Ceasefires agreements always seem to start in a future date/time... it must be awkward to look at the watch and be like "the ceasefire hasn't begun yet, KEEP SHOOTING!"
Imagine dying 1 second before the ceasefire begins... 💀
I think about the battle of New Orleans during the war of 1812 a lot for that exact reason. The war was over for weeks and they had no idea. Over 300 people died and thousands of casualties for nothing. To make matters worse, it made Andrew Jackson popular
There was one weird agreement. During WW1, the Pope declared that a Christmas ceasefire should happen. Obviously, the Pope has no such power in these matters and the diplomats around the world failed to turn the Popes wish into any real ceasefire.
But then, a bit of Christmas magic happened. It turns out that WW1 soldier conditions were so shit, that many soldiers wanted to go against orders and proceed with the Christmas ceasefire anyway (as an act of rebellion against their commanders).
Legend has it that soldiers picked Still Nacht (aka: Silent Night), it being one of the few bilingual Christmas Carols. If both sides in the trenches started to sing the song, you knew it was safe to partake in the ceasefire, allegedly with another confirmation of Oh Come All Ye Faithful (another Christmas carol).
This all proves one thing. It's not the leaders or diplomats that really matter per se with ceasefires. It's the soldiers at the bottom. If they refuse to shoot, then the ceasefire will happen. With orders, or (in the Christmas miracle...) sometimes AGAINST orders.
It's not a complete miracle, as some reports of fight / killing still happened during the Christmas Ceasefire. But there are reports of hundreds of thousands of French, British, and German soldiers exchanging Christmas gifts (coffee and other trinkets), playing soccer and more. So it largely was a success.
It's worse than that. Often things pick up significantly because that could be where the lines get drawn. The end of WWI was really bad right after they signed ths treaty but before hostilities ended.
That and I also read reports that people don't want the hassle of bringing back the ammunition. So it's better to just blindly shoot them than you having to stack them on a train
Sadly though, there are situations where things go like: "Yeah it's ceasefire and all that, but we're going to KEEP SHOOTING anyway." Just search news articles for "ceasefire violated" and you'll see what I mean.
To some governments, ceasefire agreements seem to follow the opt-in logic. "Yeah, we've got this agreement, but it's opt-in, so feel free to carry on as usual."
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Forgottengoldfish@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 148d
Imagine dying in a battle that occurred after the war ended but before the news reached the frontline.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 148d
I think about the battle of New Orleans during the war of 1812 a lot for that exact reason. The war was over for weeks and they had no idea. Over 300 people died and thousands of casualties for nothing. To make matters worse, it made Andrew Jackson popular
LeapSecond@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 148d
Imagine being isolated and not believing the news for months like the Spanish soldiers in the Philippines
dragontamer@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 148d
There was one weird agreement. During WW1, the Pope declared that a Christmas ceasefire should happen. Obviously, the Pope has no such power in these matters and the diplomats around the world failed to turn the Popes wish into any real ceasefire.
But then, a bit of Christmas magic happened. It turns out that WW1 soldier conditions were so shit, that many soldiers wanted to go against orders and proceed with the Christmas ceasefire anyway (as an act of rebellion against their commanders).
Legend has it that soldiers picked Still Nacht (aka: Silent Night), it being one of the few bilingual Christmas Carols. If both sides in the trenches started to sing the song, you knew it was safe to partake in the ceasefire, allegedly with another confirmation of Oh Come All Ye Faithful (another Christmas carol).
This all proves one thing. It's not the leaders or diplomats that really matter per se with ceasefires. It's the soldiers at the bottom. If they refuse to shoot, then the ceasefire will happen. With orders, or (in the Christmas miracle...) sometimes AGAINST orders.
It's not a complete miracle, as some reports of fight / killing still happened during the Christmas Ceasefire. But there are reports of hundreds of thousands of French, British, and German soldiers exchanging Christmas gifts (coffee and other trinkets), playing soccer and more. So it largely was a success.
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 148d
And the generals made sure it never happened again.
Murse@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 148d
Sabaton did a song about that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPdHkHslFIU
grue@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 148d
So did The Royal Guardsmen, sort of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh-J4GSPgAM
SGforce@lemmy.ca · 35 pts · 148d
It's worse than that. Often things pick up significantly because that could be where the lines get drawn. The end of WWI was really bad right after they signed ths treaty but before hostilities ended.
garth@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 148d
"Let's go, boys! Big push before the finish!"
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 148d
Last chance to pad those stats and get some sweet medals.
Wrufieotnak@feddit.org · 3 pts · 147d
That and I also read reports that people don't want the hassle of bringing back the ammunition. So it's better to just blindly shoot them than you having to stack them on a train
AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 148d
All quiet on the western front. Tells the story of exactly this.
kambusha@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 148d
Came here to say this. The recent movie was a solid adaptation of the book too.
7uWqKj@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 147d
What no it wasn’t
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 148d
Such is the end of All Quiet on the Western Front
remon@ani.social · 8 pts · 148d
Declaring it to have started in the past would be even more awkward as it would be immediately broken by people unaware that it existed.
TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 148d
Sadly though, there are situations where things go like: "Yeah it's ceasefire and all that, but we're going to KEEP SHOOTING anyway." Just search news articles for "ceasefire violated" and you'll see what I mean.
To some governments, ceasefire agreements seem to follow the opt-in logic. "Yeah, we've got this agreement, but it's opt-in, so feel free to carry on as usual."