In a sensational turn of events in the fight against Chat Control, a majority in the European Parliament voted today to end the untargeted mass scanning of private communications. In doing so, the Parliament firmly rejected the error-prone and unconstitutional surveillance practices of recent years. Pressure is now mounting on EU governments to respect the MEPs’ vote and bury untargeted mass surveillance in Europe once and for all.
51 Comments
bonenode@piefed.social · 188 pts · 185d
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 91 pts · 185d
Everything is temporary.
Political participation is a full-time job, keep the pressure on and the change will endure.
TheNamlessGuy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 183d
spectrums_coherence@piefed.social · 1 pts · 183d
Why have we been talking about EU chat control for years. How many time have this been voted on? and can people just keep popping up chat control if the previous one fail?
theherk@lemmy.world · 140 pts · 185d
What is this? Good news? In this economy? It simply cannot be!
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 18 pts · 184d
This is democracy manifest!
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 184d
Euroooopeeeee!!!
(Well the EU but it sounds less cool).
VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 184d
EUUU! (said like a new jersey mafioso says "eyyy")
drmoose@lemmy.world · 79 pts · 184d
Finally some good fucking news. Now let's make it so there's no 2.0 3.0 etc constantly trying to sneak this in - we need to enshrine privacy into real laws.
Broadfern@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 185d
Yay Europe! Genuinely happy for you folks.
Maybe someday we’ll have freedom and privacy in the US :’)
thorhop@sopuli.xyz · 22 pts · 184d
Halt! You have gone below the mandatory threshold for nationally mandated jingoism. An ICE unit has been dispatched to your location to bring you to the RFK Right-To-Labour camp.
The beating will continue until moral improves.
timwa@lemmy.snowgoons.ro · 7 pts · 184d
It's definitely starting to feel like having your rights enshrined on unalterable tablets of stone, but which must be re-interpreted by a half dozen political appointees holding a seance with the founding fathers every few months, may not be the platonic ideal of governance that Americans are constantly telling the world it is.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 184d
Do nine men interpret? Nine men, I nod.
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 61 pts · 184d
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 57 pts · 185d
Awesome
Can we now put that in some form of European constitution, pretty please with a cherry?
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 6 pts · 184d
Or we put it on a timer and let it bubble up in some months to reevaluate it over and over again. Wouldn't that be fun?
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 38 pts · 184d
I wonder what all these anti-EU russian propaganda bots are going to use now to sow discontent against the EU... lol
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 184d
It was a genuine concern, I am happy with the result
iglou@programming.dev · 6 pts · 184d
Of course. Nothing is black and white. This was a real issue, but still abused by anti-EU propaganda to weaken us.
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 184d
Yes, but Denmark gave the opportunity to do so. We know we have enemies that wnt us divided, why bring such a stupid and controversial piece of legislation forward.
There should be blame put at their door for this, we know the trolls will troll that isnt new.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 184d
Probably pointing out the imperialism. It’s important to listen to your critics because there can be kernels of truth amongst the bullshit.
Tiger_Man_@szmer.info · 7 pts · 184d
russians pointing out imperialism... how ironic
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 2 pts · 183d
Nobody said they had to be morally integer...
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 184d
.ml users crying in their commie blocks
Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip · 33 pts · 184d
Why is it possible to vote for something that is against the constitution?
Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 26 pts · 184d
Yay for the EU! Hopefully you guys get a law that will permanently enshrine your privacy rights (or rights to encrypted chats at least).
jeffep@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 184d
GDPR already exists, but there is no such thing as permanence in politics. Constant struggle
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 184d
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 184d
There is no such thing as permanent laws. And for good reasons.
Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 184d
I mean, yeah, I didn't necessarily mean forever. And you're right. But I hope you get some sort of law that is actually enforceable and has a chance of being useful for as long as it lives to defend you right to privacy.
lb_o@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 184d
Good News! I was so afraid for our future in Europe.
Losing freedoms in our modern times will lead to just another authoritarian state, which will eventually lead to shit.
themurphy@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 185d
Shit, I've heard so much fear mongoring about this for so long. Also on here.
The EU's stance have never been anything other than no chat control. All everyone else have pointed out are proposals not even reaching the votes, or got voted down.
I get that you are afraid that the EU would do it anyway and pass the proposals. But they never did, and even if it got voted for today, it's not even final and needs to go to the council who is openly against it.
But so nice that this is FINALLY put down.
Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus · 37 pts · 185d
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 185d
Glad to know. I'd rather be overly cautious than overly careless about privacy, tho (looks across the Atlantic)
balsoft@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 184d
This is a really naive take - this amendment (which requires message scanning to be targeted) passed with a slim majority and could well have failed. In that case the existing mass surveillance ("voluntary scanning") would probably keep happening at least until 2028.
The council meanwhile is overwhelmingly pro-message-scanning, and they (together with the commission) are the ones who are pushing to break e2e encryption. There will now be talks between the three institutions to decide on how to proceed. Sadly I expect that some "compromise" will be reached eventually.
hector@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 184d
Says the guy overlooking the other trojan horse of age controls being brought inside the walls. Your analysis is not so good.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · -2 pts · 184d
That "trojan horse" is nothing but a paper tiger since age control will be managed in a completely privacy-friendly way. It is a non-issue. So that is why it is being "overlooked"
The check will send nothing more than a yes/no verification, and no other forms of identification.
And the information will be managed by a governmental institute that already has all that information.
hector@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 184d
Jesus christ, you are a mark for some con artist with your naivety, no offense bro. Ha.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · -2 pts · 184d
If you can't understand the technology behind it, please refrain from calling other people names. It makes you look ignorant.
The EU is very privacy focused, as should be apparent with the post you are literally commenting on.
Your russian propaganda holds no power here. It didn't work with chat control, and it won't work with age verification either.
hector@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 184d
gtfo. We all know what age control is in reality. You are playing us, for the oligarchy. Admit it!
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 184d
it seems it is you, that have no idea how technology works. "open source" won't solve being able to prove it does not send anything more it needs, when the implementations will be black boxes, with obfuscated verification software as is recommended by guidelines governmental projects intend to follow, as you can see in this very long thread
additionally, when the laws are accepted, what will you do if the promises turn out to be lies? protest by not using the internet anymore?
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 184d
sorry but you are so naive
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 184d
A lot of lemmings really hate the idea of democracy actually working somewhere in the world.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 184d
Yeah, tankies can't handle it.
ISOmorph@feddit.org · 23 pts · 184d
Good news. However shouldn't that also include online age verification?
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 184d
No, those things can be done in a completely private way.
Drew1718@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 184d
richardwallass@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 184d
The commission always got the last word
Jiral@lemmy.org · 21 pts · 185d
The war over civil rights is continuing, no questions but this has been an important vote against the surveillance state ambitions.
testaccount372920@piefed.zip · 15 pts · 185d
Hell yeah! Great to hear that
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 184d
PokerChips@programming.dev · 13 pts · 183d
They've probably realized that American corporations which are ran by the Epstein class get to sift through all the data
Antaeus@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 184d
Great news!
me_myself_and_I@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 184d
*Officially
greenbit@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 184d
Europe has pressure to shift the narrative from all systems and institutes have been a part of the parasite class goals, to these concessions. "Noo don't collapse us, we are less rigged". But rigged is still rigged
Attacker94@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 184d
Maybe I'm misreading, but it seems like this only applies in the context of sex crimes. I see no reason based upon the wording that they couldn't do it for other things even with this in place
freeman@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 184d
No it says they any scanning must be in the context of sex crimes. It's otherwise prohibited.