Palantir posted a manifesto that reads like the ramblings of a comic book villain
https://www.engadget.com/big-tech/palantir-posted-a-manifesto-that-reads-like-the-ramblings-of-a-comic-book-villain-181947361.html
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recently_Coco@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 154 pts · 120d
So I'm reading basically:
yes draft
yes eugenics
yes war
yes religion
no free anything
no social services
no shaming rich people
no cultural humility
Also, the definition of "peace" in there is suspect
Zephorah@discuss.online · 60 pts · 120d
You have to understand. The billionaire class is the master race, somehow ordained by God. We owe them.
That and Jonathan Swift’s A Modest Proposal ( a short read ) is something of a handbook for Thiel, if I’m understanding released ramblings of the guy on his speech tour.
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 120d
It continues to astound me that rich so-called Christian people ignore important parts of the Bible ...
BranBucket@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 119d
Never underestimate people's ability to ignore inconvenient information.
datavoid@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 119d
...Presumably written by someone looking to keep a population poor / profit off them
kinsnik@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 120d
i think it is more:
AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 119d
Basic necessities contingent upon obedience to the billionaires. Don't like it? Tough shit. Take what we give you, and keep any complaints locked in that empty, non-rich hat rack you call a head. In fact, we mandate that you smile and thank us as we pass you by on the street, grateful that we have granted you the privilege of another day of living. But be mindful, we can revoke that privilege any time it so pleases us.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 119d
Tut! As if they would deign to tread upon soiled (shudders) commoner's ground, or suffer the indignity of having such lowly eyes gaze upon them. Ugh! /s
Reminds me of of a good joke:
"My lord, the workers are revolting!"
"Well stop staring at them then!"
AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 34d
You know there was an opinion piece I read in the Guardian about the reason the wealthy love private jets. It's because of the reduced number of human "touch points". They yearn to glide through life without ever interacting with another real human.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 119d
You forgot "yes to more bribes to politicians"
Ruigaard@slrpnk.net · -4 pts · 119d
I'm definitely not pro eugenics (or pro Palantir and billionaires), but that was not what I read in there. Taken on itself it had some merit to engange in discussion. I don't agree with a lot of the points, of the tweet but there are, in my opinion, some are pretty valid. "The ruthless exposure of the private lives of public figures drives far too much talent away from government service." for instance.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 119d
You are a fool if you think this means anything beyond eliminating public accountability of the actions of the government
dogslayeggs@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 119d
While maybe not eugenics, it is 100% white nationalist.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 119d
I think in a normal society, such ideas could be engaged with and weighed and measured as you say.
However right now, we're in a ridiculous parody-like peak of modern corruption and shameless greed.
These screeds are written to sound intelligent in order to welcome this "debate of ideas" and lower our guard, but simply by the context of those pushing them, we know it's just another attempt at manipulation and manufacturing consent, in order further farm the poor to enrich the rich.
It's just mental ransomware: It's constantly hammering us looking for any open port, any vulnerability, any slip-up, so it can take everything from us and rent basic humanity back to us with interest.
Ruigaard@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 118d
Fair enough, I'm myself am from the netherlands (where polarisation and rise of the far right does happen, but we still have some semblance of normalcy and social welfare and cohesion), so my context is a bit different. That's maybe why I saw the merit of discussing some of these points.
But you are right, this coming from an AI surveillance company CEO and all the other weird shit happening in the US, and more places in the world, does warrant a heavy dose of skepticism and alertness.
I just was taken aback what people were reading here (like eugenics), what I totally couldn't glean from the original tweet.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 118d
I understand and respect where you're coming from, especially with your added context. I'm also sincerely happy for you living in a functioning state where people can still civilly disagree and discuss the merits of various viewpoints. :)
(I'm in the U.S, so yeah kind of surrounded by all this nonsense haha)
I too, find exaggerated and tilted reactions from any side to be exhausting. I know especially online these days people can be especially "knee-jerk" in how they respond, but at a core and human level I appreciate you trying to see this thing objectively. That's very valuable.
But...yeah. That's what these monsters do: They masquerade as "reasonable", push views to extremes, pollute our discourse, and turn us on each other.
But I think that you and I simply having this conversation is a point for an optimistic outlook. :)
Ruigaard@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 116d
yeah it's great we can have this conversation, one of the things I love about Lemmy. There is room for listening, discussing and trying to understand each other.
Do you think that people like Alex Karp believe themselves? I mean, does het just follow the billionaire script, and thinks he does good (while doing a lot of harm). Or that this is intentionally masking the bad motivations of himself and allies?
ottieplod@feddit.org · 97 pts · 120d
"The ruthless exposure of the private lives of public figures drives far too much talent away from government service." – someone is very sore about the Epstein reveals.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 120d
I think he's still pissed about Gawker outing him.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 60 pts · 120d
You first, Alex. I’m sure the military could use your help on the front lines in Iran. Go capture Kharg island.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 24 pts · 119d
Send Thiel to the front lines with Yarvin, Ellison, Musk, Bezos, and Zuckerberg. Throw Steven Miller, Russ Vought, Pete Hegseth, Joe Rogan, Steve Bannon, Sean Hannity, and Alex Jones in there for good measure.
So many problems could just disappear overnight with one well-aimed iranian strike...
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 11 pts · 119d
Don’t forget Hegseth.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 119d
He's literally mentioned in my previous comment, but we can send him twice I guess
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 119d
I mean, when he looks in a mirror he’s seeing double of himself anyway.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 119d
I didn't think he appears in mirrors
orbitz@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 119d
That's why they needed the makeup room...
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 8 pts · 119d
Fair enough. My eyes glazed over at the long list of traitors, though that’s my fault not yours.
lps2@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 119d
It's like they forget why you should only give training and guns to those that WANT to be there
tristynalxander@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 119d
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 119d
That’s one of the better ideas in the paper. It could lead to lower willingness to go to war.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 7 pts · 119d
The Epstein class gets a convenient case of bone spurs every time there’s a draft.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 118d
Doesn't seem to have gone that way in Israel.
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 115d
There have been major protests by key members of the military like pilots against the planned judicial reforms before October 7th. That event unified the country like nothing else since the Yom-Kippur-War.
Israel is loss averse because of their citizens army. That bleeds over in their tactics as well. This manifests for example in destruction of whole houses and roads instead of clearing explosive traps, mines, and IEDs one by one at a higher risk to soldiers.
A large part of the secular left in Israel hates sending their children to defend fanatical settlers in the West Bank.
The war against Hezbollah in 2006 was cut short because of losses and protests.
Universal conscription isn’t a perfect solution, but it creates stronger bonds between military and the general population.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip · 54 pts · 119d
Does every fucknut capitalist in Silicon Valley need to publish his own fascist/futurist manifesto? We get it, it's already been written a century ago. Just link to it and save everyone the trouble:
There. No need to buy Alex Krap's book.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 118d
That's all the rage currently. And if all other important people do, the main person has to too.
Zephorah@discuss.online · 40 pts · 120d
So, a Theil manifesto.
ETA: I read it again. It’s like a treatise for a cult leader.
wuffah@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 120d
In headlines today: War company likes corporate fascism, news at 11.
kandoh@reddthat.com · 23 pts · 119d
Imagine being so desperate for racism to be socially acceptable that you're willing to advocate for a multicultural version of it.
I guess that's progress.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 120d
Full disclosure: this is a straight up straw man, because I don’t want to pay for the book to find out how they actually expand on this.
I wonder where they’d place various Middle Eastern/North African cultures. By that metric, they’ve created wonders and made uncountable advances for humanity. And yet, I suspect the authors somehow land on European, five eyes parties, India, and East Asian cultures as the most advanced.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 119d
It's specifically Israel supremacim, but playing upon US nationalism/exceptionalim that best serves Israel. Supremacism allows you to determine who deserves genocide.
tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 119d
Are these post WWII advances? Or pre Industrial Revolution advances? Because I will admit Middle East and North Africa certainly advanced learning for a period, but I’m struggling to see where they were a leader post enlightenment. Perhaps my world history classes were limited to European / American history.
z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 120d
Let's be clear to all billionaires and their sycophantic accolades. You cannot hide from the masses. Your islands, your bunkers, your space stations. None of it matters. Wherever you are, we have already found you, we have already eaten your flesh, we have already ensured your genetic line does not get to survive. Fuck you and yours forever.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 119d
Having them all on a space station would be great. Relatively easy to hit.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 119d
Yeah except these people currently rule the world. So there's that.
noxypaws@pawb.social · 11 pts · 119d
These people need to all be
BranBucket@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 119d
We already have answers for many of the things he's trying to address, but they involve taxing the rich and using that money to support and educate the masses.
It's almost like there's an ultieror motive behind his desire to improve things for us dumb poor folks...
pyre@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 119d
why can't this piece of shit stop behaving like a badly written villain? holy social ineptitude
yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 119d
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 119d
The Kanye West of "AI".
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 118d
We need to build an Arkham Asylum
boaratio@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 119d
Alex Karp is a freaking tweeker nut job. Just watch him in an interview. He should be institutionalized.
tired_n_bored@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 119d
Endmaker@ani.social · -3 pts · 120d
Downvote me if you want, but some of their points actually made sense to me. For example:
In a vacuum / without any additional context, they are right. Society - in general - has grown rather polarised IMO.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 119d
Imagine reading that and thinking it means fucking anything.
Do you really believe they think like that? It's bullshit. They could not care less.
criscodisco@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 119d
It’s the same pseudo-philosophical drivel they base their entire worldview on. Silicon Valley VCs have spent entirely too much time hotboxing each other’s farts.