The AI explosion isn't just hurting the prices of computers and consoles – it's coming for TVs and audio tech too
https://www.techradar.com/audio/portable-media-players/the-ai-explosion-isnt-just-hurting-the-prices-of-computers-and-consoles-its-coming-for-tvs-and-audio-tech-too
- The AI-driven memory shortage doesn't just affect PCs
- More capacity is coming, but not before 2027
- Low-margin budget products are likely to be hit hardest
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cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de · 145 pts · 231d
So start making more dumb TVs and speakers. That way they don't need much memory.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world · 77 pts · 231d
I just want a straight up monitor with no built in wifi or Bluetooth or even speakers.
Just display the image I want it to when I want it to.
galaxy_nova@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 231d
Literally this. Let me use my own fucking box and my own goddamn pc how I want with big monitor. Also put DP on it fuck HDMI. I don’t need trackers in my bloody tv OS. My tv has an OS!!! That’s ridiculous. Sorry this is one of those things I’ve always been super pissed about.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 231d
Sceptre
Supervisor194@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 231d
For real, all my TVs are Sceptre. They are not easy to find, but they are incredibly reasonably priced and completely dumb perfection.
If people like us make them popular enough, maybe they'll realize this is a lucrative niche market.
riskable@programming.dev · 6 pts · 230d
Every modern monitor has some memory in it. They have timing controllers and image processing chips that need DRAM to function. Not much, but it is standard DDR3/DDR4 or LPDDR RAM.
LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 231d
I use old dumb tvs as monitors. They don't have the best picture, but are better and cheaper than anything currently for sale.
YourAvgMortal@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 231d
But how will they play ads‽
Tim_Bisley@piefed.social · 9 pts · 231d
Man I'm really dreading buying a new TV. Been going strong with my plasma for years. I don't need any "smart" features in a tv. From what I understand you either get a good TV or a "dumb" TV, pick one.
blitzen@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 231d
But a good tv, and don’t connect it to the internet. Apple TV or Shield device.
adarza@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 231d
televisions of the near future when you first turn them on: "Internet connection and account required to complete initial product set up."
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 231d
I would immediately return that as defective. I'd rather use that old 1980's portable TV that's been collecting dust in my closet since they shut down the analog TV broadcasts.
f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 230d
These already exist. I've also seen some that technically work but have pop-ups complaining about being offline.
kameecoding@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 230d
My TV channels now come in through an app and just recently it started working on my Nvidia shield, still I can't really disconnect the net from my samsung tv because explaining to my father how to use the tv app is already hard, he would not handle using it through the nvidia shield.
chillpanzee@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 231d
Yeah, pretty much. Any decent display on a TV is gonna have all the shit you don't want, but you can (at least for now) just not connect your smart TV to the internet. You;'d have a good TV with the "smarts" neutered. But you're still paying for it.
It's a bit like the ATSC broadcast stack. You likely aren't using it, but the industry still makes you pay for it (and it's not cheap).
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 231d
Dumbtv
ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 231d
Linear components like power amplifiers are made from the same material as digital circuitry, and they use a lot more of it.
Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip · 49 pts · 231d
Here’s an idea.. let’s stop. Let’s just fucking stop with AI?
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 231d
votes for MynameisAllen for president
Now if only we knew their name...
fartsparkles@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 231d
Pretty sure it’s My Name Is All En.
Dr En En En.
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 230d
There's too much imaginary money in AI that tech bros are stealing.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 230d
Good. Maybe we’ll get dumb TVs again.
DannyMac@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 230d
Idk, even the oldest HDTVs used RAM, sadly.
Soup@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 230d
How much, comparatively?
Lenggo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 230d
Ha. judging by how well most of them run even today, not very much
DannyMac@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 229d
I'm not sure. Current "dumb" TVs do actually exist, just search for commercial TVs. All the major brands make them for commercial applications where the end user has no need for traditional smart apps. Sadly, they cost a bit more (but not by a ridiculous amount) and may not have the latest alphabet soup image tech, but they look fine and work great. They still run an OS, but it's stripped down to the bare essentials, usually just settings and input, not usually any apps. If any apps are installed, they're unobtrusive and geared toward their intended purpose. I've been tempted to buy one, but the larger the TV the wider the price gap. The sweet spot seems to be at 65".
sunbytes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 228d
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 231d
I don't even fucking use the smart TV functions as it is. Fuck all that noise.
ViscloReader@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 230d
That's the thing I keep telling people around me. It's not only RAM. Too many critical components have ram.
If you increase RAM, you increase computer prices. (And I'm talking ALL kinds of computer, from microcomputers to desktop to servers)
If you increase computer prices you increase costs for almost everything
TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 230d
riskable@programming.dev · 1 pts · 230d
No shit. There's easier ways to open the fridge.
TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 230d
kameecoding@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 230d
I was thinking how this will affect cars, all of them have a bigass tablet in the middle nowadays
mech@feddit.org · 4 pts · 230d
Modern cars have 90GB of RAM on average.
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 230d
90GB of both RAM+NAND combined. I'm guessing most of it is actual persistent storage for all the stuff the infotainment system uses (including imagery and offline map data for GPS, which is probably a big one), rather than actual memory in the sense of desktop computing.
artyom@piefed.social · 18 pts · 231d
2027 sounds right. No way these fabs don't know this shit is temporary, so unlikely they'll increase production.
Sabin10@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 231d
Unfortunately it's the people between the manufacturers and the consumers that think this current iteration of AI is the future. They even seem to think we want it and can't wait to pay them for it.
artyom@piefed.social · 7 pts · 231d
No one thinks that. Not the hardware OEMs, not the consumers, not the CEOs, not even the investors. It's all just a grift to see how high it can get before it pops.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 231d
I 'member when headphones were just a copper wire to a magnet dressed in plastic, and none of this garbage required memory. Can we go back to that age? Thanks.
TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 230d
sundray@lemmus.org · 8 pts · 231d
And the OEM's are like:
notreallyhere@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 231d
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 231d
cf. Children of Men
coherent_domain@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 231d
Question: will AI eventually hurt CPUs? Like memory companies, the TSMC also only have finite production capacity.
Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 231d
Yes
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 230d
I'm beginning to wonder if AI is actually going to set us back technologically. Certainly it seems to be creating or widening a technology divide.
solrize@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 231d
Why do TV's and audio gear use memory? TV's ok I can sort of understand a little, but audio? That's still analog right? Or anyway mostly analog.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 231d
All digital devices will use some amount of memory. Audio devices are all digital these days and only use a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) to generate the actual audio waveform from a raw sample stream.
On something like a standalone audio amp there still has to be the whole backend to store codec information, menus and settings, and a whole host of other controls and audio processing features that are likely implemented on top of a basic OS and not directly written to a microcontroller. There's more memory than you think.
b_tr3e@feddit.org · 6 pts · 231d
"Codec information" is in ROM or implemented in hardware directly. Even studio quality audio interfaces that are DSP comtrolled will need only relatively small amounts of RAM; relatively slow memory for variable space and slightly faster mem for buffering. Both in the megabyte range and far from the speed that GPUs or AI require.
Damage@feddit.it · 1 pts · 230d
I doubt headphone's MCUs use DDR5 tho
stoy@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 231d
Depends on if you have analog cabled headphones, like the Meze Empyrians or the Philips X2HR Fidelio, then they are analog, but wireless or even digital headphones with USB/Lightning has ram.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 1 pts · 231d
This is probably all like stand-alone Bluetooth speakers and such that have little processors in them. Analog hifi shit isn't going be able to use AI for anything except maybe receivers or something. I guess there might be a use case for using it to balance to a room and set up EQ or something, but these guys don't seem interested in doing anything that would require actual work to develop a real product.
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 230d
Just like those popular 3d tvs right?