Huh, I was told that kneeling silently while a piece of cloth was displayed and a song was playing at a game - was "disrespecting the troops". I was told that not supporting whatever elective war the conservatives wanted to wage on brown people was "disrespecting the troops". Meanwhile, funding troops when they were back home and their service and/or the war(s) they were in were over....eh, fuhgeddaboutit.
I don't think the conservatives really understand the meanings of words. I guess breaking someone's arm/hand is respecting the troops? As long as it is being done by a conservative?
That seems to be the academic consensus, with regard to right wing authoritarian personalities. They don't seem to have the inner reflection that makes hypocrisy uncomfortable.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
To absolutely no one's surprise, Senator Tim Sheehy is also credibly accused of a form of stolen valor: he discharged a gun in a National Park in 2015 and paid a fine for it, but then claimed in his later memoir that he got that bullet wound in Afghanistan. When challenged, he refused to release any of the medical records that would prove it.
Sheehy also claims that he was discharged from the military because of injuries he sustained on duty, but then some reporter dug up the discharge records and nope, he actually just resigned.
Oh, and he apparently plagiarized several sections of his memoir.
Crap, you posted this in between the time I began and finished posting the same thing.
Hold please.
Sen. Tim Sheehy (R-MT) was accused of breaking the hand of Marine veteran and anti-war activist Brian McGinnis.
During a break in a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on Wednesday, McGinnis put his hand through a hole in the wall to prevent Capitol Police from removing him from the room.
A video recorded by another anti-war activist showed Sheehy getting in on the melee by grabbing McGinnis and attempting to force him through the doorway.
"His hand! His hand! Oh!" one onlooker shouted.
"The senator broke his hand!" someone else exclaimed.
"A US Senator just broke the hand of a Marine," another member of the audience yelled. "A US Senator just broke the hand of a Marine; you're a coward."
Sheehy turned and walked away without successfully dislodging McGinnis.
Genuine [WARNING] if you are squeamish, as best I can tell, at least one bone in the Marine's forearm snapped, and this can be heard, and seen.
... Right before his arm snaps, (which did not seem to affect his ability to grip the door he was clinging to) he shouted "No one wants to die for Israel!"
As best I can tell they are different videos, from different cameras, or at least cut to different lengths, different annotation, etc.
Or... well... they 'were' different videos?
Man, getting memory-holed in real time is really fucking something.
EDIT:
Yeah, yep, in the vxinstagram video, you can see the camera (wo)man who took the video that I watched, the X url video.
At around the one minute mark in the vxinstagram url vudeo, she can be seen on the right, with a phone, dressed in a gray jacket, tan... I'm unsure of the correct name for the headwrap.
Different smartphone videos, from different people.
EDIT 2:
The... the X video has had a ... signficantly clearer video and audio of the moment the Marine's forearm snaps.
The onlookers were generally all further away than that camera was, and ... they were close to being accurate, saying it was his hand.
They likely heard the snap, but probably didn't clearly see the uh, forearm deform, along with that snap.
You can see it in this video from two different angles. All sane americans need to do something soon. I don‘t know what but you need to act fast or you will be fucked beyond your wildes immaginations and with you the rest of the world.
There is zero signs they will do anything effective. They will look on while their democracy is taken away, and USA devolves into a 1 party authoritarian dictatorship.
There are good Americans, but apparently they are unable to act.
Edit PS:
We are now 7 days into the illegal war against Iran, which allegedly is very unpopular among Americans.
But there are still no signs of anybody doing anything or planning to do anything...
Your downvotes don't change the facts, I too wish they would. 🤥
If you saw some of the unfiltered news, you would agree. I have quite a few Iranian friends that are watching their fellow citizens be murdered. but we know that’s not why the USA is doing this.
Also, change Iranian to American and I’m on board. Fuck ICE.
Finally a sane take. I'm so tired of people acting like I support US/Israeli aggression just because I pointed out the brutality of the IRGC and professed support for the New Iran movement/protesters. That was before the invasion even started, on an article about a student protest.
Like, there's no need to pigeonhole everyone into camps where we all have to choose an evil dictator to support and if you don't support my evil dictator then you must be supporting the evil dictators who oppose my evil dictator. There's no need for that mentality.
Humans were supposed to be rational beings capable of complex contextual reasoning. It was what separated us from the animals. But now we're allergic to nuance, and saying things like "All evil dictators are bad and must go" gets you skewered and accused of supporting the wrong evil dictators.
Fuck trump. Fuck netanyahu. Fuck khamenei. Fuck putin. Fuck lukashenko and all the other B-rated evil dictator proxies who seem to be springing up like weeds. Fuck the fallen dictators like assad and bolsonaro. Fuck all the evil dictators. And not the good kind of fucking.
Sue successfully? Probably slim, but there's a chance, seeing as it could be brought in the district of columbia.
Personal opinion? Fuck the entire body of sitting senators and representatives right now. If we had elected representatives who would hold their fellows accountable when they propose insane, or regressive, or asshole spewed, or corporate fucked legislation (and you can imagine whatever you'd like for how they could hold them accountable), then we would have long ago run out of or stopped sending pieces of shit in. They can all sit there and take the interruption that this marine and people like him bring to their 'business' or 'work' as congressmen. Removing him is uncalled for and they deserve every bit of their power and influence (money) being removed from them!
Legalish (I'm no lawyer, obviously) opinion? The marine was interrupting a government meeting, which means he was not welcome any longer in the building/space where the meeting was taking place, and when you are not welcome in a space the people who are allowed to be in that space can use force to remove you from said space if you do not leave (roughly... there's obviously a lot more to it than that, especially in government settings). The individuals involved in the melee here weren't using anything besides pushing/pulling, so it's unlikely you'd see much success with an 'excessive force' lawsuit. I think if they had used a taser, or a baton, or even pepper spray there would be a good, strong case to be made, because he wasn't doing anything but trying to not be moved and it would be pretty apparent to a jury that there was no call for any of those. Even punches or strikes of some kind would be more likely to win... but you'd have to make your case in front of a very sympathetic jury for what we saw to go very far in an excessive force case.
Yeah that's the best part. If you watch the vid, it's clear that the police did most of the damage, but the senator was right in the way "helping" trying to get the "good PR" and he caught all the blame. Absolutely beautiful turn of events!
Except for the marine.... Having your hands broken for telling the truth is brutal. No one wants to die for Israel's wars of aggression.
Except for the marine.... Having your hands broken for telling the truth is brutal.
It was the fulfillment of his oath. Believe it or not, it's what he signed up for. To put himself in harm's way to defend the constitution against enemies foreign and domestic.
He didn't deserve to have it happen, and this doesn't excuse the senator or the police thugs. But he was willing to make that sacrifice and more.
At least, that's what our military should be. Not frothing at the mouth about some armageddon at the behest of a national sellout, grifter, and polyfelon.
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CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 131 pts · 163d
Huh, I was told that kneeling silently while a piece of cloth was displayed and a song was playing at a game - was "disrespecting the troops". I was told that not supporting whatever elective war the conservatives wanted to wage on brown people was "disrespecting the troops". Meanwhile, funding troops when they were back home and their service and/or the war(s) they were in were over....eh, fuhgeddaboutit.
I don't think the conservatives really understand the meanings of words. I guess breaking someone's arm/hand is respecting the troops? As long as it is being done by a conservative?
jtrek@startrek.website · 63 pts · 163d
Many of them know they are using words dishonestly. They don't care. They will say whatever in the pursuit of power.
Some are just legitimately stupid and have no internal consistency beyond emotions.
yakko@feddit.uk · 13 pts · 163d
That seems to be the academic consensus, with regard to right wing authoritarian personalities. They don't seem to have the inner reflection that makes hypocrisy uncomfortable.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 162d
They use whatever words they think will get them what they want. Their intent is not to convey meaning or to seek truth, it's to grab more power.
robocall@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 162d
"Black man dint stand for flag song" - conservatives
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 163d
The math isn't mathing up....
withabeard@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 162d
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 123 pts · 163d
To absolutely no one's surprise, Senator Tim Sheehy is also credibly accused of a form of stolen valor: he discharged a gun in a National Park in 2015 and paid a fine for it, but then claimed in his later memoir that he got that bullet wound in Afghanistan. When challenged, he refused to release any of the medical records that would prove it.
Sheehy also claims that he was discharged from the military because of injuries he sustained on duty, but then some reporter dug up the discharge records and nope, he actually just resigned.
Oh, and he apparently plagiarized several sections of his memoir.
Just another lying GOP coward.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 163d
Nice
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 116 pts · 163d
Crap, you posted this in between the time I began and finished posting the same thing.
Hold please.
The video linked from the article:
https://x.com/alanhe/status/2029301477341061613/mediaViewer?currentTweet=2029301477341061613¤tTweetUser=alanhe
Genuine [WARNING] if you are squeamish, as best I can tell, at least one bone in the Marine's forearm snapped, and this can be heard, and seen.
... Right before his arm snaps, (which did not seem to affect his ability to grip the door he was clinging to) he shouted "No one wants to die for Israel!"
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 42 pts · 163d
The video is already removed here.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 47 pts · 163d
... Wow.
You're right.
... It literally worked minutes ago, I was able to watch it on X, before I posted it, I checked that it worked.
Fuck.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 22 pts · 163d
I downloaded it from the top comment on this post.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 163d
As best I can tell they are different videos, from different cameras, or at least cut to different lengths, different annotation, etc.
Or... well... they 'were' different videos?
Man, getting memory-holed in real time is really fucking something.
EDIT:
Yeah, yep, in the vxinstagram video, you can see the camera (wo)man who took the video that I watched, the X url video.
At around the one minute mark in the vxinstagram url vudeo, she can be seen on the right, with a phone, dressed in a gray jacket, tan... I'm unsure of the correct name for the headwrap.
Different smartphone videos, from different people.
EDIT 2:
The... the X video
hashad a ... signficantly clearer video and audio of the moment the Marine's forearm snaps.The onlookers were generally all further away than that camera was, and ... they were close to being accurate, saying it was his hand.
They likely heard the snap, but probably didn't clearly see the uh, forearm deform, along with that snap.
ZephyrXero@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 163d
Here's a closer angle. https://www.vxinstagram.com/reel/DVek3rIkv-a/
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 163d
Oh I didnt get to see the one posted in this chain unfortunately so thank you for letting me know.
SGGeorwell@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 163d
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 163d
https://youtu.be/3WT39WFuh24?is=NzcF-gyqD-kGGdL8
You can see it in this video from two different angles. All sane americans need to do something soon. I don‘t know what but you need to act fast or you will be fucked beyond your wildes immaginations and with you the rest of the world.
Buffalox@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 162d
There is zero signs they will do anything effective. They will look on while their democracy is taken away, and USA devolves into a 1 party authoritarian dictatorship.
There are good Americans, but apparently they are unable to act.
Edit PS:
We are now 7 days into the illegal war against Iran, which allegedly is very unpopular among Americans.
But there are still no signs of anybody doing anything or planning to do anything...
Your downvotes don't change the facts, I too wish they would. 🤥
ZephyrXero@lemmy.world · 76 pts · 163d
Full video: https://www.vxinstagram.com/reel/DVexfyRAWrn/
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 163d
Fucking scum. She really nailed it when she called them robots, the cowards couldn't even watch
SGGeorwell@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 163d
WOOOOAAHH that ending is absolutely horrifying. Something amazing is going on.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 162d
the senator joined in because he thought he get brownie points for some reason.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 163d
Oh my fucking god.
The woman audibly losing her shit was the only one with a visible conscience; the whole thing is like a demonstration of the banality of evil.
At least there was one sentient human left in the room after they removed the (also sentient) marine.
I'd far rather be the guy with the broken arm and intact honor than one of the ones who couldn't even be bothered to turn around and who just sat there silently listening, even to his arm snap, as they waited for it to be over.
robocall@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 162d
"Respect the troops" - Republicans
"Don't send us to die for Israel's good for nothing war" - the troops
Breaks hand of the troops - Republicans
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 42 pts · 163d
Watch those generals. Thats what they will keep doing.
sik0fewl@piefed.ca · 13 pts · 163d
That was the actual disturbing part of the video.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 162d
Imagine telling congress that no one wants to fight for Israel when it's all anyone in congress fights for.
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · 32 pts · 163d
We have to overthrow this Iranian regime because they brutalize protesters. Or at least that's what I've been told...
Stupidmanager@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 162d
If you saw some of the unfiltered news, you would agree. I have quite a few Iranian friends that are watching their fellow citizens be murdered. but we know that’s not why the USA is doing this.
Also, change Iranian to American and I’m on board. Fuck ICE.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 162d
Finally a sane take. I'm so tired of people acting like I support US/Israeli aggression just because I pointed out the brutality of the IRGC and professed support for the New Iran movement/protesters. That was before the invasion even started, on an article about a student protest.
Like, there's no need to pigeonhole everyone into camps where we all have to choose an evil dictator to support and if you don't support my evil dictator then you must be supporting the evil dictators who oppose my evil dictator. There's no need for that mentality.
Humans were supposed to be rational beings capable of complex contextual reasoning. It was what separated us from the animals. But now we're allergic to nuance, and saying things like "All evil dictators are bad and must go" gets you skewered and accused of supporting the wrong evil dictators.
Fuck trump. Fuck netanyahu. Fuck khamenei. Fuck putin. Fuck lukashenko and all the other B-rated evil dictator proxies who seem to be springing up like weeds. Fuck the fallen dictators like assad and bolsonaro. Fuck all the evil dictators. And not the good kind of fucking.
What's so fucking hard to get about that?
atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 162d
It is true. But this war doesn’t promise relief, only hope. Ali has just been replaced by his son now.
Ilixtze@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 163d
You will die for zionism and you will be happy
Catma@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 163d
Maybe fuck the capitol police too
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 163d
Well duh, all cops
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 162d
They must have fired and replaced all the ones who were attacked on Jan 6, 2021...
Also, look how unrepentant that senator is.
fizzle@quokk.au · 30 pts · 163d
Fuck thats horrifying.
What are the chances this guy can sue?
Edit: also what was he trying to say before they grabbed him? He said no one wants to die for israel at the end right?
NannerBanner@literature.cafe · 12 pts · 163d
Sue successfully? Probably slim, but there's a chance, seeing as it could be brought in the district of columbia.
Personal opinion? Fuck the entire body of sitting senators and representatives right now. If we had elected representatives who would hold their fellows accountable when they propose insane, or regressive, or asshole spewed, or corporate fucked legislation (and you can imagine whatever you'd like for how they could hold them accountable), then we would have long ago run out of or stopped sending pieces of shit in. They can all sit there and take the interruption that this marine and people like him bring to their 'business' or 'work' as congressmen. Removing him is uncalled for and they deserve every bit of their power and influence (money) being removed from them!
Legalish (I'm no lawyer, obviously) opinion? The marine was interrupting a government meeting, which means he was not welcome any longer in the building/space where the meeting was taking place, and when you are not welcome in a space the people who are allowed to be in that space can use force to remove you from said space if you do not leave (roughly... there's obviously a lot more to it than that, especially in government settings). The individuals involved in the melee here weren't using anything besides pushing/pulling, so it's unlikely you'd see much success with an 'excessive force' lawsuit. I think if they had used a taser, or a baton, or even pepper spray there would be a good, strong case to be made, because he wasn't doing anything but trying to not be moved and it would be pretty apparent to a jury that there was no call for any of those. Even punches or strikes of some kind would be more likely to win... but you'd have to make your case in front of a very sympathetic jury for what we saw to go very far in an excessive force case.
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 24 pts · 163d
I don't CARE if we have to Eliminate your Benefits Send you to War or BREAK YOUR ARM HERE we're GOING to FUCK our Troops!
-LITERALLY Republicans!
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 163d
Between Sheehy and Gianforte you start to wonder if Montana has any elected officials that aren't violent pieces of shit.
Echolynx@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 163d
Zooey Zephyr
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 162d
She's in the state legislature, not the federal
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 163d
Someone ought to go beat their asses
iltoroargento@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 163d
That's definitely a start.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 16 pts · 163d
the brown-nosing senator joined in the fight to try to get PR.
Hacksaw@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 162d
Yeah that's the best part. If you watch the vid, it's clear that the police did most of the damage, but the senator was right in the way "helping" trying to get the "good PR" and he caught all the blame. Absolutely beautiful turn of events!
Except for the marine.... Having your hands broken for telling the truth is brutal. No one wants to die for Israel's wars of aggression.
ACAB
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 162d
It was the fulfillment of his oath. Believe it or not, it's what he signed up for. To put himself in harm's way to defend the constitution against enemies foreign and domestic.
He didn't deserve to have it happen, and this doesn't excuse the senator or the police thugs. But he was willing to make that sacrifice and more.
At least, that's what our military should be. Not frothing at the mouth about some armageddon at the behest of a national sellout, grifter, and polyfelon.
stormeuh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 162d
The police works in part at the behest of that senator, he deserves all of the blame.
IratePirate@feddit.org · 1 pts · 162d
Well, now he did.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 11 pts · 162d
I hope Brian McGinnis wins the North Carolina senate seat he is running for. Seems like the type of person who intends to do good.
His opposite number, Tim Sheehy, deserves a prison cell.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 162d
Welcome to the Fascist States of America
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 163d
Someone's getting sued...
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 163d
Average day in the Fascist States
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 163d
That video is wild. Hr just keeps repeating his opposition
kokesh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 162d
No one wants to fight for israel, but everyone (excepts) governments wants to fight those fuckers.
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 162d
tackleberry@thelemmy.club · -38 pts · 163d
What type of post is this?
lolo@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 163d
It’s a news story, from a news site, posted in a news forum online where a lot of people go for news.
iltoroargento@lemmy.sdf.org · 8 pts · 163d
Huh. That's crazy. It's almost as if it's a news piece. Posted in a news community, no less. How interesting.
Sundiata@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 163d
what type of comment is this?
get back in the zionist propaganda brain rot train shinji, you don't belong here.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 163d
Not the brightest are ya?
robocall@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 162d
I'm curious as to why you are asking this question.