A Russian magazine editor claims his publisher demanded he censor a book that mentions homosexuality in animals because it violates the country’s “LGBT propaganda” law.
Viktor Kovylin, editor of the scientific journal Batrachospermum, wrote on Telegram that his publisher told him the descriptions of same-sex behavior in a book on animal sexual behavior were against the law because they did not express “disgust or criticism” for the acts.
“Apparently, neutral scientific descriptions of homosexual behavior, without disgust or criticism, now fall under the category of propaganda for non-traditional relationships!” Kovylin wrote on Telegram, according to a translation.
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affenlehrer@feddit.org · 103 pts · 199d
Can someone explain to me why fascists are so obsessed with homosexuality and transgender topics?
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 64 pts · 199d
Because tolerance requires open mindedness and critical thinking. Two things that undermine a fascists regime when the entire population does that. By banning homosexuality the regime basically tells the people that they shouldn’t think beyond their first gut reaction. It’s okay to hate, it’s okay that the police beats up your gay neighbor, it’s okay to not think about it, it’s okay to not think at all.
affenlehrer@feddit.org · 2 pts · 199d
Hm, I'm not sure. Fascists also sometimes also like their audience to "think differently", e.g. disregard science, "wake up" and see the truth and or connect themselves with veganism and nature.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 199d
Yeah but they still need to forgo critical thinking. They should only think what Big Brother wants them to think, since publicly criticizing that neo paganism ideology would mean you get a visit from the secret police.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 199d
Fascism is syncretic hate. Both things can be and are true. To the hippies they sell the idea of returning to the land and living in harmony with nature (by opposing modern life and the tolerance it encourages), while to the social conservative it proposes either an idealized past or future before or after modern "degeneracy".
It's just a bunch of appeals to emotions where people are trained to ignore most of what is said and only listen to what resonates with them. Eventually they must act, but even that isn't a clean organized thing, it's leadership doing what resonated with them.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 23 pts · 199d
I feel like a lot of fascists try to bake in a lot of hierarchy as the natural order, that this is what nature intended.
Queer people end up being an example that the way nature is isn't as clearly defined as the fascists say it should be
justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 199d
It might be like with witches back in the day. If everybody hates witches, you can call any inconvenient person a witch and dispose them. The other thing is that it alignes with general backwards mentality.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 199d
Seems this is #12 in Umberto Eco's description of fascism and its hatred towards liberal progressivism:
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
Gods I hate how real that is
HurricaneLiz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
Umberto Eco knew wtf he was talking about, he's awesome
Infrapink@thebrainbin.org · 15 pts · 199d
Fascism is a radically conservative ideology obsessed with promotion of (what the fascist sees as) traditional values and behaviours. That includes cisheteronormativity, as queerness isn't traditional anywhere.
affenlehrer@feddit.org · 10 pts · 199d
I think their view of traditions is also very selective. E.g. in Germany they prefer to connect with paganism and scandinavian things and not actual German / Christian traditions.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
It depends. I can't speak to german neonazis, but the original ones had both the volkish paganism and positive Christianity. The former was an attempt to reconstruct pre Christian German religion, but the volkish movement was heavily built on just godawful archeology. The latter was a bastardization of Christianity in a way very similar to what you see in the US these days where the party and its line are core assumptions in interpretation of their Christianity.
That said, yeah the neonazis in America are also really into Norse paganism. I assume it's because of the volkish influence or the big tough manly guy parts, and them not noticing that Odin does magic (which is womanly) and Loki is out there giving birth and siring kids. We also have a fair bit of really progressive Norse pagans here. Idk why but it seems to be the primary reconstructed paganism in the country in my experience.
KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 199d
I mean, isn't it traditional in parts of south/south-east Asia?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
And the Mediterranean… These people will gush about Rome and ignore the gallae, who were similar in role and experience to the hijra
ameancow@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 199d
affenlehrer@feddit.org · 1 pts · 199d
Quite interesting. I have to admit I was a long time incel myself and at the time these ideas would've resonated with me as well. Not hate on gay and trans people but on immigrants since they seemed to be more successful with women than me.
supamanc@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 199d
I'd say that the idolisation of a fictional, ideal which society should strive towards but never achieve, allows focusing of opposition. If it weren't for the gays/trans/gypsies/Muslims/immigrants/unemployed/trade unionists (delete as applicable) then society would be as it was used to be, which is always perfect and better than it is now. Of course as society will never be perfect, there must alway be a new group to blame for failure to meet the necessary ideal.
Flightbird386@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 199d
It's only my theory however; it's comes down to babys and education, if your population is making babys and lots of them at a young age, things like education and quality of life can suffer dues to having to support kids. Lack of education leads you to belie ving in propaganda more easily. Also lack of education makes you more likely to have kids younger and in less than ideal financial situation. More kids with less education, means it's easier to populate a military. Hopefully you get the idea and sweeping generalisations I've made. Now homosexuals and by proxy transgender don't produce children (ignoring adoption etc etc) so they aren't what the dictators want and they also might give the heterosexuals ideas about not have kids, or at least delaying it, getting and education etc etc. then add in a sprinkling of religion, also good to control uneducated masses, and you have the perfect population for dictator/fascist control
Tldr: they want an uneducated baby producing population
affenlehrer@feddit.org · 2 pts · 199d
Sounds plausible but it also a very "long" game, taking at least one additional generation into their teenage years. I guess there are some of them thinking on that level but I have the feeling that the average fascist doesn't plan ahead very far or at has at least a very distorted time perception (e.g. they feel like the white "race" being replaced fearmongering is an urgent topic).
thedarkfly@feddit.org · 4 pts · 199d
OG fascism aimed that everyone participate in building the Nation. Women's role is supposed to be producing children, i.e., future soldiers and workers.
That's the same idea than Christianity. Homosexuality and contraception do not lead to babies, so they are vilified.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 199d
Fun fact, the Hebrews had a belief about gametes that was almost exactly backwards: they believed that men had a limited amount of viable sperm they could produce in their lifetime, while women had no such limitation. This is why the Old Testament condemns male masturbation and gay sex (they waste potential children) but stays silent on the female equivalents.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 199d
My guess is that if you reproduce you're more easily manipulated because of the need to provide for and protect your child.
Bonus points for also introducing a fresh mind ripe for absorbing fascist indoctrination.
FreshLight@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 198d
This right here!
davi@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 198d
it's an avenue for epstein style kompromat
vga@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 198d
Given how western fascists (in some parts anyway) have mostly grown out of their obsession/hatred with homosexuality, it's probably entirely a cultural or a cynical populist thing. They say what they know people will like to hear, and also what they know other people will hate to hear. Anything to keep them in everyone's minds.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 45 pts · 199d
Observing reality violates russian law.
Avicenna@programming.dev · 6 pts · 198d
It is called the russian uncertainty principle. You can either observe the sexual behaviour of animals precisely or have precisely defined ideals but not both at the same time.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 199d
wanna bet a bunch of other countries are working on the same kind of "law"?
antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 33 pts · 199d
So it wasn't legally or expressedly banned by the govt. But in authoritarian fear-based and legally unpredictable states it's not unusual for people to individually take rules even further than technically necessary, to affirm their adherence to the system and to be safe from even the smallest suspicion or most ridiculous accusation.
Might be worth noting that the publisher (Eksmo-AST) is one of the biggest book publishers in Russia.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
The author clarified in an update that this was a sort of a joke from him. The publisher used an AI for legal analysis of the translated book, and AI recommended censoring it, but the publisher didn't require any edits in this regard.
I'm also not sure how much of a ‘scientific magazine’ it is, because ‘Batrachospermum’ is a majorly shitposty name, but fitting for a Telegram channel, from where this info is sourced. They also have a site apparently.
GeneralVincent@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 199d
"Male penguins may exhibit homosexual behavior. However, as the author, I would like to make it clear I would NEVER have gay sex with a male penguin. That's gross. I would only ever have sex with a woman penguin, as Putin would want."
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 199d
"Penguins are part of a interspecies conspiracy to undermine traditional family values(tm), if you see a penguin, arrest it."
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 26 pts · 199d
"Penguins can be, and often are, homosexual. Gross."
Kremlin approved!
foggy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
No homo 🤠
pleaseletmein@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 198d
Professional scientific journal: Here we see a pair of male penguins engaged in sexual behavior. They are icky.
howrar@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 198d
They are icky [1].
References
[1] That LGBT propaganda law
L3mmyW1nks@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 198d
Yeah those are some dirty penguins!
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 199d
This is exactly what conservatives want in America.
It's shocking that it's not 1950 with some of the news we have these days.
Gsus4@mander.xyz · 18 pts · 199d
I'd rather have my kids/friends be gay than being sent to the frontlines to die like a bug for some demented fool.
I'd rather have a gay parade pass by my door every day than have crazy criminal conscripts with PTSD running around free in my neighbourhood.
You don't even have to be a liberal to recognize this.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 199d
I mean, a gay parade would be nice anyway, regardless.
Novaboros@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 199d
TOTALLY NORMAL RESPONSE TO THR NATURAL WORLD I'm a Russian immigrant in Canada, I moved with my family when I was 8 Its fucking embarassing to see how the place of my origin is going backwards in time Some creatures are gay a.f. get the hell over it As this point in time, the more I see the government fighting against the "gay agenda" the more I think Putin is just repressed as hell and wants a boyfriend so bad, but he caaant so no one can either >:| Also; when I lived there, I had a crush on a girl, my sister is Bi and sometimes; my dad says very homo erotic things without noticing, pretty sure he's bi too Didn't need the west corrupting me to turn out queer >:3
SealofLove@leminal.space · 4 pts · 199d
Hey, another Russian immigrant in Canada! I feel embarrassed as well. The West didn't turn me Bi, cute goth girls did. Although you can blame Xena a little bit.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 198d
Xena and Sailor Moon coming out in the same time frame was crazy work
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 198d
I moved to the US from China when I was around 8, my family is so fucking backwards and ableist but luckily I didn't get born into the millions of other families that got stuck in China and their shitty abelism that discriminates against... check notes depression... like jesus christ.
If I were to dress up as a girl, I'm pretty sure my mom would disown me for being "mentally ill"
I know the US Government doesn't exactly have a great reputation, but the people are very progressive and more accepting of LgBT and more mental health aware than China is... in China they literally kicked out an accepted University student because they later discovered his autism diagnosis... jesus christ.
bappity@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 199d
This is an opportunity to maliciously comply with the minimum most sarcastic but not super obviously sarcastic disgust possible
facts facts, facts facts facts, ewwww this is yuckyyyyyy facts facts facts facts
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 198d
I am expecting malicious compliance. "That disgusting member, oozing with precious bodily fluids...thirty inches, that corkscrews deep into the warm depths of the..."
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 198d
Why -again- this obsessive need to know what people do with their peepees?
I am bi. Not that it matters, not that anyone needs to know, but I like more toys than you do, basically. Is that it? Jealousy? You want to play withy toys? I mean, I'd let you if you ask but... You know...
But alas, I know the answer, I know it's religion, and how it's always used to control the masses which mostly are simple minds.
I'm not trying to appear better, I'm not better than anyone else, but at least I'm an atheist and proud of it. Fuck your sick Bible stories and fuck your fairytale religions too.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 5 pts · 199d
“Here we see a pair of penguins displaying homoerotic displays of sexuality and affection.
Filthy nasty behaviour, and so naughty too. Look at em, they indulge in it like it’s the best thing ever. I mean I know I would being a penguin and all…”
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 198d
Old white men with power are weirdos who ruin everything
umbraroze@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 198d
If they are demanding displays of contempt, they should make it mandatory for all articles.
"This article concerns birds. Disgusting. I still cannot believe how low the once mighty dinosaurs have fallen."
Or:
"This article concerns snakes. I'm sorry, but I refuse to take legless creatures seriously."
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
Stories like this are why I chuckle at the "The only thing more powerful than hate is love" memes that are running rampant this morning.
It's like no one's looked out their window recently or ever cracked open a history book.
_Nico198X_@europe.pub · 1 pts · 198d
so insane. XD imagine raging at reality this much. must be exhausting
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
This spits on all those dumb penguin edits lol
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
Adding the russian word for "Gross!" whenever I describe observations that are illegal.
vga@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 198d
There just has to be some fun examples of them maliciously complying with this requirement. Or is that a risky thing to do there?
NutWrench@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 199d
Penguins always do it for fun.
That's because they are not catholic.
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
Neither are the Russians. They're Eastern Orthodox.
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 198d
Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and the Roman church are all catholic, I have been told by a seminarian, but two of them are not roman catholic.