There is a stereotype about Arch users using every opportunity they can to mention they use arch. He is implying they would be more likely to accept the hardware survey for this reason
The funny part is more people who don't use arch bring up arch at this point. Nix OS has become the distro that users always tell everyone they use it.
I assume the person you replied to was insinuating Arch users are probably more likely to do the survey because they are vocal about sharing their choice of OS
I've stopped booting into my Windows partition roughly a year ago. I don't play games with kernel level anticheat and the rest works for me. Even VR. Even on NVIDIA.
Also doing my part. Fuck Microsoft. It would have been a harder choice if Windows was, like, fast, stable, and efficient. But it's not. It's jank and AI slop. Fuck them.
Though I'll say that after I finally switched (as win 10 end of life loomed and win 11 looked worse even before copilot was integrated into everything), I regretted waiting so long. Just going through the install process without the whole "oh and of course you want these other things shoved down your throat, either now or later" and not needing to immediately dig through the settings because a design philosophy was "the user is stupid and needs to be protected from their own mistakes" and their other design philosophies for their UIs seem to be drawn weekly from a hat.
Note that the jump isn't quite as big as this would suggest. There were a large number of Chinese users for Chinese New Year. It is no longer Chinese New Year. In the previous month Chinese users were overrepresented, and in the current month Chinese users are ... I don't know.
Yeah, I take any of the sudden jumps with a grain of salt, figuring it's due to cybercafes getting more surveys or something like that. It usually bounces back the next month. The overall trend is more interesting to me than the specific numbers.
I'm doing my part! Switched from Windows 11 to Linux (Fedora KDE) earlier this month and I'm never looking back. Peace out, Jabronies. And by Jabronies, I mean the windows dev team. And also their leadership. Why was I looking at spinning loading circles in the start menu? Are they permanently high over there? How much crack did they get with breakfast?
Ok, but, hear me out, Mint and Ubuntu are down stream of Debian. Like, realistically, you can build any distro using the package manager it’s built on.
Debian is highly problematic for gaming. It can do it, and depending on games you play and the hardware you could never see a single issue. But back ported updates and the general lag time makes even mint and Ubuntu have frequent problems or poor support for new releases.
So it's highly unsurprising that it doesn't show up in a survey focused in gamers.
Isn't it randomly batched out to the whatever like 18 million steam users every day and it automatically collects it?
I've never manually input my system specs into a steam hardware survey. Idk why you'd think people can lie or why using publicly collected data frequently and across a massive population makes someone an idiot.
That begs the question of whether or not people who refuse surveys are biased towards any particular OS. I'd guess they'd be more likely to use Linux than Windows, so the actual percentage is probably higher. But, unfortunately they are difficult to study.
Though not impossible. First ask if they prefer Windows or Linux. Then ask them if they are willing to participate in a study.
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ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip · 40 pts · 119d
I'm doing my part! (I use arch btw, among others)
NecroticEuphoria@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 119d
I wonder if people who use Linux also decline doing the hardware survey more often than Windows users, skewing the numbers even more?
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 25 pts · 119d
I suspect it's actually the opposite. Linux users want more and better Linux support, so they want to show that it's being used.
Daefsdeda@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 119d
I think it compensates cause you have many I use arch btw people.
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 119d
Should arch users not count for some reason or am I missing something?
Anivia@feddit.org · 27 pts · 119d
There is a stereotype about Arch users using every opportunity they can to mention they use arch. He is implying they would be more likely to accept the hardware survey for this reason
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 116d
Oh yeah lol
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 117d
The funny part is more people who don't use arch bring up arch at this point. Nix OS has become the distro that users always tell everyone they use it.
Arch has become rather normie.
dditty@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 118d
I assume the person you replied to was insinuating Arch users are probably more likely to do the survey because they are vocal about sharing their choice of OS
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 119d
Nobody skews numbers more than Microsoft so more power to the Linux users.
Link@rentadrunk.org · 9 pts · 119d
I do! I mainly use Linux but if the survey pops up when I’m on Windows I always decline it.
graynk@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 118d
I've stopped booting into my Windows partition roughly a year ago. I don't play games with kernel level anticheat and the rest works for me. Even VR. Even on NVIDIA.
Prizefighter@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 118d
I'm proud to represent part of the 5%.
jtrek@startrek.website · 11 pts · 118d
Also doing my part. Fuck Microsoft. It would have been a harder choice if Windows was, like, fast, stable, and efficient. But it's not. It's jank and AI slop. Fuck them.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 117d
Though I'll say that after I finally switched (as win 10 end of life loomed and win 11 looked worse even before copilot was integrated into everything), I regretted waiting so long. Just going through the install process without the whole "oh and of course you want these other things shoved down your throat, either now or later" and not needing to immediately dig through the settings because a design philosophy was "the user is stupid and needs to be protected from their own mistakes" and their other design philosophies for their UIs seem to be drawn weekly from a hat.
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 119d
Note that the jump isn't quite as big as this would suggest. There were a large number of Chinese users for Chinese New Year. It is no longer Chinese New Year. In the previous month Chinese users were overrepresented, and in the current month Chinese users are ... I don't know.
Also, link for the hardware survey. https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
davel@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 119d
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 117d
Yeah, I take any of the sudden jumps with a grain of salt, figuring it's due to cybercafes getting more surveys or something like that. It usually bounces back the next month. The overall trend is more interesting to me than the specific numbers.
Chee_Koala@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 119d
I'm doing my part! Switched from Windows 11 to Linux (Fedora KDE) earlier this month and I'm never looking back. Peace out, Jabronies. And by Jabronies, I mean the windows dev team. And also their leadership. Why was I looking at spinning loading circles in the start menu? Are they permanently high over there? How much crack did they get with breakfast?
VoxAliorum@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 117d
I did the bingo game for this year and one of my bets was 6% share until end of the year :) looks like I am winning boys!
Atomic@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 118d
Seems like it wasn't long ago they broke 4% seems to be growing very quickly
Squidious@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 118d
I am surprised that Debian didn't make the list under "Linux". It's all Arch, Ubuntu, and Mint. Everything I run here is Debian and MX.
megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 117d
Ok, but, hear me out, Mint and Ubuntu are down stream of Debian. Like, realistically, you can build any distro using the package manager it’s built on.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 117d
Debian is highly problematic for gaming. It can do it, and depending on games you play and the hardware you could never see a single issue. But back ported updates and the general lag time makes even mint and Ubuntu have frequent problems or poor support for new releases.
So it's highly unsurprising that it doesn't show up in a survey focused in gamers.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 119d
How much of that is from Steam Decks?
Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com · 5 pts · 118d
About a quarter of it I think. But the Steam Deck population is not growing as quickly as the rest of Linux
Linux started to explode in growth back in October with the Win10 EoL, and it's still going
Hawke@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 119d
Ever on, indeed.
paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 117d
That's one in nineteen people btw! Nothing to scoff at! :D
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 117d
Do you mean 1:19? Or that the actual value is 5.26%, which would give 1/19 instead of 1/20?
paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 117d
The percent value is about 5.3%, which is a tad better than 1 out of every 19 (1/19).
1/20 = 5%.
1/19 = 5.26%
1/18 = 5.56%
gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 117d
That's one of those things that, at least for me, sounds wrong when read but having whipped out the ol' calculator is correct. Wild.
Something about ~5% not being 1/20 always seems... Sus...
DreamAccountant@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 117d
It's an optional survey where anyone can lie or opt out for any reason. If you take "Steam Survey" data seriously, you're a fucking idiot.
FatherPeanut@pawb.social · 6 pts · 117d
Doesn't mostly every survey have that pitfall?
gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 117d
Isn't it randomly batched out to the whatever like 18 million steam users every day and it automatically collects it?
I've never manually input my system specs into a steam hardware survey. Idk why you'd think people can lie or why using publicly collected data frequently and across a massive population makes someone an idiot.
Your way of interacting online seems unhealthy.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 117d
That begs the question of whether or not people who refuse surveys are biased towards any particular OS. I'd guess they'd be more likely to use Linux than Windows, so the actual percentage is probably higher. But, unfortunately they are difficult to study.
Though not impossible. First ask if they prefer Windows or Linux. Then ask them if they are willing to participate in a study.
ddplf@szmer.info · 1 pts · 117d
Ah! What a thunderous display of dork anguish!
moopet@sh.itjust.works · -10 pts · 119d
What next, demolishing the 6% barrier? "Linux desktop usage on the rise according to one specific metric" is a perfectly snappy title.