Technically, it'll say it measured 3 times, when really it just found a number that someone on Reddit said they measured 3 times 10 years ago, and used that.
It does my head in how we ignore the shit answers language models give (I refuse to call them intelligent).
I swear unless it's baby shit, like where is the syntax error in this script, it almost always gets it wrong.
Making fresh scripts, even with padentic level prompting and detail just ends up with a script with multiple errors.
I've realised I would have written it just as quickly (after all the iteration work) if I had just done it myself.
The only I find LLMS are good for are glorified search engines. And even then it's horrifying how inefficient chatgpt is for search compared to say Google.
Have you seen AI with numbers? It doesn’t calculate, it just trying to give a statistically-likely answer (just like it does for every other next-word in its answer).
Some of them have to drop back to deterministic software tools (and even then sometimes they’re called with incorrect parameters because “intent” lol)
AI already emulates dumbasses it just got no legs. Don’t worry though, soon they’ll give it legs and guns. Nothing can go wrong guys. trust me bro the future is now
The only thing hindering AI from taking 99% of the jobs is that robotic engineers still can't create a robot with the same level of dexterity as human hands.
Humans are way cheaper to recruit, maintain, and produce. Robots only compete on their potential for sociopathicly blind loyalty.
Computers are deeply fucking stupid in ways that most normal humans cannot even understand, until something tragic happens directly to them, as a reuslt. (And no, AI hasn't fixed this. It put a really cool looking coat of razor thin paint over it.)
I work in automotive manufacturing. it's a huge world. there are tons of people involved in designing, building, and running these cells.
also, the human part is pretty much always the most basic shit - loading and unloading feeders, moving material around with a forklift, loading parts by hand into the machine from material bins because it's cheaper to hire someone to do that complex task (that is not sarcastic, picking something up from a loose bin and placing it in a known orientation is a difficult task to automate) than to teach and operate a robot for that
I don't know how line operators stay sane. I've designed cells where it's somebody's job to do the same dozen motions every minute for an entire shift. many cells like that.
I'll have to look into those and see what level of autonomy is happening, thanks for the info. a quick search says they do some welding as well. usually the fully automated stuff is just final assembly stuff and paint, which is simpler to automate because everything is in known locations.
that's also kind of why I always find it funny when people brag about where the final assembly of a vehicle happens - okay but like where did all the parts come from? there's four $5 million cells in Mexico, designed and built by Canadians, making the rear subframe and employing hundreds of people; why is a car "American" because you put the last pieces together in the US?
FANUC was the dark factory manufacturer I was thinking of when i originally responded, but that was many years ago. No doubt more of the supply chain has been integrated into the automated process and many companies are providing services.
I think AI might end up being more successful in the low-complexity trades (e.g., install a disposal) than for high-complexity white-collar work. The robots just take time to develop.
74 Comments
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 133 pts · 113d
What are you talking about? They will measure it wrong 3 times, cut it wrong while saying it's correct.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 112d
Are we talking about the AI or the contractor?
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 112d
Yes
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 112d
Both. Technically all three.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 112d
That would be ideal.
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 8 pts · 112d
That's literally what they do lol
30p87@feddit.org · 10 pts · 112d
Then try to fill the space with glue, to then conclude it needs to wipe everything and start over, removing the earth in the progress
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 112d
just ignore the massive pile of fixodent in my garage that used to be a car
Ariselas@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 112d
Damn it, I didn't know AI was that good already
Signtist@bookwyr.me · 3 pts · 112d
Technically, it'll say it measured 3 times, when really it just found a number that someone on Reddit said they measured 3 times 10 years ago, and used that.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 112d
Hell, ai does that already
discocactus@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 112d
You're right to push back! I removed your lung, not your appendix.
Rooster326@programming.dev · 8 pts · 112d
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 112d
It doesn't even have to measure it first!
how_we_burned@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 112d
It does my head in how we ignore the shit answers language models give (I refuse to call them intelligent).
I swear unless it's baby shit, like where is the syntax error in this script, it almost always gets it wrong.
Making fresh scripts, even with padentic level prompting and detail just ends up with a script with multiple errors.
I've realised I would have written it just as quickly (after all the iteration work) if I had just done it myself.
The only I find LLMS are good for are glorified search engines. And even then it's horrifying how inefficient chatgpt is for search compared to say Google.
Not to mention it's run by a sociopath.
Pman@lemmy.org · 2 pts · 112d
The most tragic and obvious version of AI already doing that is the school that was bombed in Iran due to AI messing up at best.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 112d
I assure you it can give you three different measurements from the same picture then go on to explain why it’s okay to eat the plywood.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 112d
Phenomenal
4am@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 112d
Have you seen AI with numbers? It doesn’t calculate, it just trying to give a statistically-likely answer (just like it does for every other next-word in its answer).
Some of them have to drop back to deterministic software tools (and even then sometimes they’re called with incorrect parameters because “intent” lol)
AI already emulates dumbasses it just got no legs. Don’t worry though, soon they’ll give it legs and guns. Nothing can go wrong guys. trust me bro the future is now
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 112d
They already gave it missiles and we see where that got us...
Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 112d
I mean.... it absolutely will get it wrong.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 112d
Ai "always incorrect"
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 112d
Having a whole in your roof is a classic construction gotcha.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 112d
I'd like to see AI change blinker fluid or bring the foreman a bucket of steam
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 112d
Wouldn't even know where to find a left handed screw driver
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 112d
My favorite is having the new guy hold a bucket behind someone else using a grinder, to collect sparks for the spark plugs.
So nonsensical and yet so many people fall for it.
Zorque@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 112d
The Leftorium at the Springfield mall, obviously.
discocactus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
Or the board stretcher.
turbowafflz@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 112d
this is like my new favorite wikipedia article, the examples are so funny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fool%27s_errand
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 112d
I can see AI measuring something 3 times and cutting it wrong, more than I can see AI measuring things once and cutting it right.
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 112d
I feel like that's what AI specializes in
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 112d
AI does it five times, in my experience.
bountygiver@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 112d
correction: it claimed to do it 5 times. (it did 0 times)
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
3 times, sir.
shweddy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 112d
The problem is that you measured 3 times everyone knows you only measure twice and cut once
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 112d
The only thing hindering AI from taking 99% of the jobs is that robotic engineers still can't create a robot with the same level of dexterity as human hands.
LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 112d
Realistically, most jobs don't NEED hands. Most physical jobs can be done better with customized manipulators for the type of work being done.
We'd only need hands if we wanted a single robot model that could do multiple types of jobs, instead of a specific robot for each job.
discocactus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
You ever worked in the trades? You need hands.
valek879@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 112d
We should have an AI design a robot with the same level of dexterity as human hands!
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 112d
well, that and the fact that it can't actually do something to the same level of quality.
but that's not going to stop it from taking the jobs. only from actually completing them successfully after it does so.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 112d
I mean, I would add to this list:
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 112d
Counterpoint. Robots build cars almost entirely on their own.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 112d
eh, sort of.
I work in automotive manufacturing. it's a huge world. there are tons of people involved in designing, building, and running these cells.
also, the human part is pretty much always the most basic shit - loading and unloading feeders, moving material around with a forklift, loading parts by hand into the machine from material bins because it's cheaper to hire someone to do that complex task (that is not sarcastic, picking something up from a loose bin and placing it in a known orientation is a difficult task to automate) than to teach and operate a robot for that
I don't know how line operators stay sane. I've designed cells where it's somebody's job to do the same dozen motions every minute for an entire shift. many cells like that.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 112d
When I wrote that I was thinking in particular about the automated car factories in Japan that run without lights to save electricity.
But I take your point, there are still humans involved in the process.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 112d
I'll have to look into those and see what level of autonomy is happening, thanks for the info. a quick search says they do some welding as well. usually the fully automated stuff is just final assembly stuff and paint, which is simpler to automate because everything is in known locations.
that's also kind of why I always find it funny when people brag about where the final assembly of a vehicle happens - okay but like where did all the parts come from? there's four $5 million cells in Mexico, designed and built by Canadians, making the rear subframe and employing hundreds of people; why is a car "American" because you put the last pieces together in the US?
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 111d
FANUC was the dark factory manufacturer I was thinking of when i originally responded, but that was many years ago. No doubt more of the supply chain has been integrated into the automated process and many companies are providing services.
Note that at the high end the automation is reversed. Tour the Factory Where Bentley Handcrafts Its Luxury Rides. Similarly with expensive sports cars.
Made in X is mostly just for marketing now.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 112d
I'd like to see AI miss work because it's Grandma died... Again
edgemaster72@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 112d
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 112d
i'd like to see ai measure something 3 times and get 4 different numbers
Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 112d
The furure is now.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 112d
if it gets me a kitten asleep on my lap i'll take it
Grimy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 112d
Can AI shit post on Lemmy while pretending to work? Didn't think so.
Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 112d
You don't pay be to be busy 100% of the time, you pay be to be 100% busy sometimes.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 112d
Aw hell nah
Meron35@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
Not Lemmy, but they do on Moltbook (Reddit but exclusive for agents).
moltbook - the front page of the agent internet - https://www.moltbook.com/
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 112d
At least Ai will say sorry you are right, I pulled the measurements out of my ass
Bleys@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 112d
Meanwhile ChatGPT setting a timer:
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 112d
Hey, why don't you try cutting your dimensional lumber with a gas-powered chainsaw and be more accurate, eh?
ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 112d
That looks like a concrete saw to be honest.
nroth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
I think AI might end up being more successful in the low-complexity trades (e.g., install a disposal) than for high-complexity white-collar work. The robots just take time to develop.
nroth@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 112d
A white collar example where AI is effective: Make the button this specific shade of blue and move it 3 pixels to the left
nroth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
On the other hand, complex white- and blue-collar work do not seem very close
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 112d
-looks at Voron I’m still repairing-
“Uhh, guys? Let’s not test this one.”
ytg@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 111d
Doing this sort of work has convinced me that the parallel postulate is a lie
jeniferariza@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
Measure twice, cut once and we still find a way to mess it up 😅
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 112d
The bandaged eye sells the joke beautifully.
gaiety@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 110d
...but perhaps, OLEICAT
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
This is why you always use the same tape measure. Tapes can measure differently, and some even need a set amount of tension to stretch it properly.
MysticMushroom1776@fedinsfw.app · 0 pts · 111d
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 111d
Do you want that?
MysticMushroom1776@fedinsfw.app · 0 pts · 111d
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 111d
I like the cut of your jib troll, keep it up. Edit~ nevermind you're a cunt.
MysticMushroom1776@fedinsfw.app · 0 pts · 111d
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 111d
Where
MysticMushroom1776@fedinsfw.app · 0 pts · 111d
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 111d
Get that shit out of here nasty fuck
WesternInfidels@feddit.online · -2 pts · 112d
If the AI measures it wrong just the once, that is genuinely more efficient.