So, I just started Babylon 5 and find it to be quite shit actually. Does it get better? It's really just bad acting and not really engaging. I'm 4 episodes in.
Season 5 is worse than 2-4, but not worse than S1. The problem is that B5 was always on the verge of being canceled, and so I think they finished the main story in Season 4, and so there's as much going on in Season 5, except for tying up loose ends and finishing character arcs. So, they added weak filler shit like the colony of rogue telepaths.
Season five is fucking great when you know the circumstances. This was a show with a meticulously planned five year arc. They abruptly got told "yeah nah, we're cancelling you end of s4". So a massive, massive rewrite to roll up and finish off the Shadow war and just after they pulled it off "actually the ratings pulled up, you can have your fifth season"
With no more arc.
So they pulled the entire fifth season out of their arses in a very short span of time. With no more story to tell. And you know what? It's a fuckin' testament to the skill of those involved it turned out half decent
If I was recommending somebody how to watch B5 for the first time, I'd probably just say to skip the first season (as well as the pilot). In my opinion, Commander Sinclair is the weakest link in the acting, and he leaves after the first season. His replacement is a very good actor, in my opinion.
Also, as far as acting goes, Ambassadors Mollari and G'Kar get more screen time as the series progresses, and I think they're both great actors.
The first season does have a lot of background that sets up later seasons, and I've grown to like it, but I've seen the entire series probably over 10 times now, and for the first 3-4 times, I disliked the first season.
Nice, i was hoping to hear something like this! I'll just stick to it. At the moment I'm enjoying a 2nd run of The Expanse, so I'll likely pick up Babylon 5 after that.
It is a joke compared to the three mentioned. It's one series with a few shitty tv movies vs three whole franchises with multiple series, movies, books etc. that are all known by everyone, it's very much not the same.
They actually had one in the works then covid happened and then it was in development and then networks collapsed and studios ate each other and now the whole things in development hell
This is only because spanish doesn't like repeating "a" sounds like laagua would have since it can create ambiguity in the sentence. If agua was la agua the words would probably eventually end up smushed together making lagua instead.
Other romance languages have words that really change gender tho. I think Italian and Romanian do. Arguably they are neuter but have in singular masculine endings and in plural feminine or was it the other way around
I have always seen the soft/hard sci-fi as a sliding scale. I imagine it is like the mohs scale for minerals with diamonds as a 10.
Stuff like 2001 A Space Odyssey is a solid 10 until after HAL is shutdown and even with the bizarre ending it is fully in the "sufficiently advanced tech is indistinguishable from magic" and still something like 8.5-9
Star Trek is pretty good about being internally consistent and having day to day stuff be pretty grounded but there is so much purely nonsense trecknobable that I only consider it a 6 out of 10.
Very different story and world but I would rate Stargate about the same. Maybe actually a bit higher. Mostly because it is a newer series that was better able to track its own weird stuff it had claimed and keep it consistent.
Star Wars something like 4.5. still gets ok because of mostly internal consistency but definitely leans strongly the fantasy elements that are mixed in.
As much as I like ragging on some Star Trek series, at least they're not Stargate series.
Stargate had this thing where they pretended to be extremely serious but in reality they were about as serious as their spiritual predecessors Sliders and Quantum Leap.
It has to be so much fun to be an actor playing a Goa'uld. Forget subtlety, canonically your character is truly irredeemably evil by nature, born with the memories of a thousand Hitlers. As an actor, you just get to let it all out and let the evil freak flag fly. I bet Peter Williams had an absolute blast.
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slazer2au@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 143d
Meanwhile, Babylon 5
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 143d
"They may have a point" -Farscape
https://i.imgur.com/o48l3Ww.gif
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 4 pts · 143d
What the Harvey?
BillyClark@piefed.social · 22 pts · 143d
The best Star Trek series was Babylon 5, just like how the best Star Trek movie was Galaxy Quest.
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 143d
I thought the best Star Trek series is The Orvil?
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 143d
The best modern one, yes.
CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 143d
I couldn’t get into The Orville. Seemed rather presumptuous that you can apply human morals to aliens.
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 142d
You mean like in Star Trek?
Then I suggest something like Farscape.
CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 142d
I feel like Star Trek did it better? They didn’t say Vulcan’s shouldn’t have Pon Farr, they worked together to solve the situation.
Ibuthyr@feddit.org · 8 pts · 143d
So, I just started Babylon 5 and find it to be quite shit actually. Does it get better? It's really just bad acting and not really engaging. I'm 4 episodes in.
PastelKeystone@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 143d
The first season had the TV execs meddling to make it be like ST:TNG because they wanted to mimic the popular thing at the time.
The writer got his way starting in season 2 and got to tell his story without the meddling.
Yes it gets better is what I’m saying. 🙂
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 143d
And then in season 5 it gets way worse. Those middle three are alright, though.
BillyClark@piefed.social · 3 pts · 143d
Season 5 is worse than 2-4, but not worse than S1. The problem is that B5 was always on the verge of being canceled, and so I think they finished the main story in Season 4, and so there's as much going on in Season 5, except for tying up loose ends and finishing character arcs. So, they added weak filler shit like the colony of rogue telepaths.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 139d
Season five is fucking great when you know the circumstances. This was a show with a meticulously planned five year arc. They abruptly got told "yeah nah, we're cancelling you end of s4". So a massive, massive rewrite to roll up and finish off the Shadow war and just after they pulled it off "actually the ratings pulled up, you can have your fifth season"
With no more arc.
So they pulled the entire fifth season out of their arses in a very short span of time. With no more story to tell. And you know what? It's a fuckin' testament to the skill of those involved it turned out half decent
BillyClark@piefed.social · 7 pts · 143d
If I was recommending somebody how to watch B5 for the first time, I'd probably just say to skip the first season (as well as the pilot). In my opinion, Commander Sinclair is the weakest link in the acting, and he leaves after the first season. His replacement is a very good actor, in my opinion.
Also, as far as acting goes, Ambassadors Mollari and G'Kar get more screen time as the series progresses, and I think they're both great actors.
The first season does have a lot of background that sets up later seasons, and I've grown to like it, but I've seen the entire series probably over 10 times now, and for the first 3-4 times, I disliked the first season.
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 141d
Sinclair is a good actor. He was just on the mental decline during filming.
Ibuthyr@feddit.org · 2 pts · 140d
Nice, i was hoping to hear something like this! I'll just stick to it. At the moment I'm enjoying a 2nd run of The Expanse, so I'll likely pick up Babylon 5 after that.
autonomous@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 142d
M137@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 143d
It is a joke compared to the three mentioned. It's one series with a few shitty tv movies vs three whole franchises with multiple series, movies, books etc. that are all known by everyone, it's very much not the same.
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 143d
B5 has a bunch of books too and there was B5 Crusade as its spinoff series which got Fireflyed.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 141d
Does that means it's making a comeback as well
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 139d
They actually had one in the works then covid happened and then it was in development and then networks collapsed and studios ate each other and now the whole things in development hell
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 141d
They had an animated film in 2023 called The Road Home so they had a head start
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 139d
Lmao last b5 movie was released in 2023
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 143d
TIL I’m genderfluid.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 143d
Just like water in Spanish: el água / las águas.
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 143d
That fucking hurt my eyes. Agua aguas, no tilde there.
kingofras@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 143d
¡Es ño tilde señor!
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 143d
Graçias¡!
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 143d
In Spanish is called tilde, in English you don't have a name for that so I use the Spanish name.
kingofras@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 143d
In English “á” is just an accentuated a, where a tilde is “~”
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 141d
It's called an acute accent.
Janx@piefed.social · 1 pts · 139d
¿Por qué hay una tilde en mis pantalones?
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 143d
Make me. Actually, make my Portuguese auto corrector. I dare you.
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 143d
Make you what? Now Portuguese? Are you ok?
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 143d
Chill, dude. It's a joke.
teft@piefed.social · 2 pts · 143d
This is only because spanish doesn't like repeating "a" sounds like la agua would have since it can create ambiguity in the sentence. If agua was la agua the words would probably eventually end up smushed together making lagua instead.
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 143d
Other romance languages have words that really change gender tho. I think Italian and Romanian do. Arguably they are neuter but have in singular masculine endings and in plural feminine or was it the other way around
teft@piefed.social · 35 pts · 143d
OP forgot an older one:
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 143d
FinalRemix@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 143d
Firefly?? Farscape?
MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 143d
The collective fandom of Star Fox looks at one another awkwardly.
SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 143d
We don't talk about the furries.
Not because we don't like them, but because that shit's complicated
FinalRemix@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 143d
It was never the same once Fox had to gather bafomdads...
charonn0@startrek.website · 14 pts · 143d
My champion:
aeiou@piefed.social · 12 pts · 143d
but where does that leave dune
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 143d
Or Battlestar Galactica
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 142d
Where it's always been, sitting on the Foundation trilogy's shoulders, while in turn supporting the rest of the whole genre on its own shoulders.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 141d
In the sand, most likely.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 143d
There are only two genders! Sci-fi and fantasy! And I lay with both!
minfapper@piefed.social · 11 pts · 143d
Battlestar won't stand for this indignation!
CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 143d
I'm so fluid right now.
Nomad@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 143d
Is it too much to want them all?
groucho@lemmy.sdf.org · 8 pts · 143d
Meanwhile, in the cool sector of the universe:
magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 142d
You'd have to be a real smeg head to do that.
kinther@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 142d
I mean, as long they clean it in between uses
Jhogenbaum@leminal.space · 8 pts · 143d
I'm pretty sure Stargate is a slur when used this way.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 143d
The split is hard sci-fi / sci-fi fantasy.
Thrawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 143d
I have always seen the soft/hard sci-fi as a sliding scale. I imagine it is like the mohs scale for minerals with diamonds as a 10.
Stuff like 2001 A Space Odyssey is a solid 10 until after HAL is shutdown and even with the bizarre ending it is fully in the "sufficiently advanced tech is indistinguishable from magic" and still something like 8.5-9
Star Trek is pretty good about being internally consistent and having day to day stuff be pretty grounded but there is so much purely nonsense trecknobable that I only consider it a 6 out of 10.
Very different story and world but I would rate Stargate about the same. Maybe actually a bit higher. Mostly because it is a newer series that was better able to track its own weird stuff it had claimed and keep it consistent.
Star Wars something like 4.5. still gets ok because of mostly internal consistency but definitely leans strongly the fantasy elements that are mixed in.
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 143d
Does this mean I'm non-trinary?
night_petal@piefed.social · 7 pts · 143d
What about Lexx?
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 139d
Furries
Hupf@feddit.org · 1 pts · 142d
Mmh, kinky!
BillyClark@piefed.social · 6 pts · 143d
As much as I like ragging on some Star Trek series, at least they're not Stargate series.
Stargate had this thing where they pretended to be extremely serious but in reality they were about as serious as their spiritual predecessors Sliders and Quantum Leap.
absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz · 11 pts · 143d
I guess you haven't watched SG then. They are just at the right level of taking themselves seriously and taking the piss.
Some episodes are very serious, others are pure silliness.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 143d
I mean, they had some pretty serious moments. But the villains were cartoonishly villainous.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 143d
Unlike this guy.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 143d
Oh he absolutely is. But when it comes to a competition of who channels classic moustache twirling hijinx the best, I think Apophis takes the cake.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 143d
It has to be so much fun to be an actor playing a Goa'uld. Forget subtlety, canonically your character is truly irredeemably evil by nature, born with the memories of a thousand Hitlers. As an actor, you just get to let it all out and let the evil freak flag fly. I bet Peter Williams had an absolute blast.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 143d
Speiser0@feddit.org · 5 pts · 143d
Where is Raumpatrouille Orion?
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 143d
What about Starhunter?
(please don't tell me I'm the only one who ever watched this absolute trashfest of a series 😅)
librekitty@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 143d
if i pick starcraft, does that make me non-trinary?
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 6 pts · 143d
"What's in your pants?"
"5x5, in the pipe."
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 143d
Warhammer 40k kicks in the door
Thorry@feddit.org · 3 pts · 143d
Indeed
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 143d
"We can't call it the Enterprise..."
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 143d
Indeed, engage RAWRGWAWGGR
red_sock@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 143d
Of the four "Star" franchises: Wars, Trek, -gate, and Search, "-gate" is easily my third favorite.
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 3 pts · 143d
Taleya@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 139d
But which of them is submissive and breedable? Discuss.
smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 143d
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -9 pts · 143d
Leave that air force propaganda show off this list.
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 7 pts · 143d