Kind and cherished FOSS and computing freedom advocate @sleepyowl (Joyce Ng) has gone missing

Her blog post: https://bitowl.online/about Link to the post in the screenshot: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116249815879392312

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NGC2346@sh.itjust.works · 106 pts · 157d (8 replies)

We are starting to attract evil attention that sees FOSS as an obstacle to their desired surveillance state worldwide. This is why they're infiltrating open source projects and kidnapping others.

ageedizzle@piefed.ca · 17 pts · 157d (7 replies)
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ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 157d

Ever since the invention of open source. Even industry standards such as the original RSA were intentionally ratfucked by malicious state actors.

rbos@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 157d (3 replies)

The XZ thing was almost certainly some nation state actor, imo.

ageedizzle@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 157d (2 replies)
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umbrella@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 157d
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bilb@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 157d

If you have an hour, this video from Veritasium about it is pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoag03mSuXQ

NGC2346@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 157d

Yes check the XZ Utils situation from like 2024

degen@midwest.social · 11 pts · 157d

The Nix project has some unfortunate support that made it's way to some level of influence if I'm not mistaken. Its sort of like enshitification 2.0 but with fascism instead of money.

Inb4 WhAtStHeDiFfErEnCe

pastermil@sh.itjust.works · 88 pts · 158d (3 replies)

Dafuq man, that's some hairy shit

partofthevoice@lemmy.zip · 43 pts · 158d (2 replies)

Yeah, that’s a lot to take in. Did she live in Singapore and is the assumption that Singaporean authorities carried out the abduction? Singapore isn’t a member of Five Eyes, though, but could this work like extradition treaties do? And why the hell is Five Eyes looking at FOSS devs?

ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 57 pts · 158d (1 reply)

The US has done kidnappings in other countries before.

joelfromaus@aussie.zone · 24 pts · 157d

There was a pretty famous Venezuelan one recently.

Crozekiel@lemmy.zip · 80 pts · 158d (12 replies)

Unfortunately not the first time either. Reminded me of Naomi Wu.

Telorand@reddthat.com · 81 pts · 158d (10 replies)

Who, for anyone unaware, is mostly safe at this time.

She was visited by government goons and basically had her entire activism and tech business confiscated, and she said that anyone who wants to support her should purchase the tourist tech-buying guide she's produced over the years. She also said that any further content on her YouTube should be considered suspect, as she's not going to be making more videos for the foreseeable future.

ETA: she has also said that she has the ability to leave China, but because her partner can't, she's opted to stay, because she's also a cool human being.

Crozekiel@lemmy.zip · 35 pts · 157d (5 replies)

While I hope that is true, the only thing we know is she hasn't been active online since July 2023, and that was a text post to Twitter. It's terrifying to think that we will never really know if she is safe or not. I recall several people in the 3d printing space that had previously regularly spoken to her that also mentioned she went radio silent in private as well.

Telorand@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 157d (1 reply)

I wish I had saved those comments' sources, but it took some digging to find them. Apologies to anyone who wants or expects those, but I'm not going to spend time looking again.

Nevertheless, they are out there, and anyone with the drive should be able to find them. I don't imagine she's made much other public commentary, since that would put both her and her partner in danger, so I'm not surprised she's been radio silent since then.

Crozekiel@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 157d

Most everything in your comment is from her "last" tweet, which oddly doesn't show up if you look at her profile on twitter.

https://x.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/1677480809450835969

Ok for those of you that haven't figured it out I got my wings clipped and they weren't gentle about it- so there's not going to be much posting on social media anymore and only on very specific subjects. I can leave but Kaidi can't so we're just going to follow the new rules and that's that. Nothing personal if I don't like and reply like I used to. I'll be focusing on the store and the occasional video. Thanks for understanding, it was fun while it lasted. 7:52 PM · Jul 7, 2023

DeadDigger@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 157d (1 reply)

Hmm big Clive on YouTube reviewed some uv products from her last year if I remember correcty so she is building up different businesses and is still known by other members of the community

Crozekiel@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 157d

That's good to know, thank you for mentioning it!

xnx@piefed.social · 1 pts · 155d

She posts on another account. Shes safe

bad1080@piefed.social · 12 pts · 157d (3 replies)

purchase the tourist tech-buying guide she’s produced over the years

do you have a link for that?

xnx@piefed.social · 3 pts · 155d (1 reply)
bad1080@piefed.social · 2 pts · 155d

thank you!

Telorand@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 156d

I don't, and I didn't think to save it, because it wasn't a book I was planning to buy (even though I'd like to). What I can tell you is that its a guide to help English speakers know what to look for when buying directly in China (and what to avoid). It's kind of like a specialized translation guidebook. She was a co-author.

Eldritch@piefed.world · 16 pts · 157d

She was a great ambassador in the tech space. Her last couple of videos were some of the most personal ones she did. And her criticisms were very mild. But the government can't acknowledge their failures or tolerate any criticism. Considering the vulnerable situations of her and her partner. Both being members of minority groups groups the CCP oppresses and targets. Her stepping back was necessary for their safety. Though fortunately there have been a few that have visited the region and spoken to her since the government threats. She's getting by with her maker skills etc. But considering the active cultural genocide. I don't look to see her making content for sometime if ever again. Unless there's a massive change in government.

She could have been a wonderful representative for her country and done a lot to dismiss a lot of the criticisms they receive. Instead, their treatment of her confirmed many of the criticism they receive.

goodboyjojo@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 157d (2 replies)

I like Foss software. This sounds like something that would happen in a cyberpunk thriller movie

hash@slrpnk.net · 86 pts · 157d (1 reply)

wereg@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 157d
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carrylex@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 157d (2 replies)

Ok not sure how such a post got so many upvotes...

She has not really much to do with open source or at least that's not verifiable anywhere:

  • no recent activity on GitHub
  • A total of 5 commits on Codeberg.... about designing an USB stick

Also she was active on Mastodon 3 days ago.

This person most likely is spontaneously disconnected from the net. Maybe the internet is down at her location because lightning fried the router, maybe she fell down the stairs and is in hospital, maybe she's on vacation or - after having read through the about site - got some mental help, because not blocking and posting about people that send you creepy text messages to give them a wider platform is itself weird...

Who knows?

But starting a search on all social media will likely not bring them back either.

Maybe contact their family or other friends or visit them, I think that would be a lot more productive.

prenatal_confusion@feddit.org · 2 pts · 155d

Thanks for this

southernwolf@pawb.social · 1 pts · 157d

It's unfortunate this is the second lowest upvoted comment on the post (currently), as this is almost certainly the correct answer.

rottenmummy@lemmy.ml · 28 pts · 158d

WTF

TrippinMallard@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 157d

Sounds like a scare tactic. This will only embolden the community.

francois@jlai.lu · 4 pts · 155d

It wasn't a false alarm but she's back https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116257348164580770