Only after she "served" long enough to ensure lifelong benefits
She's a moron, and a grifter
She hasn't grown a conscience, she's just hoping that she's not one of the first against the wall when the idiots she claimed to represent come with their pitchforks
I think she's sincere. Trump's whole candidacy in 2016 was based on destroying Jeb Bush by associating him with the Iraq war and how Americans need to spend money at home, not on "stupid wars in the Middle East". So he has done a 180 on that, like he just talked about how we can't pay for day care because we need money for the Iran war. For voters that were taken by this lie it's understandable that they would have vertigo.
Did any Nazis you mentioned show any remorse? I think she's sincere, too. I don't think she should hold public office anytime soon, but she's not seeking it, so far.
I don't think MTG is an incorrigible monster. I think she was a useful idiot who is waking up to that fact. I still don't think she should be in public office, though.
Why am I saying all this? It simply seems to me that many US citizens are quite obvious still unaware that their government - and indeed the majority of the billionaires who actually hold the reins - are textbook fascists.
No argument against this. Most are stubbornly denying that Democrats are part and parcel of the fascist regime.
My issue is, she was wrong. But she's now admitting that. She should probably face sanctions and community service, but any more than that will discourage coming to terms with the truth, and speaking about it publicly. The biggest perpetrators going unpunished is heinous, so get them removed from society, them deal with the truth tellers who came to the truth late.
1-Was always reasonable and was just doing this stupid hateful act to gain power on Trump's coat tail.
2-Is truly the hateful idiot we came to know and is putting on this reasonable facade to be on the "right side of things" when the Trump shit show comes to an end.
Either way, she's a grifter and cannot be trusted.
People don't just grow a brain and some decency overnight.
I too think she's sincere. But I also think those people on soapboxes saying "the end is nigh!" Are also sincere. I honestly even think Trump is often sincere. He said everything out loud. Nothing he's done is surprising, he was honest about all the awful shit he would do if re-elected. And he's done everything he can to make that reality. Just because someone is sincere in what they're saying doesn't mean they don't suck ass or that their words come from a sudden awakening or some kind of growth. Hell, she might have leaned left the whole time and just went right in public to get a long term seat in an easily winnable district as long as she's red and bonkers. With people like that you can't trust ANYTHING they say, ever. And if they suddenly change course, it's even more suspicious.
I too think she's sincere...
With people like that you can't trust ANYTHING they say, ever. And if they suddenly change course, it's even more suspicious.
Someone who looked at Trump's words and actions for years and cheered for almost all of them does not have the capacity to say or do anything selfless, such as in this case she expects us to believe she really cares about the damage he's doing to... Literally everything. She has us shown repeatedly she does not care, and she's been shown to prioritize her bigotry over literally every other concern. Where have you been if you can think she's even capable of sincerity?
According to the new testament, Jesus did not "die" so his people can be forgiven "once". According to that idiotic fairytale, his people can be forgiven over and over (unless they insult that 1 specific ghost). This means they can rape children and then be forgiven, they can help a genocide and then be forgiven, they can make the biosphere unlivable and then die with everything else but if they say the magic words just before they die - they go to blissful heaven.
Honestly, she's been saying stuff like this for a little wild now. It's fucking wild that the right wing has a voice of reason. (Or at least In regards to a few very specific topics) Even crazier that it's the Jewish-space-lasers lady.
Hearing the coherent and understood ideas that she is claiming about Trump is like hearing the stoner in calculus give a right answer that has complexity and nuance - they never seemed to pay attention so to hear them cogently reply with a perfect summary is surreal.
She's right because she is trying to take control of the right and become the MAGA 2.0 leader. None of the GOP think MAGA does with Trump and they are fighting for what remains after he's gone.
She's a turncoat and still a bad person, but I’m all for it. Some of the narcissists think switching team is more advantegous, thus creating a rift, pulling in opposite directions, weakening MAGA's power, showing the whole world that there can never be any sort of unified MAGA.
It’s everywhere, not least of all in Trump instating and firing underlings at will.
A grander picture emerges (lack of coherence, personal gain over policy etc) and I hope to doG more and more Trump voters can see it.
And taken at face value (yes yes, I know) I actually like most of her statement.
Nope, nope, nope. She's just pointing her crazy bullshit in a different direction. He changed sides, she's still her crazy self on the same side just throwing that crazy at her own teammates.
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FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 121d
Only after she "served" long enough to ensure lifelong benefits
She's a moron, and a grifter
She hasn't grown a conscience, she's just hoping that she's not one of the first against the wall when the idiots she claimed to represent come with their pitchforks
AltMediaGuy@altmedia.house · 25 pts · 121d
I think she's sincere. Trump's whole candidacy in 2016 was based on destroying Jeb Bush by associating him with the Iraq war and how Americans need to spend money at home, not on "stupid wars in the Middle East". So he has done a 180 on that, like he just talked about how we can't pay for day care because we need money for the Iran war. For voters that were taken by this lie it's understandable that they would have vertigo.
DandomRude@piefed.social · 37 pts · 121d
Maeve@kbin.earth · 3 pts · 121d
Did any Nazis you mentioned show any remorse? I think she's sincere, too. I don't think she should hold public office anytime soon, but she's not seeking it, so far.
DandomRude@piefed.social · 6 pts · 121d
Maeve@kbin.earth · 0 pts · 121d
I don't think MTG is an incorrigible monster. I think she was a useful idiot who is waking up to that fact. I still don't think she should be in public office, though.
DandomRude@piefed.social · 3 pts · 121d
Maeve@kbin.earth · 1 pts · 121d
No argument against this. Most are stubbornly denying that Democrats are part and parcel of the fascist regime.
My issue is, she was wrong. But she's now admitting that. She should probably face sanctions and community service, but any more than that will discourage coming to terms with the truth, and speaking about it publicly. The biggest perpetrators going unpunished is heinous, so get them removed from society, them deal with the truth tellers who came to the truth late.
AltMediaGuy@altmedia.house · 1 pts · 121d
alright. Well at the very least move her down on your list of "people to kill".
DandomRude@piefed.social · 10 pts · 121d
Dwayne_Elizondo_Mountain_Dew_Camacho@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 121d
I'll put it this way.
She either:
1-Was always reasonable and was just doing this stupid hateful act to gain power on Trump's coat tail.
2-Is truly the hateful idiot we came to know and is putting on this reasonable facade to be on the "right side of things" when the Trump shit show comes to an end.
Either way, she's a grifter and cannot be trusted.
People don't just grow a brain and some decency overnight.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 121d
If you trust her, then you are doing exactly what they want you to
This is about dialling bsck the vicious hatred once they know how far they can push it, and then waiting that to become the new baseline
Then they'll push it again
That's how the Overton window works, and how stupid Americans think the Dems are "left wing" when by every metric they're very far right
Americans as a people are stupid on their best day due to the indoctrination and ruination of the education system
Deliberate and transparent plays like this are a shameful symptom of this
I don't blame you, OP, but I'm disappointed
zeet@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 121d
Hell hath no fury like a faithful idiot scorned
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 121d
I too think she's sincere. But I also think those people on soapboxes saying "the end is nigh!" Are also sincere. I honestly even think Trump is often sincere. He said everything out loud. Nothing he's done is surprising, he was honest about all the awful shit he would do if re-elected. And he's done everything he can to make that reality. Just because someone is sincere in what they're saying doesn't mean they don't suck ass or that their words come from a sudden awakening or some kind of growth. Hell, she might have leaned left the whole time and just went right in public to get a long term seat in an easily winnable district as long as she's red and bonkers. With people like that you can't trust ANYTHING they say, ever. And if they suddenly change course, it's even more suspicious.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 1 pts · 121d
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P00ptart@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 121d
What I'm saying is she's sincere with her qualms but not sincere with her moral position.
oatscoop@midwest.social · 1 pts · 121d
God damn flip-floppers
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 121d
Someone who looked at Trump's words and actions for years and cheered for almost all of them does not have the capacity to say or do anything selfless, such as in this case she expects us to believe she really cares about the damage he's doing to... Literally everything. She has us shown repeatedly she does not care, and she's been shown to prioritize her bigotry over literally every other concern. Where have you been if you can think she's even capable of sincerity?
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 121d
Lupus108@sh.itjust.works · 46 pts · 121d
How elegantly she absolves herself of any complicity.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 121d
It would be shocking if a Republican ever admitted to being wrong even in the most minor of ways.
Avicenna@programming.dev · 35 pts · 121d
"Our president is not a Christian"
No shit, I guess you were confused because of his pedophilia.
Wiz@midwest.social · 4 pts · 121d
"Rich Christians are allowed a little pedophilia, as a treat."
Akido37@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 121d
PunnySN@piefed.social · 21 pts · 121d
Spineless coward. She could have been saying all of this as a member of congress with the weight of her vote behind it.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 121d
She attacked Trump when she was still in congress. To win next election you need to demagafy people and you need republicans to speaks against Trump
PunnySN@piefed.social · 1 pts · 121d
I think she should have finished her term, she is just trying to set herself up for a post Trump world, not an actual fighter
mrdown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 121d
It she can demagafy some people that's all I care about
MJKee9@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 121d
She isn't a coward, per se.... She's just saying normal shit because it benefits her in some way. The same reason she said the insane shit previously.
piccolo@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 121d
Ah, just another case of TDS. Didnt she get the memo? Wars are cool as long the mango says it is.
Jack@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 121d
According to the new testament, Jesus did not "die" so his people can be forgiven "once". According to that idiotic fairytale, his people can be forgiven over and over (unless they insult that 1 specific ghost). This means they can rape children and then be forgiven, they can help a genocide and then be forgiven, they can make the biosphere unlivable and then die with everything else but if they say the magic words just before they die - they go to blissful heaven.
LSNLDN@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 121d
Yeah fuck traditional theists ngl
blindpuskas@piefed.world · 9 pts · 121d
I never thought I’d ever agree with anything this woman said.
OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 121d
Honestly, she's been saying stuff like this for a little wild now. It's fucking wild that the right wing has a voice of reason. (Or at least In regards to a few very specific topics) Even crazier that it's the Jewish-space-lasers lady.
CPMSP@midwest.social · 8 pts · 121d
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 121d
Hearing the coherent and understood ideas that she is claiming about Trump is like hearing the stoner in calculus give a right answer that has complexity and nuance - they never seemed to pay attention so to hear them cogently reply with a perfect summary is surreal.
She's right because she is trying to take control of the right and become the MAGA 2.0 leader. None of the GOP think MAGA does with Trump and they are fighting for what remains after he's gone.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 121d
She's a turncoat and still a bad person, but I’m all for it. Some of the narcissists think switching team is more advantegous, thus creating a rift, pulling in opposite directions, weakening MAGA's power, showing the whole world that there can never be any sort of unified MAGA.
It’s everywhere, not least of all in Trump instating and firing underlings at will.
A grander picture emerges (lack of coherence, personal gain over policy etc) and I hope to doG more and more Trump voters can see it.
And taken at face value (yes yes, I know) I actually like most of her statement.
nieceandtows@programming.dev · 2 pts · 121d
Looks like Dems traded Fetterman for MTG.
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 121d
Nope, nope, nope. She's just pointing her crazy bullshit in a different direction. He changed sides, she's still her crazy self on the same side just throwing that crazy at her own teammates.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 121d
No matter how many times she renegs on everything she ever said or did, never forget what an absolute garbage human it is you're looking at.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 121d