has been used in gaming to describe the behavior code for NPCs since forever. And in this case, they actually even happen to refer the same thing in the end. At best, it's a different strategy for getting to that same end result.
ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 208d
If I need help I will look up a video or a guide. I dont need a fucking AI.
kerthale@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 208d
Why even play the game then!?
reddig33@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 208d
Didn’t Nintendo already do this? Seems like an invalid patent.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/wii/960544-new-super-mario-bros-wii/answers/130039-super-guide
e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 208d
Good, now nobody else can implement this idiotic system and I will continue to just not buy Sony games.
PurpleFanatic@quokk.au · 8 pts · 208d
why not just have an AI play the whole game for you? sounds great /s
Soapbox@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 208d
Lookout twitch streamers AI is going to take your job too!
ech@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 208d
I don't think this will be a joke for long.
HurlingDurling@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 208d
Let me guess, you have to pay a monthly subscription fee for this and if you want the free tier, it would just require you to play all games with an internet connection to ensure you aren't doing something you shouldn't and collecting your juicy data in the meantime. This fucking timeline is almost like the fallout timeline
Sunsofold@lemmings.world · 7 pts · 208d
Didn't they have 'drivatars' in that racing game years ago at this point? An AI imitation of a player should not be patentable.
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 208d
Yet another reason to avoid Sony.
gustofwind@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 208d
Well that’s much easier than just designing a good game
God forbid someone having to actually figure something out on their own…that’s practically abuse
ech@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 208d
Uggghhh. Sony was already the worst with the annoying fucking nagging if the player takes a micro-second to look at anything that isn't a button to the next level/mission/etc. "I think this panel is part of a puzzle!" "Yeah, I fucking know that already. I'm just taking a second to look at the other 99% of the game you assholes spent years designing. Shut up!"
gens@programming.dev · 1 pts · 208d
You can't patent game mechanics, afaik
omarfw@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 208d
Warner brothers patented the nemesis system from shadow of mordor
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 208d
People patented how to get jpegs of your camera to your PC by file transfer. Trolls in my opinion.
FishFace@piefed.social · 3 pts · 208d
You can patent pretty much anything in a lot of countries because the patent office officials don't pay any attention. Probably it'd get thrown out in court, but that doesn't really matter to a patent troll who will be able to make loads of money from settlements that never go to court because settling is cheaper.
SuiXi3D@fedia.io · 1 pts · 208d
Nintendo says otherwise.
Agent_Karyo@piefed.world · 0 pts · 208d
I wonder if in the future this sort of functionality would become common place.
I could actually see this being useful in some complex strategy / business sims for querying more convoluted or unintuitive gameplay mechanic. But it would have been done well, more of a dynamic Wiki query tool powered by a local LLM than Sony's approach.