Trump's Plan To Escort Ships Through Strait Of Hormuz Would Put U.S. Navy Warships In The Crosshairs
https://www.twz.com/sea/trumps-plan-to-escort-ships-through-strait-of-hormuz-would-put-u-s-navy-warships-in-the-crosshairs
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flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz · 66 pts · 198d
Did anyone check the definition of a "war" before starting one?
frongt@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 198d
Great, so we can add a "strait of hormuz incident" to the bay of pigs, gulf of tonkin, and other body-of-water-based US military disasters
Gsus4@mander.xyz · 13 pts · 198d
But the war's already started, what does Iran have to lose?
BestBouclettes@jlai.lu · 16 pts · 198d
Let's dump the Trump admin in the Hormuz strait
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 198d
Does Phalanx work for a convoy or just the ship on which it is deployed?
I guess we will also learn how well it works against cheap drones.
I don’t think any of that works well against artillery shells, and oil tankers are not well armoured.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 198d
It works when it's in range. And it'll only occasionally spray allied ships because the Phalanx doesn't check whats behind the target.
crazycraw@crazypeople.online · 4 pts · 198d
gee whiz CIWIS
GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 198d
An American destroyer has a large number of area defence interceptor missiles, not just the CIWS. The question is, will the interceptors be completely effective if Iran is able to launch a saturation attack on them, and will they have enough interceptors left by the time they get out of the shooting gallery. Personally, I think even they aren't stupid enough to try it, but I hope I'm proven wrong.
decipher_jeanne@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 198d
Phalanx is self defense only. The weapons used to protect nearby ships are ESSM and SM-2 missiles. Which should to work fine to intercept cheap drone, artillery and ballistic missiles. (Tho very expressive to intercept artillery with missiles)
The navy has used those systems recently to defend ships during the Houti crisis in the red sea.
grue@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 198d
Huh. I was expecting the strategy to be bombing the sites that would launch attacks on shipping, not to actually escort and try to defend the ships.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 7 pts · 198d
That strategy failed miserably against the Houthis.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 198d
Well see there is the whole issue of Missile Trucks.
Where are they? How many are there? Where are they headed? Which ones are decoys? Where will they deploy to fire?
arrrse@piefed.social · 7 pts · 198d
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 198d
With Iran already being economically isolated for years before this war, there's not enough new risk of further economic damage to cause a market crash.
arrrse@piefed.social · 2 pts · 197d
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 197d
Trump (and Putin) want oil and gas prices to rise. It's Russia's only significant source of foreign currency earnings.
ol_capt_joe@piefed.ee · 5 pts · 197d
Well you see that's where Trump's level of genius shines. Don't shoot the archers, shoot the arrows (it looks way cooler and people think you're so badass).
Sure you might lose a naval vessel or twelve when US capacity to build more ships is really low, but that's a sacrifice this level of genius is willing to make (totally unawares, probably).
xenomor@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 198d
Sweet, let’s watch some navy ships go down.
atropa@piefed.social · 2 pts · 198d
theacharnian@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 198d
Especially after the US torpedoed the Iris Dena? Fun times.
cmbabul@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 198d
There seriously is not enough alcohol for this administration.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 198d
Not with Patel and Kegsbreath chugging it.
Hegar@fedia.io · 5 pts · 198d
How much of our air defensive stockpile do you think our russia backed regime can expend protecting the wealth of the royal house of saud?
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 198d
All of it in a matter of a week or two, easily.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 198d
Other than Israel responding by glassing all of Iran, what's to stop Iran from waiting until the wind is blowing the right way and launching a dirty missile at Israel? If it gets intercepted it still spews nuclear material over the country right?
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 198d
There is nothing to stop this from escalating, I don't think abrupt, nonsensical nuclear war is off the table for the US or Israel and I don't think the centrists of the world are ready for that (which terrifyingly, is really one of the few "gotchas" Trump and Netanyahu have left to flip the script, all the other non-existent international norms people believed in are already destroyed, nuclear weapons are the only one left.).
We have never been closer to nuclear war in my lifetime and it is almost entirely the fault of the US and Israel.
Let me ask you a question, if every accusation is an admission, what is Trump loudly admitting he is about to do?
This conflict leads directly to the use of "tactical" nuclear weapons because this is the first bullshit war in a long time in US history where the existentiality necessity of using nuclear weapons can be invoked without the immediate fear of nuclear retaliation as a consequence, at least according to how the leadership of the US and Israel see it.
There are not many off ramps left here...
Iran could easily end up doing that if things keep escalating, but I think what the US and Israel do will be far more catastrophic for everybody.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 196d
It’s certainly not alarmist to talk about nuclear war with a US president who wanted to nuke a hurricane.
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 198d
4D Chess irl.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 198d
Mrkawfee@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 197d
US warships have already been hit. There is massive censorship in place.