There are some Chinese users, but the majority are just communists from different countries, not neceessarily western ones. Lemmy was made by communists, so there are more of us here.
and a surprisingly bitter pill for so many to swallow; it tells you instantly who has been chugging the propaganda kool-aid and they get smug about it when you try to point it out to them.
Unlike this picture, real life contains many shades of grey. There are some areas that could be improved but in other areas they excel about any other nation. It's not black and white.
Life doesn't have to be about identity and this picture screams "my identity is a tankie", which is cool but just means it's shit bias. Equally, saying a generic "China bad" screams that someone doesn't alot about its politics
I have no issue with communists. I'm in the anti capitalist camp myself.
I guess all I'm trying to say is idealising nations as utpoian is unrealistic and demonizig them as dystopian is equally as unfair.
There are obviously exceptions where governments do treat their citizens like trash. I don't like what America is doing at the moment. I try not to think in binaries generally, learning not to anyway
No, it's one of the best countries in the world for the working classes at the present moment. It's regularly improving, and though it has its issues, it's doing well to work through them, which is more than can be said of the dying western empire.
Part Anne Frank and Hannah Arendt, No Escape shares Turkel’s personal story while drawing back the curtain on the historically unprecedented and increasing threat from China.
"Part Holocaust trivialisation and Zionist cold war anti-communist No Escape shares the state departments line..."
Nury Turkel is an American attorney, author, public official, and foreign policy expert based in Washington, D.C. He is a former chair of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom, and former president of the Uyghur American Association.
The UAA was founded in 1998. The UAA has had tax-exempt status since April 1998.[25] Uyghur activist Rushan Abbas played a significant role in the establishment of the UAA. She went on to become UAA Vice President and was the first Uyghur reporter to broadcast daily to the Uyghur region, for Radio Free Asia, in 1998
Personally, I prefer Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation. It's better than that memoir by a Statesian politician, and uses a combination of western reporting and hard empirical data.
China isn't committing a genocide. If it were we'd have SOME proof, as there's so much proof of Gaza even though Israel is a surveillance state that severely represses the Palestinian people.
Your views on China and Chinese people are shaped by the US propaganda machine, rather than evidence.
I know you mean well but most of us started believing the same bs you do, there's criticism of China within our spaces but it contends with reality rather than the propaganda you're repeating.
"Of course there's no evidence of the genocide, it's being kept secret! Not so secret that I, as a random westerner, don't know for sure that it's happening though"
Authoritarian Totalitarianism Orwellian CCP Uyghur 50gorzabajillion dead Mao Chineseionaire Tiananmen social credit score xi xinping is Winnie the poo and that’s funny not racist
The UN, OIC and everyone not directly funded by the US state department would disagree.
essentially free markets, but with strict government oversight
I think you should learn what free market means. Also simply not true, while private capital exists every strategic sector (the commanding heights) is publicly owned (land, energy, transport, finance).
China is "authoritarian" from the perspective of capitalists, but liberating for the working classes. China is not committing genocide. Chinese citizens can and do critique the government, what's often censored is reactionary views or capitalists trying to foment liberalization. The markets are not free, and that's a good thing, as it's key to the success of China's Socialist Market Economy.
"Defending" genocide? Absolutely not. Genocide is the one of the greatest of all crimes against humanity, so when accusations of genocide are falsely levied they should then be resolutely denounced, lest they undermine real genocide, such as what Palestinians face at the hands of the Zionist entity. I have no shame for dispelling atrocity propaganda that undermines existing struggles, same as I would for the supposed "white genocide" in South Africa.
Just as "white genocide" was atrocity propaganda against those fighting apartheid, so too is the Xinjiang genocide narrative a political creation, with definite goals. Xinjiang is a key region in the Belt and Road Initiative, bridging the East to the West. Xinjiang is a key artery in the new multipolar era, and the West was hoping to foment radicalized elements to sever the artery and bleed the project dry.
When the CPC responded not with guns and tanks but with education centers and job opportunities, the West switched tactics to alleging "genocide," spearheaded by a lone christofascist paid propagandist named Adrian Zenz.
Today, the de-radicalization program has worked. Violent attacks are near 0, and Uyghur culture and identity are preserved and celebrated. I recommend reading Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation if you wish to learn what's actuallu going on in Xinjiang and how it developed historically.
Fyi this strategy is not effective. You're literally accusing the only political group who cares about genocide of being pro-genocide because you don't know what the word means and you've learned to hate socialists. Your viewpoints are incoherent, not real, and we can just shrug them off like one would do a child's rage.
The only thing socialists will apologize for, to you, is that your mode of production has clearly let you down in a sad and meaningful way.
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.
The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.
Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves. https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330
#HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.
In accordance with China's affirmative action policies towards ethnic minorities, all non-Han ethnic groups were subject to different laws and were usually allowed to have two children in urban areas, and three or four in rural areas.
(e) Show me the forcible transfer of children from one group to another group
violent incidents in East Turkestan
I wonder where those Salafi terrorists came from? Oh right: the US, UK, and Israel organized, funded, and trained them, as they did Al Qaeda and the various flavors of ISIS/ISIL, including the “moderate rebels” that just took over Syria. The blueprint of regime change operationsHow regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent.
56 Comments
fta@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 138d
Genuinely asking, why are there a lot of “China good US bad” posts on lemmy? Like is it Chinese citizens posting this, pro-communist westerners? Bots?
I ask because when I see pro-capitalist posts elsewhere I assume they are bots or Americans that watch too much Fox News.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 138d
There are some Chinese users, but the majority are just communists from different countries, not neceessarily western ones. Lemmy was made by communists, so there are more of us here.
orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 138d
China gives us hope that multipolarity is coming and that our countries can also develop and lift millions out of poverty
SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 138d
It's just communism isn't vilified around us like it.was, still is, around you your whole life
CyroSignal@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 138d
That's the absolute truth.
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 138d
and a surprisingly bitter pill for so many to swallow; it tells you instantly who has been chugging the propaganda kool-aid and they get smug about it when you try to point it out to them.
CyroSignal@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
True.
janewaydidnothingwrong@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 139d
but...isnt china bad? edit: this was a joke, sheesh
philanthropicoctopus@thelemmy.club · 8 pts · 139d
Unlike this picture, real life contains many shades of grey. There are some areas that could be improved but in other areas they excel about any other nation. It's not black and white.
Life doesn't have to be about identity and this picture screams "my identity is a tankie", which is cool but just means it's shit bias. Equally, saying a generic "China bad" screams that someone doesn't alot about its politics
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 139d
What's shit about communists?
philanthropicoctopus@thelemmy.club · -2 pts · 138d
I have no issue with communists. I'm in the anti capitalist camp myself.
I guess all I'm trying to say is idealising nations as utpoian is unrealistic and demonizig them as dystopian is equally as unfair.
There are obviously exceptions where governments do treat their citizens like trash. I don't like what America is doing at the moment. I try not to think in binaries generally, learning not to anyway
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 138d
Communists don't idealize socialist countries, not are we utopians.
philanthropicoctopus@thelemmy.club · 0 pts · 138d
I didn't say that
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 139d
No, it's one of the best countries in the world for the working classes at the present moment. It's regularly improving, and though it has its issues, it's doing well to work through them, which is more than can be said of the dying western empire.
foobaz@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 139d
/s
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 139d
On my part, or janewaydidnothingwrong's?
janewaydidnothingwrong@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 138d
I didnt think I had to include "/s" on this given the context of the post but here we are lol
orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 138d
I get what you mean but people constantly say very misinformed stuff about China without joking
janewaydidnothingwrong@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 138d
yeah but that is actually the joke I was making, anyway lesson learned
orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 139d
No, it's not perfect, but it's as good as it gets
RichardNixos@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 138d
Better than, say, Norway? By what metrics?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_rankings_of_Norway
SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 138d
Never ask what Norway is doing to Amazonian people
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 138d
Norway is a dictatorship of capital, and depends on imperialism to subsidize their saftey nets.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 137d
folaht@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 139d
The ROC had its white terror moments.
Gelik@feddit.dk · -4 pts · 138d
book recommedation: No Escape by Nury Turkel
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 138d
"Part Holocaust trivialisation and Zionist cold war anti-communist No Escape shares the state departments line..."
Certainly a source.
ZeroHora@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 138d
Very serious person.
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 138d
Abbas worked as a contractor for the U.S. military aiding in the interrogations of Uyghur detainees at Guantanamo Bay.
Very serious activist activity of aiding the torture of those you're "advocating" for.
ZeroHora@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 138d
Is she the one who made an AMA on reddit about the Uyghur?
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 138d
yes
ZeroHora@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 138d
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 138d
It was surprising that even stormfront user's were calling her out.
Goferking0@ttrpg.network · 5 pts · 138d
Or that those comments didn't get purged
ZeroHora@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 138d
Reddit > feddit
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 138d
Rushan Abbas brings over 15 years of experience in global business development, strategic business analysis, business consultancy and government affairs throughout the Middle East, Africa, CIS regions, Europe, Asia, Australia, North America and Latin America. She also has extensive experience working with U.S. government agencies, including Homeland Security, Department of Defense, Department of State, Department of Justice, and various U.S. intelligence agencies.
In her role at ISI Consultants, Ms. Abbas leads the business development activities of the firm, which includes developing and leveraging international relationships to serve our clients. She also acts as the firm’s key liaison with US and foreign government departments, agencies and embassies in support of international business efforts. Before joining ISI Consultants, Ms. Abbas was the Director for International Business at Leo A. Daly, an internationally recognized leader in the design of the built environment that is consistently ranked among the top design firms in the world. Prior to that, she ran her own consulting firm, working with companies on the set-up, development and implementation of their international business and providing market intelligence and consumer insight to capitalize on new business opportunities in international markets. Ms. Abbas also served as International Marketing Liaison at Pelco (a subsidiary of Schneider Electric) and as International Business Development Manager at Perity Land Inc. the largest commodity exporter in North America. She was also employed at L-3, as a consultant at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, supporting Operation Enduring Freedom during 2002- 2003 and as a news reporter at Radio Free Asia. Ms. Abbas has also worked as a linguist and translator for several federal agencies including work for the US State Department in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and for President George W. Bush and former First Lady Laura Bush. Ms. Abbas holds a Bachelor of Science from Xinjiang University in China and completed a graduate program in International Business from California State University in Fresno. Outside of work Ms. Abbas has been an active campaigner for human rights and works closely with members of U.S. Senate, Congressional Committees, the Congressional Human Rights Caucus, the U.S. Department of State and several other US government departments and agencies.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 138d
Personally, I prefer Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation. It's better than that memoir by a Statesian politician, and uses a combination of western reporting and hard empirical data.
Gelik@feddit.dk · 0 pts · 138d
Sure, the about page of the collective says a lot about their agenda already but I'm gonna check out the article in detail later.
orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 138d
Yeah it's always good to be aware of the biases and such, but afaik that resource has lots of sources so you can check for yourself
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 138d
As you should, it's very in-depth and deserves it.
NeilNuggetstrong@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 139d
HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 139d
no u
Edie@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 139d
What makes you think so?
themaninblack@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 138d
orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 138d
China isn't committing a genocide. If it were we'd have SOME proof, as there's so much proof of Gaza even though Israel is a surveillance state that severely represses the Palestinian people.
Your views on China and Chinese people are shaped by the US propaganda machine, rather than evidence.
I know you mean well but most of us started believing the same bs you do, there's criticism of China within our spaces but it contends with reality rather than the propaganda you're repeating.
SignDown@lemmy.ml · -7 pts · 138d
Yeah, we always have proof of every genocide happening, because nobody would try to keep it secret
orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 138d
You missed my point. How come there's not a single piece of evidence? Not one victim we know for sure? No video, photographs, nothing?
davel@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 138d
Sarcasm is not an argument, and we do have evidence for every genocide in modern history, because it’s impossible to hide one.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 137d
Three hundred million tourists, not a typo, passed through Xinjiang last year. Not a single tiktok of anything amiss.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 137d
"Of course there's no evidence of the genocide, it's being kept secret! Not so secret that I, as a random westerner, don't know for sure that it's happening though"
themaninblack@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 138d
deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 138d
Authoritarian Totalitarianism Orwellian CCP Uyghur 50gorzabajillion dead Mao Chineseionaire Tiananmen social credit score xi xinping is Winnie the poo and that’s funny not racist
davel@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 136d
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 138d
Meaningless pejorative
The UN, OIC and everyone not directly funded by the US state department would disagree.
I think you should learn what free market means. Also simply not true, while private capital exists every strategic sector (the commanding heights) is publicly owned (land, energy, transport, finance).
themaninblack@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 138d
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 138d
For what? Bursting your little sinophobic fantasy bubble?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 138d
China is "authoritarian" from the perspective of capitalists, but liberating for the working classes. China is not committing genocide. Chinese citizens can and do critique the government, what's often censored is reactionary views or capitalists trying to foment liberalization. The markets are not free, and that's a good thing, as it's key to the success of China's Socialist Market Economy.
themaninblack@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 138d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 138d
"Defending" genocide? Absolutely not. Genocide is the one of the greatest of all crimes against humanity, so when accusations of genocide are falsely levied they should then be resolutely denounced, lest they undermine real genocide, such as what Palestinians face at the hands of the Zionist entity. I have no shame for dispelling atrocity propaganda that undermines existing struggles, same as I would for the supposed "white genocide" in South Africa.
Just as "white genocide" was atrocity propaganda against those fighting apartheid, so too is the Xinjiang genocide narrative a political creation, with definite goals. Xinjiang is a key region in the Belt and Road Initiative, bridging the East to the West. Xinjiang is a key artery in the new multipolar era, and the West was hoping to foment radicalized elements to sever the artery and bleed the project dry.
When the CPC responded not with guns and tanks but with education centers and job opportunities, the West switched tactics to alleging "genocide," spearheaded by a lone christofascist paid propagandist named Adrian Zenz.
Today, the de-radicalization program has worked. Violent attacks are near 0, and Uyghur culture and identity are preserved and celebrated. I recommend reading Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation if you wish to learn what's actuallu going on in Xinjiang and how it developed historically.
chloroken@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 138d
Fyi this strategy is not effective. You're literally accusing the only political group who cares about genocide of being pro-genocide because you don't know what the word means and you've learned to hate socialists. Your viewpoints are incoherent, not real, and we can just shrug them off like one would do a child's rage.
The only thing socialists will apologize for, to you, is that your mode of production has clearly let you down in a sad and meaningful way.
davel@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 138d
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