Some time ago when Discord used Surveillance Services to face scan all their users a lot of possible alternatives where thrown around.
- It should be already hosted by someone
- have voice chat
- Be easy to sign up to so that i can convince people
Some time ago when Discord used Surveillance Services to face scan all their users a lot of possible alternatives where thrown around.
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TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 51 pts · 112d
The steam voice chat feature really improved and is very intuitive to use now. I'll frequently use that.
dan1101@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 112d
We've been using steam for many years for our weekly gaming sessions. Can't remember why we stopped using discord but it was way before all the photo ID requests. I definitely don't miss discord downloading like 20 updates every week.
MuttMutt@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 112d
Look at Mumble. It's FOSS (Free Open Source Software)
https://www.mumble.info/about/
early_riser@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 112d
Mumble lacks a ton of stuff that Discord has. There's no persistent text chat, no screen sharing, no video. What it does have is really really easy administration.
It frustrates me that all these Discord alternatives are trying to do everything Discord does when even Discord can't pull it off sustainably at scale. Discord has been in the "be really cool to attract users" phase, and now it's morphing into the "Oh crap we actually have bills to pay" phase. That's why you're seeing ads now, and it's only going to get worse.
I don't want a billion concurrent users. I want a place for my small group of friends to hang out that isn't hard to deploy or manage.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 112d
You're there to voice chat while gaming. It's not a support forum and it's not a wiki.
Why 'systemd' something simple?
papalonian@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 112d
And while doing so, one might want to do one of the things they listed.. being able to quickly share screens is a huge part of discord for my group, we're always showing each other new games we're playing or helping each other out on games we're playing together
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 112d
Yeah, and who ever sends text to people they want to game with?!?
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 111d
Fair point. My game client has a text chat for the game in question, but the voice chat isn't working under lutris because another group coded it and they cheated with the APIs.
So we can and do use text chat from the game itself and the voice chat is the only broken bit.
MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 26 pts · 112d
I've tried Fluxer but it's been a bit fiddly for me on Linux. It's okay, voice chat works, but there are bugs for me with video chatting or screen-sharing. If it starts getting fixed, I'll stick with it, otherwise I'm gonna keep looking.
CptHacke@piefed.social · 23 pts · 112d
Fluxer appears to be the most promising, though it is still very new and they are working furiously to get it up to par with a tiny dev team that consists of two (three?) people. Most basic features are quite usable now, though.
AbsolutelyNotSpez@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 112d
Stoat and Fluxer so far
shirasho@feddit.online · 5 pts · 112d
Stoat desktop feels like it was just put in the oven, especially on Linux. It may get there someday, but I cannot recommend Stoat in good faith.
palordrolap@fedia.io · 17 pts · 112d
Still using Discord here. Never sent them a face photo. Can't say either way for the other people I still talk to on there.
Prior to that I remember using TeamSpeak, which apparently still exists. Still proprietary and monolithic though, which might not be to your preference.
snooggums@piefed.world · 6 pts · 112d
Same, we are planning on ditching when stuff like facial recognition actually kicks in but we are just trying to have fun in the evenings and the ability to easily share text/images/video/streaming with a small group has a lot of inertia.
Also one friend plays on xbox and as far as we know discord is the only one that is cross compatible.
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 112d
Since you say you're planning to ditch it when that facial recognition kicks in, I'm genuinely curious: are you okay with, or unaware, that Discord is already monitoring all your activity and messages to determine your age?
snooggums@piefed.world · 5 pts · 112d
I assume absolutely every single app is doing shady shit like that, and to be honest I don't really care if they are estimating my age off of what I do. I do care about showing my ID, because it has details that I don't want them to have and is a completely different thing.
grue@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 112d
No. Only the proprietary and/or corporate-controlled ones.
Watermark710@piefed.social · -1 pts · 112d
I'm not the person you asked, but honestly, if Discord wants to monitor me and my homies talking about our nerdy ass video game shit, I don't mind it at all. It's not like I'm setting up heroin deals on there (or anywhere else). Like, I give a negative amount of fucks if they know that we're gonna be hardcore raiding from 8pm to midnight on Tuesday and Thursday, with a training session for new members on Saturday morning from 7am to 10am. I could not care less if they read my chats about dungeon strategies and properly optimized endgame gear. If they want to see who won my weekly raffle for 1000 ingame gold, that's fine by me.
It's not even like they can use my data for marketing purposes. I play exactly one video game, and I already plan to buy every expansion the game releases until I either die, or the servers shut down. And we have a very strict "no politics" rule in my server, so it's not like they're gonna catch us planning some sort of revolution. We're just some MMORPG nerds nerding out about our MMORPG.
If they ask me to scan my face, or send them a pic of my ID, that's where I draw the line. I have never, and will never, put a picture of my face on the internet. I've never posted any pics of my kids, or my grandkids either.
But nothing I say on Discord is "private", there are over 600 people on my server, all playing the same game. We only talk about the game, or occasionally what we had for dinner (but that's only on Foodie Fridays). If Discord knows that I made wet beef sandwiches with loaded fries for dinner, that's no sweat off my balls. I don't have conversations on there about anything that I would be afraid to shout in the Public Square.
early_riser@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 112d
Here's my counterpoint: you may think what you do and say is innocuous, and it may very well be innocuous... right now. Who knows what people will think about any given topic in ten years. Who knows who'll be in charge then, or how much power they may have to deal with "them". I'm pretty sure I remember the dictator of some central-Asian former Soviet republic going around arresting dentists, so nothing is too absurd to consider IMO. I also don't do anything I think others would find particularly damning, but I prefer to maintain a healthy buffer between my online self and my meatspace self. But I do genuinely wonder if I'm being unreasonably paranoid sometimes.
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 112d
I personally think you underestimate what they can achieve with that data, or how much money they can make off it, or what governments can do with it. However, as long as you're aware and okay with it, power to you.
voxthefox@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 111d
I think most established accounts theyve already collected enough data to infer your age, they are only asking for identification for a subset of the population so that can verify their data or when they flag as underage.
darkstar@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 87d
I still use Discord as well, they've never asked me for a face photo either.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 112d
Discord is still king. People are way too invested.
Matrix is decent for me. Voice, video, and screen share, works well. Have not had issues with small friend groups
Fierro@piefed.social · 4 pts · 112d
I use matrix with a friend, matrix calls (the one that has the option for video) drop out on their own with no warning and the ring tone is very easy to miss, I wish there was anything to do about those two problems. Other than that it's great, legacy calls seem more robust
msage@programming.dev · 2 pts · 111d
Matrix + Jitsi
nebulahhh@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 109d
We have element call now and its so much better
msage@programming.dev · 1 pts · 109d
So screensharing works without issues? Is it customizable on the backend?
And how is it better, if I may ask?
nebulahhh@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 109d
Screensharing does indeed work but only tab audio works atm. The audio quality imo is better in element call there is noise suppression i explained it a bit more in another comment on this post here
msage@programming.dev · 2 pts · 109d
Thank you!
Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 111d
Ventrilo. Hobbles away on my cane.
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 112d
TeamSpeak or an old fashioned LAN Party
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 10 pts · 112d
Element, or whatever Matrix client of choice if you prefer a different one.
Magnum@infosec.pub · 10 pts · 112d
We use matrix
popekingjoe@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 112d
I use a self-hosted TeamSpeak6 server with my friends. My friends use Discord without me afaik. I can't make people share my principles, but they're slowly coming around to how bad companies can be with their encroaching data hoarding.
TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 112d
Back in the day we used Ventrilo for voice chat.
Stoat seems like a nice, newer alternative to Discord.
harmbugler@piefed.social · 15 pts · 112d
Mumble is a drop-in replacement for Ventrilo. Cons: very basic. Pros: very basic.
p4rzivalrp2@piefed.social · 1 pts · 112d
Its not necessarily basic tnough? Just very different feature set iirc. Cant you even set up directional sound from games or smth crazy
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 7 pts · 112d
Ventrilo
Holy hell haven't heard that name in years
BaraCoded@literature.cafe · 7 pts · 112d
I use a matrix client called "Commet", but for easy sign-up, I guess it's Stoat or Fluxer.
MycelialMass@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 112d
When i play with my brother we use our phones to, get this, call each other. Obviously harder to do with more people but if its just you and a buddy your phone can be used as a phone.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 112d
isn't that expensive?
Curious_Canid@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 112d
Many cell plans, at least in the US, offer unlimited calling.
Watermark710@piefed.social · 1 pts · 112d
My phone bill is $40/mo no matter how much I use my phone.
early_riser@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 112d
I've done this before and it works in a pinch.
Magnum@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 112d
What's with your ingame audio?
MuttMutt@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
This is what I did years ago. No cell phone, land line. DSL still required a phone line at the time but long distance was included free. Would play Diablo 2 with someone I knew who was about 800 miles away.
Drusas@fedia.io · 6 pts · 111d
Signal, but I don't play with randos, just people I know.
anna@retrofed.com · 5 pts · 111d
I went back to using in-game communication and social features and I can't believe we stopped doing it. It is so much more immersive to hang out in, say, a guild hall to chat with whoever happens to be online, than to be available 24/7 in an outside app.
pulsey@feddit.org · 5 pts · 111d
We are using Fluxer, looks a lot like Discord, but is open source. It's hosted, but you can also self-host.
https://fluxer.app/
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 112d
Fluxer for me and my friend group. Signal was actually the primary plan but it doesn't work for two main reasons for us, both related to the fact that we record ttrpg sessions. Since I don't think this would affect most people, I'd also recommend Signal, though some people dislike needing a phone number to sign up.
hexagonwin@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 112d
for only voicechats, mumble seemed good
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 111d
Mumble + phpBB
MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 112d
web.fluxer.app is your best choice.
valar@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 111d
The dust hasn't settled yet. Still waiting for options like Fluxer or Stoat to cover the basic use cases fully.
SethranKada@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 112d
Element works fine for me
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 111d
I don't do online multiplayer. If I'm playing a video game with someone, they're in the room with me and we can just talk.
RebekahWSD@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 111d
I'm very tired so I thought you were saying discord was gone and what would I do then and I was like "well. Me and twin game from adjacent rooms so we'd open the doors and yell but husband would be annoyed" and now I understand you mean new program.
I'd probably go back to ventrillo since I know it existed.
Buffalobuffalo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 111d
The ultimate start to a polycule.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 111d
Telepathy
Bahnd@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 112d
Teamspeak 3, we like sticking to the older version and its nice to have not things change or look super polished and web-page like. Also Mumble, but thats only for groups that require it.
Feddinat0r@feddit.org · 1 pts · 112d
Is gamespy still around?
DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 112d
Welcome to GameSpy!
Skavau@piefed.social · 1 pts · 112d
Discord shelved these plans due to major backlash for at least 6 months, so it's stil going to be Discord.
The other alternatives aren't up to it yet.
kebab@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 112d
only used it for some testing purposes, but sharkord seemed good.
Tiral@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 112d
So all they're doing it making you a "teen' account if you don't want to verify. All that means is you can't join "mature" discords like porn and stuff like that. For gaming with friends it won't matter.
nebulahhh@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 109d
Matrix is really good i have a homeserver setup with a livekit instance using sable client and its really good. VC works really well theres a soundboard that you can customize if your willing to mess around with the element call src code (hopefully that changes at some point to be easier) screensharing does work but desktop audio doesnt tab audio does seem to work but only from chromium based browsers (i.e brave) (this can be workd arround by routing audio through your mic but is a bit of a pain hopefully it gets implimented soon. (Also sable doesnt yet have a desktop or mobile site but the web app works well in mobile browsers)
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 112d
xbox party chat
if you were on Playstation we just couldn't play
Elilol@fedinsfw.app · 0 pts · 112d
Mac@mander.xyz · 0 pts · 112d
WhatsApp, Signal
Nemo@slrpnk.net · -1 pts · 112d
Go over to their house in person, maybe?
homes@piefed.world · 10 pts · 112d
What do you think this is, the 90s?
Nemo@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 112d
It was a perfect system that didn't need updating!
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 112d
I'm currently engaging in a TTRPG session every week or three with people in 2 cities near me, as well as members in 2 states over 1000 km away. The old system had flaws, as well as benefits.
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 112d
Sure let me just travel 2,000 miles across an international border each night.