To be fair, Aragorn was no slouch with that bow when they were fighting their way out of the Mines of Moria. Maybe he was an archer all along who just got overshadowed by Legolas and spec'd late into longsword to be a good party member.
I think Aragorn was just “the guy”. He’s good at everything because he’s awesome, and we’re ok with it because he’s also a really good person. This is not at all a complaint, just what it seems to be.
I would sometimes shake things up and go mostly staff with a sling. The sling is hilariously entertaining on many fronts. It's not really a big damage weapon, but with called shots life gets fun. Headshots? Yup. Knocking out guards? Indeed. Breaking that vial of potion to release the spell/fog/acid? Bingo.
Sneaking a ranged weapon into town? Have fun with that heavy crossbow, I'm just wrapping the sling around as a belt. Ammo? Sling stones are fabricated, but any old rock can improvise.
While the longbow / longsword ranger is just classicly awesome, a sling / (something) is worth giving a try.
In a mud, I played a fisher cat person, whose only weapon skill was a sling. And boy howdy if you were accurate animals just fucking dropped. I'd usually hunt rabbits with it and they could be one shot kills. The deer like creatures would usually take a few hits but I once got a headshot and it was just gone. No slowly walking towards it while slinging, it was just down.
I agree, play the class how you want, it’s one of the major appeals of the game
I remember the first time I encountered systems that aren't strict class + level, and realizing I had so much more freedom to make the ideas I had. D&D (and close relatives) are surprisingly anti-creative.
My partner is playing their first real D&D campaign after years of doing one-offs here and there, and the closed nature of classes and leveling is really tripping them up.
Narratively, it makes sense that their barbarian would want to take some druid levels. But mechanically, they're making the game a lot harder than it needs to be.
Right? It's so coarse. You can't take wild shape without also getting full spell casting. The game is full of stuff like that. No fine control. Also huge opportunity costs. Dip into another class? Enjoy not getting your second attack for weeks of real life time.
The coarse bundling probably good for some kinds of beginner players, but it's really restrictive.
Many people see the word "range" inside of "ranger" and mindlessly assume that it must mean they do ranged attacks. But actually, the word ranger is originally the past tense of the word "ringer", so they're the guy who you temporarily brought into your party to win some bet, but then they stuck around afterwards and became a permanent member.
You don't need to look up any etymology because the word "ringer" is plainly a noun and so it doesn't have a past tense. I really thought the joke was so obvious that it wouldn't need any explanation, especially when posting to a memes community that would be expecting jokes.
I think that if you post anything remotely clever, it all depends on the first vote. If the first vote is an upvote, everybody will look at it as if it might be clever, because it's upvoted. If the first vote is a downvote, everybody expects it to be stupid.
I think that's one of the reasons why Reddit had a feature that would hide votes for a while, because that first vote is so powerful.
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krank55@feddit.org · 50 pts · 136d
i agree, but what makes Wolverine and Bardin rangers? imo they're more like barbarian and fighter
tdawg@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 136d
wolverine is 100% just a barbarian with a Canadian accent
ephrin@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 136d
You already said he was a barbarian. No need to be redundant.
ohnomorelemmy@piefed.social · 19 pts · 136d
Bardin's job was literally ranger.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Bardin_Goreksson
krank55@feddit.org · 7 pts · 136d
cool, didn't know that
thanks!
tgirlschierke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 136d
Either it's actual wolverines or I need to read more comics.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 135d
I think op is just assuming rangers are the only ones who can track people, which Logan is skilled at.
scops@reddthat.com · 29 pts · 136d
To be fair, Aragorn was no slouch with that bow when they were fighting their way out of the Mines of Moria. Maybe he was an archer all along who just got overshadowed by Legolas and spec'd late into longsword to be a good party member.
Soup@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 136d
I think Aragorn was just “the guy”. He’s good at everything because he’s awesome, and we’re ok with it because he’s also a really good person. This is not at all a complaint, just what it seems to be.
azimir@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 136d
I would sometimes shake things up and go mostly staff with a sling. The sling is hilariously entertaining on many fronts. It's not really a big damage weapon, but with called shots life gets fun. Headshots? Yup. Knocking out guards? Indeed. Breaking that vial of potion to release the spell/fog/acid? Bingo.
Sneaking a ranged weapon into town? Have fun with that heavy crossbow, I'm just wrapping the sling around as a belt. Ammo? Sling stones are fabricated, but any old rock can improvise.
While the longbow / longsword ranger is just classicly awesome, a sling / (something) is worth giving a try.
Next up: atlatl barbarian!
RebekahWSD@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 136d
In a mud, I played a fisher cat person, whose only weapon skill was a sling. And boy howdy if you were accurate animals just fucking dropped. I'd usually hunt rabbits with it and they could be one shot kills. The deer like creatures would usually take a few hits but I once got a headshot and it was just gone. No slowly walking towards it while slinging, it was just down.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
Kender Rangers. They take the whole 'professional traveling nuisance' shtick to a whole new level of commitment.
_druid@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 136d
I agree, play the class how you want, it's one of the major appeals of the game. But a ranger built for archery is a lot of fun to play.
jtrek@startrek.website · 11 pts · 136d
I remember the first time I encountered systems that aren't strict class + level, and realizing I had so much more freedom to make the ideas I had. D&D (and close relatives) are surprisingly anti-creative.
tmyakal@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 134d
My partner is playing their first real D&D campaign after years of doing one-offs here and there, and the closed nature of classes and leveling is really tripping them up.
Narratively, it makes sense that their barbarian would want to take some druid levels. But mechanically, they're making the game a lot harder than it needs to be.
jtrek@startrek.website · 1 pts · 134d
Right? It's so coarse. You can't take wild shape without also getting full spell casting. The game is full of stuff like that. No fine control. Also huge opportunity costs. Dip into another class? Enjoy not getting your second attack for weeks of real life time.
The coarse bundling probably good for some kinds of beginner players, but it's really restrictive.
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 136d
Happy cake day!
blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 136d
Aragorn is an archer. Most shots of him fighting focus on swordfighting though because it allows danger to be closer.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 11 pts · 136d
Rangers should have things that help at range. Ergo, Sorcerers and Wizards that cast Magic Missile are rangers. 😌
Imma make a PC that's a Yosemite National Park Ranger who is very confused about how they ended up in Faerun.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 136d
I never missed a shot with magic missile. Can your ranger say the same?
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 14 pts · 136d
Yes. My ranger has also never missed a shot with magic missile.
5too@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 136d
Brian below linked the etymology - but a ranger for Tolkien was pretty close to a park ranger: someone who wandered the woods keeping things safe.
BillyClark@piefed.social · 10 pts · 136d
Many people see the word "range" inside of "ranger" and mindlessly assume that it must mean they do ranged attacks. But actually, the word ranger is originally the past tense of the word "ringer", so they're the guy who you temporarily brought into your party to win some bet, but then they stuck around afterwards and became a permanent member.
brian@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 136d
not sure if you were being serious or something, but that's straight incorrect.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/ranger
BillyClark@piefed.social · 11 pts · 136d
You don't need to look up any etymology because the word "ringer" is plainly a noun and so it doesn't have a past tense. I really thought the joke was so obvious that it wouldn't need any explanation, especially when posting to a memes community that would be expecting jokes.
varden@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 136d
Yeah I was surprised to see the down votes, that was some top notch shitposting
BillyClark@piefed.social · 6 pts · 136d
I think that if you post anything remotely clever, it all depends on the first vote. If the first vote is an upvote, everybody will look at it as if it might be clever, because it's upvoted. If the first vote is a downvote, everybody expects it to be stupid.
I think that's one of the reasons why Reddit had a feature that would hide votes for a while, because that first vote is so powerful.
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 136d
Poe's Law, friend.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 136d
*ahem*
^RANGERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RACIST^
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 3 pts · 136d
That's elves, and dwarves, and humans, and orcs, and goblins.
Halflings and gnomes are above such things.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 136d
Every race has prejudices. Rangers have Favored Enemy mechanics
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 3 pts · 136d
Would they be worth making a favored enemy if they were inferior? Obviously not! It's a compliment, really.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 136d
Mmmmm yes, you see gnomes are the REAL racists or else I wouldnt be so good at murdering them 😂
captain_oni@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 130d
Just ask a gnome what they think about kobolds, see how that goes
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 1 pts · 130d
That doesn't count because they're right
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 134d
100% actual canon truth.
Logh@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 136d
Now I want a green stuff blanket too.