Haha, I feel bad, but the art is TOO CUTE I can't not use it (unless they personally ask me to stop or mention that it can't be used, which I haven't seen). The vibe of the one I use is too perfect for explaining how I feel every day, lmao
Amazing, lmao! I'd feel less bad about the implications of using an example of the horrors of industrialized farming to shock libs, but at the same time I wouldn't want to presume ownership over the original artist's creations.
Thanks for the kind words, but no, I've got a long road ahead in my studies before I consider myself educated in the field of Marxism-Leninism. I'm just one person, I just like to yap!
Cowbee is a user who makes a lot of comments in discussion and debate threads about socialism and communism. IMO he's extremely patient and gives very detailed explanations/arguments. Some people disagree with him (which is OK, of course), but some of those people are IMO rude and/or dishonest about it. This form is a joke about that.
Assuming maybe wrongfully that they are a man, (i'm uncomfortable with the use of they/them to designate a singular person, english isn't my first language), yeah, I'm seriously impressed by his patience and kindness.
I felt so ashamed to give small answers to him that one time he corrected me with a very understandable and precise paragraph, that I actually became motivated to read a bit of theory.
Using "they" for a singular person has been used since at least the 14th century, so there's no need to feel uncomfortable with it. I highly recommend reading the Wikipedia page on Singular they, which touches on its history.
A similar example is "you." "You" used to be only a plural, with "thou" being the singular, but over time it fell out of fashion and now "you" can be used as singular or plural, like how "they" can be singular or plural.
Singular "they" was criticised by some people hundreds of years after it started being used. But language cannot be prescribed; it is determined by how people use it.
Oh, thank you for the info, but when i said that I am uncomfortable with that pronoun, i said it in the sense "I'm not used to this pronoun and don't know how to use it properly".
If I understood well, it can be used like he-his, she-her, they-theirs? I gotta use gender neutral pronouns more often. Sounds better than "it-its"
Yep, they/them/theirs is used in the same place as he/him/his or she/her/hers. It/it/its should not be used for people unless someone explicitly says those are their preferred pronouns. "It" is typically used for objects and non-human animals, so it could be seen as rude to refer to a human as "it." If unsure, use they/them.
Cowbee is a user who makes a lot of comments in discussion and debate threads about socialism and communism. IMO he's extremely patient and gives very detailed explanations/arguments. Some people disagree with him (which is OK, of course), but some of those people are IMO rude and/or dishonest about it. This form is a joke about that.
Cowbee is a user who makes a lot of comments in discussion and debate threads about socialism and communism. IMO he's extremely patient and gives very detailed explanations/arguments. Some people disagree with him (which is OK, of course), but some of those people are IMO rude and/or dishonest about it. This form is a joke about that.
I've blocked Cowbee because they kept trying to justify China rubber staping the genocide in Gaza by voting for the Trump UNSC proposal after 2 years of genocide. Some people will justify anything China does.
This user is banned from Hexbear for claiming it's run by "transzionists." They uphold Bad Empanada so much because more often than not, it's more important to be a contrarion for them than actually make a correct point.
Yep, it's frustrating because the only reason I gently reached out to them while they flipped 180 on China, calling it imperialist and Blue MAGA, was because I thought they were generally more reasonable. A radlib with good political instincts, but someone that could use real organizing work and study. Unfortunately, it seems they became Bad Empanada poisoned, causing them to see enemies out of every ally by finding imperfections and magnifying them.
Doubly frustrating that they blocked me, rather than respond in earnest. Even before they blocked me, they would just respond with unrelated Bad Empanada tweets. I imagine that's how the falling out with Grad and Hexbear happened (Grad banned them as well for liberalism).
Abstaining is nothing more than a cowardly way of voting in favor. They have veto rights and they know it will pass if they don't veto it.
Silence is consent in the most literal terms here.
The abstain vote was very useful to filter out those who actually care about human rights from those who only speak about it to further their own cause. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubeCHFGZM-E
This is the same logic used by liberals to claim voting for PSL is a vote for Trump, and again, you're upholding Bad Empanada, a known contrarion and transphobe, instead of addressing the actual arguments at hand.
Here's an example of Bad Empanada just shit-stirring:
You also claimed Hexbear are "transzionists," uphold Bad Empanada, and take constant reactionary stances. You blocked me because I correctly called you out, and here is what I said:
The PRC is not helping the US and Israel disarm the resistance. China has affirmed that Palestinians must control Palestine in their own state, and served as a vital mediator for the 2024 Beijing Declaration, where Fatah and Hamas were brought closer together and the resistance as a whole in Palestine came together to collaborate more closely, alongside China. In the 2024 Beijing Declaration, which China was a core mediator for, it was declared that the resistance must not be disarmed.
China has consistently only ever veto'd at the security council if it is willing to intervene millitarily in order to protect the veto'd outcome. The PRC has veto'd sanctions on the DPRK, and has enforced that veto by increasing trade with the DPRK. The US Empire has never been stopped by a veto, such as when it was determined to stop shipping arms to Haiti, which the US subverted. China vetoing the UNSC declaration on Palestine would mean mobilizing its army to directly prevent the US's plans for the region.
If we look at how resistance orgs are responding, they aren't blaming China. Instead, they have similar analysis to China, that is that the plan itself is unworkable and that they cannot implement it in the first place. China also adhered its best to both the PLO, who endorsed TRUST, and Hamas, the PFLP, etc that oppose TRUST.
Personally, I would rather China take a more millitant anti-imperialist stance than their current passive stance. There's good reason to believe this will be the case in the future, as younger generations in China are more millitant and more overwhelmingly pro-Palestine. However, I don't confuse imperfect allies for enemies, which is the western-leftist mistake you've fallen for. You did the same with Hexbear, calling them "transzionist" and claiming they ban critique of contrapoints because she's trans. The reality is that Hexbear is anti-zionist and pro-trans, and regularly clowns on contrapoints for her awful liberalism.
China is contributing to a multi-polar world. China's position in the global stage facilitates south-south trade, which bypasses unequal exchange, where the global north maintains monopolies on high tech industries so as to consistently charge monopoly prices in exchange with the global south. China charges non-monopoly prices, and this is why exchange with China, alongside the rise of the Belt and Road Initiative, has resulted in dramatic development in African and Latin American countries. This is ultimately the single greatest contributor to the downfall of imperialism globally, and is why right now there is such a large cold war with China.
Your confusion of imperfect allies with enemies is why the western left has continued to fail to meaningfully challenge the status quo. Jones Manoel was correct in Western Marxism Loves Purity and Martyrdom, But Not Real Revolution. Western leftists do the work of the US Empire by making the same mistakes you've been making with respect to China, thereby sabotaging allies and making the efforts of the ones actually arming, facilitating, and committing the genocide easier.
TL;DR join an org. Having a practical outlet to test theory to practice, and directly organize against arming and supporting Israel, is a much better use of your time. It will also help you form a more correct understanding of anti-imperialist struggle.
Figured it's important for others to know what it is you actually blocked me for. You're correct at least 70% of the time, but the last 30% is marred by letting reaction guide you. You didn't believe China was imperialist prior to the abstention, but the abstention was in line with standard Chinese foreign policy and nothing about China's economy changed from it. Nevertheless, you flipped nearly 180 on that.
The PRC abstained, they did not vote for it, and I explained why they did so. You responded with a bunch of unrelated Bad Empanada tweets, started calling China "imperialist," and took an extremely non-materialist viewpoint, insulting other users, and upholding Bad Empanada's shit takes. I can and do critique China, but not all critique is good by virtue of existing, which is what I called you out on.
Considering "tankie" in practice is just a pejorative for those that "support existing socialist projects," then I suppose it's accurate, though I would suggest not marking down "tankies" and instead trying to listen more to what we have to say.
I was of the opinion tankie was just a term given to Russian or Chinese fans/apologists. People that think these governments can do no wrong which is just dumb and naive. And thinking they can do no right is just as naive. As oppressive as the Chinese government can be, they have been at least making some interesting choices in regards to science and technology recently. But people are getting labeled as tankie because of support for socialist ideas? Like government healthcare and social safety nets?
Nobody genuinely thinks the USSR or PRC can/could do no wrong, but the strawman image of someone who believes that is used as a club against those that uphold them, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK, etc. as validly socialist countries working towards a better future. Healthcare and safety nets are social programs, not socialism, but that's a different conversation.
The point is that those that uphold existing socialism are labeled "tankies," and I uphold existing socialism, warts and all, as genuinely progressive movements.
Wow that description as “extremely patient and gives very detailed explanations/arguments” is kinda on the nose isn’t it. Good on you for having the time and patience to help educate people.
In my opinion any country legitimately trying to better their people is a good thing. At least way better than trying to enrich the same 10 billionaires over and over again.
I’d consider myself more of a fan of social democracies. Ultimately the problem seems to be that no one is truly altruistic or even future thinking. As a species we are greedy, short sighted, with tiny short attention spans.
Thanks for the kind words! One thing I want to say, though, is that it's less that humans are greedy, and more that we are shaped by the way we live, produce, and distribute. Capitalism expresses and reinforces greed, we aren't intrinsically greedy. Social democracy, ie capitalism with large safety nets, is unfortunately both unsustainable and also relies on imperialism to subsidize the safety nets, which is why socialism itself is necessary.
People that think these governments can do no wrong which is just dumb and naive.
The thing is that nobody actually thinks that, liberals just tell you we think that so you don't engage with out actual positions, because people who engage with our actual positions tend to come around to agreeing with them. It's a classic anticommunist canard.
81 Comments
Diva@lemmy.ml · 52 pts · 222d
cowbee is one of the most patient posters I've seen
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml · 50 pts · 222d
Sometimes so much that I want to ask him this.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 222d
Patience is important to sway people
The others that are too far gone aren't worth trying to convince, but providing good sources is still useful for all the lurkers in the margins
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 222d
You too, wish I could have your attitude when the fash get mad at you
BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 222d
I think ML isn't for me but @Cowbee has been super patient in answering my questions and I'd love to consider them a friend
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 42 pts · 222d
We can be friends!
BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 222d
HELL YEAH <3
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 222d
♥️
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 32 pts · 221d
Cowbee has answered so many of my questions and been very patient.
We all deserve to do him a favour and read his ml reading list
Jentu@lemmy.ml · 28 pts · 221d
Cowbee might say that great man theory isn't real, but I think they're a real great person
hamid@crazypeople.online · 23 pts · 221d
I didn't realize the avatar was so cute
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 221d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 220d
There are 3 others!
oculi@anarchist.nexus · 4 pts · 220d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 220d
Thank you! It's from a Korean artist, yeyepainting on instagram! Shamelessly stolen though.
oculi@anarchist.nexus · 5 pts · 220d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 220d
Haha, I feel bad, but the art is TOO CUTE I can't not use it (unless they personally ask me to stop or mention that it can't be used, which I haven't seen). The vibe of the one I use is too perfect for explaining how I feel every day, lmao
oculi@anarchist.nexus · 5 pts · 220d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 220d
Truly we are blessed 🐶
Pwalabwa@quokk.au · 3 pts · 220d
Hexbear needs this as a soft PPB emoji:
::: spoiler CBB or CowBee's Butt 🤓
:::
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 220d
Amazing, lmao! I'd feel less bad about the implications of using an example of the horrors of industrialized farming to shock libs, but at the same time I wouldn't want to presume ownership over the original artist's creations.
Twongo@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 221d
i started to respect cowbee early on 🫡🫡
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 221d
Reasons for Behavior:
✅ I didn't read the things he keeps trying to make me read
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 221d
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 220d
Now let's do this exact same meme but with Hexbear and being right about all of the nazi bar instances
orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 220d
Cowbee is the goat
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 220d
For some reason I'm glad I don't know who cowbee is. Sometimes outside looking in is the best position to find yourself in.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 220d
Cowbee is just a stupid commie
teagrrl@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 220d
i love stupid commies 💖
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 220d
♥️
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 220d
He's everyone's favorite stupid commie, thank you very much.
You're also not stupid at all. I often wonder if you're actually four people. If you're not, props for being that good.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 220d
Thanks for the kind words, but no, I've got a long road ahead in my studies before I consider myself educated in the field of Marxism-Leninism. I'm just one person, I just like to yap!
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 220d
Your contributions are greatly appreciated, so keep yapping!
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 220d
Thanks!
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 220d
Can confirm
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 220d
Lol
kaklerbitmap@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 221d
I have no idea who this is or what this is about. I'm sorry for being out of the loop, cowbee.
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 220d
Cowbee is a user who makes a lot of comments in discussion and debate threads about socialism and communism. IMO he's extremely patient and gives very detailed explanations/arguments. Some people disagree with him (which is OK, of course), but some of those people are IMO rude and/or dishonest about it. This form is a joke about that.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 6 pts · 220d
This made my day, as I sip my cuppa!
TheGuyTM3@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 220d
Assuming maybe wrongfully that they are a man, (i'm uncomfortable with the use of they/them to designate a singular person, english isn't my first language), yeah, I'm seriously impressed by his patience and kindness.
I felt so ashamed to give small answers to him that one time he corrected me with a very understandable and precise paragraph, that I actually became motivated to read a bit of theory.
That's what i call a good influencer.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 9 pts · 220d
The correct pronoun is the preferred pronoun.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 220d
Some apps don't display modified usernames, so it would just show "cowbee" instead of "cowbee [he/they]"
Maeve@kbin.earth · 2 pts · 220d
Ah, I sit corrected, my apologies to /u/@TheGuyTM3@lemmy.ml
thatsTheCatch@lemmy.nz · 7 pts · 220d
Using "they" for a singular person has been used since at least the 14th century, so there's no need to feel uncomfortable with it. I highly recommend reading the Wikipedia page on Singular they, which touches on its history.
A similar example is "you." "You" used to be only a plural, with "thou" being the singular, but over time it fell out of fashion and now "you" can be used as singular or plural, like how "they" can be singular or plural.
Singular "they" was criticised by some people hundreds of years after it started being used. But language cannot be prescribed; it is determined by how people use it.
TheGuyTM3@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 219d
Oh, thank you for the info, but when i said that I am uncomfortable with that pronoun, i said it in the sense "I'm not used to this pronoun and don't know how to use it properly".
If I understood well, it can be used like he-his, she-her, they-theirs? I gotta use gender neutral pronouns more often. Sounds better than "it-its"
thatsTheCatch@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 219d
Oh that makes sense, sorry I misunderstood!
Yep, they/them/theirs is used in the same place as he/him/his or she/her/hers. It/it/its should not be used for people unless someone explicitly says those are their preferred pronouns. "It" is typically used for objects and non-human animals, so it could be seen as rude to refer to a human as "it." If unsure, use they/them.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 218d
Some people do use it/its as pronouns, fyi.
Edit: Just saw that you said that, my bad!
Omnipitaph@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 221d
I'm very out of the loop. Who is cowbee? What did they do?
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 220d
Cowbee is a user who makes a lot of comments in discussion and debate threads about socialism and communism. IMO he's extremely patient and gives very detailed explanations/arguments. Some people disagree with him (which is OK, of course), but some of those people are IMO rude and/or dishonest about it. This form is a joke about that.
tkk13909@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 221d
Wait what happened? I don't remember usernames on here
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 220d
Cowbee is a user who makes a lot of comments in discussion and debate threads about socialism and communism. IMO he's extremely patient and gives very detailed explanations/arguments. Some people disagree with him (which is OK, of course), but some of those people are IMO rude and/or dishonest about it. This form is a joke about that.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 219d
I've blocked Cowbee because they kept trying to justify China rubber staping the genocide in Gaza by voting for the Trump UNSC proposal after 2 years of genocide. Some people will justify anything China does.
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 218d
China didn't vote for the proposal, though. They abstained. I agree voting against would have been good, but it's strange to claim they voted for it.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 218d
This user is banned from Hexbear for claiming it's run by "transzionists." They uphold Bad Empanada so much because more often than not, it's more important to be a contrarion for them than actually make a correct point.
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 218d
Thanks, that's enough of a reason for me to not want to reply to them any further.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 218d
Yep, it's frustrating because the only reason I gently reached out to them while they flipped 180 on China, calling it imperialist and Blue MAGA, was because I thought they were generally more reasonable. A radlib with good political instincts, but someone that could use real organizing work and study. Unfortunately, it seems they became Bad Empanada poisoned, causing them to see enemies out of every ally by finding imperfections and magnifying them.
Doubly frustrating that they blocked me, rather than respond in earnest. Even before they blocked me, they would just respond with unrelated Bad Empanada tweets. I imagine that's how the falling out with Grad and Hexbear happened (Grad banned them as well for liberalism).
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 218d
Abstaining is nothing more than a cowardly way of voting in favor. They have veto rights and they know it will pass if they don't veto it.
Silence is consent in the most literal terms here.
The abstain vote was very useful to filter out those who actually care about human rights from those who only speak about it to further their own cause. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubeCHFGZM-E
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 218d
This is the same logic used by liberals to claim voting for PSL is a vote for Trump, and again, you're upholding Bad Empanada, a known contrarion and transphobe, instead of addressing the actual arguments at hand.
Here's an example of Bad Empanada just shit-stirring:
You also claimed Hexbear are "transzionists," uphold Bad Empanada, and take constant reactionary stances. You blocked me because I correctly called you out, and here is what I said:
Figured it's important for others to know what it is you actually blocked me for. You're correct at least 70% of the time, but the last 30% is marred by letting reaction guide you. You didn't believe China was imperialist prior to the abstention, but the abstention was in line with standard Chinese foreign policy and nothing about China's economy changed from it. Nevertheless, you flipped nearly 180 on that.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 219d
The PRC abstained, they did not vote for it, and I explained why they did so. You responded with a bunch of unrelated Bad Empanada tweets, started calling China "imperialist," and took an extremely non-materialist viewpoint, insulting other users, and upholding Bad Empanada's shit takes. I can and do critique China, but not all critique is good by virtue of existing, which is what I called you out on.
stenAanden@feddit.dk · 1 pts · 216d
What has he done to deserve an apology?
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 220d
Appreciate ya, even if we need different things. Not everyone is gonna want to live life the same way. And thats a good thing.
AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 221d
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 221d
Kind of rude to call him a "chronically online weirdo", TBH.
AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 221d
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 221d
Really working towards the next apology form, aren't you?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 221d
This is just someone who thinks communists are Nazis and generally has a history of trying to insult me personally. You can ignore, nothing they say actually means anything.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 220d
Modlog for them is very telling
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=118419
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 220d
Yep
AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 221d
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 221d
I suggest the following when you fill in the form.
AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 221d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 221d
I can remember things, it doesn't mean I let them impact me.
AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 221d
AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 221d
brown567@sh.itjust.works · -8 pts · 221d
I have him tagged as "Tankie", probably undeserved XD
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 220d
Well he is to the left of Joe Biden, so he is a tankie
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 220d
Considering "tankie" in practice is just a pejorative for those that "support existing socialist projects," then I suppose it's accurate, though I would suggest not marking down "tankies" and instead trying to listen more to what we have to say.
brown567@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 220d
It's a pretty old tag, I tend to keep them around less as a label and more as a "I've had meaningful interactions with this person" sticker
Y'all have definitely rubbed off on me quite a bit since then =)
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 220d
Fair!
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 220d
Tagging users is such fucking reddit brain
billwashere@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 220d
I was of the opinion tankie was just a term given to Russian or Chinese fans/apologists. People that think these governments can do no wrong which is just dumb and naive. And thinking they can do no right is just as naive. As oppressive as the Chinese government can be, they have been at least making some interesting choices in regards to science and technology recently. But people are getting labeled as tankie because of support for socialist ideas? Like government healthcare and social safety nets?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 220d
Nobody genuinely thinks the USSR or PRC can/could do no wrong, but the strawman image of someone who believes that is used as a club against those that uphold them, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK, etc. as validly socialist countries working towards a better future. Healthcare and safety nets are social programs, not socialism, but that's a different conversation.
The point is that those that uphold existing socialism are labeled "tankies," and I uphold existing socialism, warts and all, as genuinely progressive movements.
billwashere@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 220d
Wow that description as “extremely patient and gives very detailed explanations/arguments” is kinda on the nose isn’t it. Good on you for having the time and patience to help educate people.
In my opinion any country legitimately trying to better their people is a good thing. At least way better than trying to enrich the same 10 billionaires over and over again.
I’d consider myself more of a fan of social democracies. Ultimately the problem seems to be that no one is truly altruistic or even future thinking. As a species we are greedy, short sighted, with tiny short attention spans.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 220d
Thanks for the kind words! One thing I want to say, though, is that it's less that humans are greedy, and more that we are shaped by the way we live, produce, and distribute. Capitalism expresses and reinforces greed, we aren't intrinsically greedy. Social democracy, ie capitalism with large safety nets, is unfortunately both unsustainable and also relies on imperialism to subsidize the safety nets, which is why socialism itself is necessary.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 218d
The thing is that nobody actually thinks that, liberals just tell you we think that so you don't engage with out actual positions, because people who engage with our actual positions tend to come around to agreeing with them. It's a classic anticommunist canard.
causepix@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 220d
I have them tagged as "comrade" so it balances out
aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works · -12 pts · 221d
this is a psyop
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml · 29 pts · 221d
Genuinely asking: what do you mean by this?
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 221d