He doesn't say he himself is bitchless. To the contrary, he's wondering what it's like to know this which implies he doesn't know which means he did got a girl and is, in fact, bitchfull.
I've always hated this take especially considering how the music industry has a whole genre that specifically refers to women as bitches and no one is ever upset by it and women even dance and sing along to them.
People are in general overly sensitive to words online. One day it was suddenly faux pas to say "retarded". Sorry but why is anybody policing this? If I call someone retarded, it was meant to be an insult.
I miss the Internet of decades prior, where it took at least a room temperature IQ to access it.
People commonly insult stupidity in creative ways. Many forms of "stupidities" are mental illnesses. While you're changing words around, you're essentially still coincidentally insulting what can be considered disabilities, so in the end does it really make a difference? "Retard" isn't a medical term for quite some time now, it is a pure insult. Medical field now says "intellectual disability".
If I say "stop 'tarding around", is it less insulting? What about saying "intellectually disabled"?
I never use the word myself (EDIT: ... Except now), I just sometimes overthink stuff
Ok, but you've done nothing to refute my statement or provide any additional information that's remotely useful. Just slinging ineffective insults that fall pretty flat if I'm honest.
In terms of ableism, I guess that's true to a degree. I definitely consider people of significantly lower intellect to be below me, but that's not to say I don't still treat them kindly and with respect until they've proven they don't deserve it.
The same people who tell me retarded is a bad word now will still casually drop moron or idiot and they're synonyms. People decided retarded was a bad word because it's the one we were using, but now those same people use a synonym and tell me a word is off limits. All they've done is give the word even more weight.
Or coercion, or a bunch of other closely related things. All across history there have been “incentives” for women to lower their standards and to gaslight themselves into believing that their shitty situations were normal.
When do you suppose that what we consider modern humans were able to be capable of mutual consent? What about our ancestors and what we evolved from?
Because, that’s just a tiny fraction of our history, and that doesn’t go back close to even a hundred thousand years. Let alone “hundreds”. None of the times before that could be considered consensual. So yes, of course, you don’t?
Children isn’t even the right word for most of our history as well, It’s offspring.
Animals can deny consent, but not give. You’re also proving their point. Nothing is consensual in the animal kingdom, and humans aren’t hundreds of thousands of years old either.
You are suggesting that not saying no means they give consent, that’s clearly not the metric we use.
Is the word consensual so hard for you to understand? It’s not the same as just consent. It’s mutual consent, not one sided. Lmfao such a “Reddit” thing to ignore words and their definitions to make their point. Look in the mirror mate.
Consent and mutual consent(consensual) are entirely different concepts. The animal kingdom CANNOT provide mutual consent, like your example, that’s denying consent, not mutual consent, and again, try using that metric in today’s age. They specified that in their comment, ignoring it is fallacious.
Or, you’re part of what’s wrong with the world and take not hearing no as yes. Not saying no isn’t consent and never has been!
I mean. This is framed as humor but a lot of people genuinely think this way. Derogatory terms for women aside, if you're not happy by yourself you're not going to be happy with a partner. Unfortunately this is the sort of thing you need to understand on your own and internalize because the kneejerk reaction to someone telling you this tends to be "having a girlfriend/boyfriend/partner actually would make me happier"
Most of them lived in a time where you could just rape a woman and her parents would pay you to marry her to keep them from being publicly shamed and ostracised.
It's fine. I'd consider it immoral to choose to bring a child into this world. Now, adopting one who's already been born, so their existence isn't your fault, that's another story!
I'm not having children either, but antinatalism is so ignorant and we literally wouldn't have lasted this long as a society if people stopped having children every time world conditions were bad (there hasn't been a time in world history where a genocide was not occurring).
Passing moral judgement like this on people who choose to have children is both insulting to their intelligence while also ignorant of the entirety of world history.
Society needs both people with children and people without. You are not better just because you're not having children.
Yeah, that came off a lot harsher than I intended; "immoral" was a poor word choice on my part. I have no qualms with people (who are willing and able to be good parents) having kids; I personally just wouldn't choose to do so.
Society will always have children. But for now it’s set up for rich children. I do judge people a bit for having kids in a society that refuses to offer them basic needs or economic mobility. Basically judge you for your ability to set your kids up for success. Not actually having the kids. But the foundation you offer them.
I think people who have the means (can afford or have access to the resources) to have children and want to have children (as in, not to fix a relationship but actually want to raise children) should have children.
I do have an issue with capitalism making it so that having children is a privilege of the rich, but that is a moral judgement on capitalism as a system, not people having children (some people being forced to by that very system as abortions or contraceptives are not available to them, nor is sex ed).
But to judge someone's morality simply for having a child is arrogant and unfair.
I agree it goes too far. I had a lot of friends in foster care and I think that will be one of those lived biases you find common with the anti-natal crowd.
You're kinda getting into enviro-fascist/eco-fascist rhetoric with the "humans are a cancer" talk.
That's rhetoric often pushed by the ruling class alongside food scarcity talk -- food scarcity that is manufactured by capitalists to convince us that rampant famine and starvation (caused by capitalism) cannot be fixed (it absolutely can given current technology if we stopped spending our resources on pointless wars).
Humans are capable of co-existing with nature quite well, actually, and we did for hundreds of thousands of years. Capitalism has only existed for at most 500 years, and feudalism before it had only been around since the 8th century in the common era.
The way it is is not the way it has always been, and the way it is is not the way it has to be. We are not the cancer, unchecked power is.
Have you tried to have just a regular conversation with women? I mean I seduced my wife by saying 'Hi, how are you' and listening to her. Yes, men and women are not the same but if we treat each other like humans, you can actually have a nice time together.
My wife tells me that's what attracted her to me. She said I could hold a conversation and listen.
Which is also what attracted me to her. She could talk and had her own mind. "Treat each other like humans" seems like an easy ask but I apparently scooped up the best wife ever because nobody had done that before.
"Feminism is nothing more than the radical belief that women are people."
The differences between men and women are largely just fashion and custom. Women have interests, wants, lusts, and dislikes that are as varied as those of men.
Yeah there's a bunch of women I associate with that find me attractive and have either expressed interest in me or told me they would be if not for various external factors. I don't really do anything besides be in pretty good physical shape and go out and be chill towards everyone. It's not too difficult. Trying too hard is where I always ran into trouble.
People are talking like this in their 20s, like people never get married in their 30s or 40s lol. Chill the fuck out, develop skills and hobbies, and love will come.
Yeah, 20-somethings do NOT need to despair, although I would also add: make it a priority if love is something you truly want to find.
I see lots of people talk like this while not taking any active steps, as if the love of their life is going to knock on their door and tell them to stop scrolling and marry them.
I mean, I’ve been married for ten years to a woman who sent me an absolutely unsolicited and unprompted message on OK Cupid, where my profile was so disused I nearly forgot about it.
Sometimes the love of one’s life does just knock on their door and tell them to stop scrolling and marries them.
There have always been people too weird to get laid. And if you're talking like that about the people that "deny partnership" it's a good thing that trait will not procreate further.
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DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 146d
Referring to woman as "bitches" might be part of the problem.
Or, is that the "joke", I don't gen Z humor a lot of the time, it seems.
pigup@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 145d
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 14 pts · 146d
He doesn't say he himself is bitchless. To the contrary, he's wondering what it's like to know this which implies he doesn't know which means he did got a girl and is, in fact, bitchfull.
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 145d
I've always hated this take especially considering how the music industry has a whole genre that specifically refers to women as bitches and no one is ever upset by it and women even dance and sing along to them.
But say it online and ho boy now it's a problem
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 145d
I have always had a problem with it.
fishy@lemmy.today · -6 pts · 145d
People are in general overly sensitive to words online. One day it was suddenly faux pas to say "retarded". Sorry but why is anybody policing this? If I call someone retarded, it was meant to be an insult.
I miss the Internet of decades prior, where it took at least a room temperature IQ to access it.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 144d
When I call you an ableist shithead it is also meant to be an insult. You don’t really need to use slurs to do that, you fuckwad.
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 144d
People commonly insult stupidity in creative ways. Many forms of "stupidities" are mental illnesses. While you're changing words around, you're essentially still coincidentally insulting what can be considered disabilities, so in the end does it really make a difference? "Retard" isn't a medical term for quite some time now, it is a pure insult. Medical field now says "intellectual disability".
If I say "stop 'tarding around", is it less insulting? What about saying "intellectually disabled"?
I never use the word myself (EDIT: ... Except now), I just sometimes overthink stuff
fishy@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 144d
Ok, but you've done nothing to refute my statement or provide any additional information that's remotely useful. Just slinging ineffective insults that fall pretty flat if I'm honest.
In terms of ableism, I guess that's true to a degree. I definitely consider people of significantly lower intellect to be below me, but that's not to say I don't still treat them kindly and with respect until they've proven they don't deserve it.
The same people who tell me retarded is a bad word now will still casually drop moron or idiot and they're synonyms. People decided retarded was a bad word because it's the one we were using, but now those same people use a synonym and tell me a word is off limits. All they've done is give the word even more weight.
you_are_dust@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 146d
He doesn't mean bitches in a disrespectful way. He just means it as a general term for women.
You can have up to 3 Internet fun points if you know the reference.
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 144d
It's quite unclear if you just quoted a movie just for the sake of random reference, or whether you agree and think that way too
Mac@mander.xyz · 0 pts · 145d
How others receive it is not up to him.
you_are_dust@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 145d
It's a Boondocks reference.
FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 146d
You're bitchless because you're single
I'm bitchless because I have a boyfriend
We are not the same
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 144d
But doesn't that make you a..
Elting@piefed.social · 38 pts · 146d
I prefer to think of it as having the bravery to end a bloodline that reaches directly back to the first earth organism. The buck stops here.
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 146d
Depending how far back, pretty sure most weren’t consensual…
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 146d
Are you suggesting there was a time when most children were born from rape?
Soup@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 144d
Or coercion, or a bunch of other closely related things. All across history there have been “incentives” for women to lower their standards and to gaslight themselves into believing that their shitty situations were normal.
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 146d
When do you suppose that what we consider modern humans were able to be capable of mutual consent? What about our ancestors and what we evolved from?
Because, that’s just a tiny fraction of our history, and that doesn’t go back close to even a hundred thousand years. Let alone “hundreds”. None of the times before that could be considered consensual. So yes, of course, you don’t?
Children isn’t even the right word for most of our history as well, It’s offspring.
bleistift2@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 145d
Homo sapiens is around 300,000 years old. That includes the level of intelligence and the capability for social behaviour.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#Evolution
And given that many female animals will violently chase off males who want to mate against the females’ will, ‘consent’ is probably much, much older.
plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 145d
Animals can deny consent, but not give. You’re also proving their point. Nothing is consensual in the animal kingdom, and humans aren’t hundreds of thousands of years old either.
You are suggesting that not saying no means they give consent, that’s clearly not the metric we use.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 145d
plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 145d
Is the word consensual so hard for you to understand? It’s not the same as just consent. It’s mutual consent, not one sided. Lmfao such a “Reddit” thing to ignore words and their definitions to make their point. Look in the mirror mate.
Consent and mutual consent(consensual) are entirely different concepts. The animal kingdom CANNOT provide mutual consent, like your example, that’s denying consent, not mutual consent, and again, try using that metric in today’s age. They specified that in their comment, ignoring it is fallacious.
Or, you’re part of what’s wrong with the world and take not hearing no as yes. Not saying no isn’t consent and never has been!
pedantichedgehog@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 146d
I mean. This is framed as humor but a lot of people genuinely think this way. Derogatory terms for women aside, if you're not happy by yourself you're not going to be happy with a partner. Unfortunately this is the sort of thing you need to understand on your own and internalize because the kneejerk reaction to someone telling you this tends to be "having a girlfriend/boyfriend/partner actually would make me happier"
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 15 pts · 145d
Most of them lived in a time where you could just rape a woman and her parents would pay you to marry her to keep them from being publicly shamed and ostracised.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 145d
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 145d
It's fine. I'd consider it immoral to choose to bring a child into this world. Now, adopting one who's already been born, so their existence isn't your fault, that's another story!
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 145d
Please also consider fostering, you’re badly needed
Banana@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 144d
I'm not having children either, but antinatalism is so ignorant and we literally wouldn't have lasted this long as a society if people stopped having children every time world conditions were bad (there hasn't been a time in world history where a genocide was not occurring).
Passing moral judgement like this on people who choose to have children is both insulting to their intelligence while also ignorant of the entirety of world history.
Society needs both people with children and people without. You are not better just because you're not having children.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 144d
Yeah, that came off a lot harsher than I intended; "immoral" was a poor word choice on my part. I have no qualms with people (who are willing and able to be good parents) having kids; I personally just wouldn't choose to do so.
Banana@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 144d
I appreciate the clarification, I'm sorry if I also came off harsher then necessary, that particular wording just really gets to me.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 144d
No, it was understandable you took it that way because it certainly comes off like that!
TronBronson@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 144d
Society will always have children. But for now it’s set up for rich children. I do judge people a bit for having kids in a society that refuses to offer them basic needs or economic mobility. Basically judge you for your ability to set your kids up for success. Not actually having the kids. But the foundation you offer them.
Banana@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 144d
I think people who have the means (can afford or have access to the resources) to have children and want to have children (as in, not to fix a relationship but actually want to raise children) should have children.
I do have an issue with capitalism making it so that having children is a privilege of the rich, but that is a moral judgement on capitalism as a system, not people having children (some people being forced to by that very system as abortions or contraceptives are not available to them, nor is sex ed).
But to judge someone's morality simply for having a child is arrogant and unfair.
TronBronson@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 144d
There’s nothing more tragic than an unwanted uncared for child in my book.
TronBronson@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 144d
I agree it goes too far. I had a lot of friends in foster care and I think that will be one of those lived biases you find common with the anti-natal crowd.
sudo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 144d
You're just imposing your human superiority like humans ought to/deserve to/need to exist. Humans are a fucking cancer on the Earth.
Can you demonstrate why that is a bad thing? Because your next thought in that sentence seems like a strong argument for why it's good.
Banana@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 144d
You're kinda getting into enviro-fascist/eco-fascist rhetoric with the "humans are a cancer" talk.
That's rhetoric often pushed by the ruling class alongside food scarcity talk -- food scarcity that is manufactured by capitalists to convince us that rampant famine and starvation (caused by capitalism) cannot be fixed (it absolutely can given current technology if we stopped spending our resources on pointless wars).
Humans are capable of co-existing with nature quite well, actually, and we did for hundreds of thousands of years. Capitalism has only existed for at most 500 years, and feudalism before it had only been around since the 8th century in the common era.
The way it is is not the way it has always been, and the way it is is not the way it has to be. We are not the cancer, unchecked power is.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 146d
But your grandpa had a brother that got none. 🙄
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 146d
Is this incel humor? Is it supposed to be funny?
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 144d
There's a reason he's "bitchless," and the reason is listed right there in the first sentence.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 10 pts · 145d
I am just the natural product of generations of slightly queer people having kids until finally my 100% queer ass was born.
But also: I do have a bitch. She's laying on my feet, keeping them warm with her soft fur.
Sp00kyB00k@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 146d
Have you tried to have just a regular conversation with women? I mean I seduced my wife by saying 'Hi, how are you' and listening to her. Yes, men and women are not the same but if we treat each other like humans, you can actually have a nice time together.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 145d
My wife tells me that's what attracted her to me. She said I could hold a conversation and listen.
Which is also what attracted me to her. She could talk and had her own mind. "Treat each other like humans" seems like an easy ask but I apparently scooped up the best wife ever because nobody had done that before.
Sp00kyB00k@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 144d
I am glad for you. In a time where everything needs to be flashy people forget the basics. Basic decency, understanding, empathy and cooking.
Seriously, I got her attention with the talk but got her hand with my cooking.
DomeGuy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 146d
"Feminism is nothing more than the radical belief that women are people."
The differences between men and women are largely just fashion and custom. Women have interests, wants, lusts, and dislikes that are as varied as those of men.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 145d
Yeah there's a bunch of women I associate with that find me attractive and have either expressed interest in me or told me they would be if not for various external factors. I don't really do anything besides be in pretty good physical shape and go out and be chill towards everyone. It's not too difficult. Trying too hard is where I always ran into trouble.
Encephalotrocity@feddit.online · 9 pts · 146d
"... be bothered to put out the barest minimum effort".
Rooskie91@discuss.online · 9 pts · 146d
People are talking like this in their 20s, like people never get married in their 30s or 40s lol. Chill the fuck out, develop skills and hobbies, and love will come.
The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world · 7 pts · 146d
Yeah, 20-somethings do NOT need to despair, although I would also add: make it a priority if love is something you truly want to find.
I see lots of people talk like this while not taking any active steps, as if the love of their life is going to knock on their door and tell them to stop scrolling and marry them.
tanisnikana@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 146d
I mean, I’ve been married for ten years to a woman who sent me an absolutely unsolicited and unprompted message on OK Cupid, where my profile was so disused I nearly forgot about it.
Sometimes the love of one’s life does just knock on their door and tell them to stop scrolling and marries them.
definitely_AI@feddit.online · 8 pts · 146d
I'm kidless- not bitchless. Big diff.
jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 8 pts · 145d
Pretty sure my mother was "bitchless". Though maybe there was a part of her life she never shared with us.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 7 pts · 146d
Same with childless. I'm the first in my entire lineage that will not leave offspring. It feels good.
definitely_AI@feddit.online · 3 pts · 146d
The buck stops with me.
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 144d
Thou maidenless cur are thus for a reason.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 146d
I'm probably murdering my fathers surname if my aunts and sister follow Spanish surname custom since I'm not having kids.
Too bad.
poke@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 146d
:(
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 5 pts · 146d
Unfortunately for you, however, you are maidenless.
thatradomguy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 145d
Hahahaha...haha...
::: spoiler hahaha
:::
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 2 pts · 145d
There have always been people too weird to get laid. And if you're talking like that about the people that "deny partnership" it's a good thing that trait will not procreate further.
CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 144d
"Can't"? I won't, thank you very much. People are gross and life is kinda a hot garbage