I am about to set up a cloud instance with linux operating system, and the common choice here normally would be ubuntu. But since they failed their newest release, and I have the option of going fedora or debian. What would you guys recommend for server?
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SpicySquid@lemmy.ml · 29 pts · 106d
Best fit is always dependent on how you're planning to use it. Find out what your requirements before you set up a server.
Generally Debian is chosen very often, but I'd wager pretty much any distro will do. Your own experience goes a long way in making a distro a good choice.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 106d
It is going to run af .go application that is the backend for my website. Handling user logins, database translation etc.
SpicySquid@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 105d
Go applications are statically built. So you don't really need anything special on the server for that. Anything will do. Debian would be fine here.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 106d
Which one has the biggest repositpry libruary off the bat? It's a GUI-less server. So no browser downloading of .deb files anyways.
infeeeee@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 106d
OpenMediaVault comes with a beginner friendly webui, and all programs from the debian repos are available. It's plain debian under the hood. You can install docker, lxc, k8s and kvm plugins and they are managable from the webui.
https://www.openmediavault.org/
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
Not an option on Scaleway cloud services.
FourThirteen@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 105d
Debian is a great pick. It's stable and has a great support community.
tirateimas@lemmy.pt · 15 pts · 106d
Debian would be the most obvious choice. Perhaps Alma is also a good option. If you would like a european option, OpenSUSE leap can also do the job.
erebion@news.erebion.eu · 12 pts · 105d
Denian Stable. It just works.
lsjw96kxs@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 106d
Can't say anything for professional use, but debian is rock solid, always a strong choice for servers.
Arcanoloth@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 106d
I personally favour Alpine Linux for its minimalism, but Devuan or Debian are fine, and more familiar choices, too. Depending on what you intend to run, especially appliance-like things, OpenBSD might be a good alternative.
SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 105d
DEBIAN
pastermil@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 106d
Debian & Alma of course!
placebo@piefed.zip · 9 pts · 106d
Professional as in an organisation? You should probably start by gathering functional and non-functional requirements from stakeholders.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
It's for running a .go app as a backend through an api to my website/app frontend.
helix@feddit.org · 1 pts · 104d
Which reverse proxy?
pcouy@lemmy.pierre-couy.fr · 7 pts · 106d
I usually have Debian on all my servers for stability, and run almost everything inside containers for convenience. The few things that run directly in Debian are nginx for reverse proxying to container services, fail2ban+firewall, and wireguard for everything that moves data between servers/computers/devices I own
asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev · 6 pts · 106d
Debian or Fedora
I personally go with Fedora Server with automatic security updates.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 5 pts · 106d
Rhel if you are using professionally. Their enterprise support staff are wizards when it comes to finding the cause of random issues.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 105d
Not an option on Scaleway unfortunately
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 106d
Alpine.
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 105d
Depends on what you mean by professional and your needs.
Debian (stable) is rock solid but (because) slow changing, if your application is slow (or not) changing it's probably the better choice, but if you need new things before it's ready for a new version it'll be pain. It's the professional sysad's choice because they'll likely not have to do anything.
Fedora is faster moving (think cutting edge, not bleeding edge (e.g. Arch) as opposed to Debian's blunt safety) so if you're in active development it's likely a better choice. It is also sort of the testing arm for Red Hat Enterprise Linux, which is the quintessential professional Distro, so you'll learn some of that along the way.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
Just mean stable. Atleast it should not be the distros fault something suddenly isn't working
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 105d
Debian it is then, it comes in stable, testing and sid (who breaks his toys) also called unstable variants. Unsurprisingly, you'll be wanting stable.
utopiah@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 105d
Like what?
Also if you need something before Debian is ready for it... you're weird. I don't mean this in a derogatory fashion, solely that you are doing something our of the ordinary. Consequently you should first question WHY you do that in the first place.
Finally if you do need something very specific, containers are there to ... contain that. Running Debian as the host distribution doesn't mean you're limited to it for your applications, servers included.
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 105d
Valid point re containers, but OP has a wanting bare metal feel IMO. I like and use both, horses for courses, just giving some context.
utopiah@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 105d
Not sure what that means. Typically I would also question people who think containers are "expensive" in the sense of wasting resources. IMHO it's a great compromise to have very weird services while the server itself is very stable.
pcouy@lemmy.pierre-couy.fr · 4 pts · 106d
What's failed about their newest release ?
HelloRoot@lemy.lol · 3 pts · 106d
Mostly the uutils.
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 106d
Code rewrites are always going to have growing pains. Rewriting gnu-corrutils in rust is a noble effort.
HelloRoot@lemy.lol · 2 pts · 105d
Should have used agpl if they wanted to be noble.
But this is just a corpo moating strategy.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 106d
Dno, I don't use Ubuntu. Just heard from all my Linux sources (podcasts, forums, etc) that their Newest release sucked.
bizdelnick@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 106d
LOL, you could hear that about pretty much every release of any software.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
Maybe, still got me worried about installing v. 26.x.x
omgboom@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 106d
Hannah Montana Linux
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 105d
You get a thumbs up for the humour though.
HumbleBragger@piefed.social · 4 pts · 106d
I'd go with Debian but it's just a personal preference. I had some difficult to set up a samba server the other day in one of my laptops that was running fedora because of firewall configs that I don't use in Debian like adding context or something. Besides that, I kinda think dnf is better than apt in some ways but still use Debian on my home server. I just works
hexagonwin@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 106d
debian, but i prefer devuan personally
StrawberryPigtails@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 106d
My first choice would still be Ubuntu, however if you don't like them RHEL is available for free for homelab's by jumping through some hoops.
Might also take a look at NixOS. Been running it for a while with no issues.
Remus86@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 105d
I believe Rocky Linux is also a free clone of RHEL.
bizdelnick@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 106d
If you are choosing between Fedora and Debian, definitely go with Debian. Fedora evolves too rapidly for professional use, and its administration requires excessive effort.
consequential@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 105d
Do yourself a favor and go with Nixos. Dive head first into to the rabbit hole and set up a repeatable and immutable system. You'll thank yourself later when so many maintenance tasks become a GitOps workflow: update config, commit, push, build, deploy, rollback if it fails
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 104d
Thank you!
Egonallanon@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 106d
I've used rocky Linux on a couple of boxes and it's been very good to me though I've since rationalised everything to Debian for the sake of simplifying my setup.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
Not an option at scaleways cloud services.
digdilem@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 105d
SME here, moving around 300 vms from Rocky to Debian.
But your question is really too vague. Our workflows are quite traditional, but the world is a big place and there is no single right answer here.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 105d
Professional? And you're just switching vendors because you "want to"?
f3nyx@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 102d
Github has zero 9's so at this point just use Arch for everything fuck it
(I would personally recommend Debian)
Goingdown@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 106d
I would use Ubuntu LTS (free) or Redhat Enterprise Linux. If paying is not an option, some RHEL derivate would probably also work.
Care to elaborate how Ubuntu failed newest release?
adarza@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 105d
yea, ubuntu 'failing' is news to me, too. their infrastructure has been hammered by bad actors, and pre-release daily spins were at-times a bit rocky, but the release itself (barring a few potential issues on the desktop with all the changes) seems to be solid.
stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 106d
I think there are many right answers, and in the end it's dependent on your personal likings. I am self-hosting using Fedora, and I couldn't be happier.
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 105d
How did Ubuntu fail their newest release?
SlicedPotato@feddit.dk · 2 pts · 103d
Both Debian and RHEL-like distros are solid choices. Both are super stable. Debian tends to not always have the newest packages, so if you want that I'd steer away from Debian. Personally I use Rocky Linux for my servers. It's based on RHEL, meaning each new major version benefits from Red Hat's 10 years of software support. Debian (and derivates) have better community support I think, but RHEL has very solid documentation (which for the most part applies directly to Rocky, Alma etc.)
Here's a great article outlining the differences between Alma and Rocky.
But for something simple like running a Go application, both should work just fine, so choose what you're most comfortable with.
Rocky is available at Scaleway too.
Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show · 2 pts · 106d
Professional Server grade distro, would probably be either Ubuntu, Red Hat Enterprise Linux or OpenSUSE Enterprise Linux.
For my personal homelab server I run Arch Linux, but I wouldn't do it in an enterprise.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 106d
openSUSE is sadly not an option at scaleway. Otherwise it wasn't a choice xD
tapdattl@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 105d
Rocky and Alma Linux are both Red Hat Enterprise Linux
downhomechunk@midwest.social · 1 pts · 101d
Slackware, be bold.
eskuero@lemmy.fromshado.ws · 1 pts · 106d
arch linux btw
bad1080@piefed.social · 1 pts · 106d
how common is ubuntu on servers?
bizdelnick@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 106d
Much more common than is should be.
aim_at_me@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 105d
I’ve run Ubuntu servers for over a decade in some very large and demanding environments and have had so few issues with the OS itself.
Lemmy has a hate boner for Canonical, and Ubuntu, but the reality is this is an echo chamber. Ubuntu has been run in basically every corner of the globe for some of the most critical work human kind has, and it could be so easily swapped for Debian. But it isn't.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 106d
At my workplace 95% is running ubuntu. Those servers that doesn't, are running crappy Microsoft server, and those are just because the applications weren't yet running on linux, but everything does now, so I gues they will switch to ubuntu very shortly.
bad1080@piefed.social · 1 pts · 106d
interesting, i had no idea
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 106d
People shit on it but there's a lot of good open-source tooling that supports it.
There are nist l1 profiles
Tutorials and guides for everything
etc
Part of being a good sysadmin is knowing when not to reinvent the wheel. Ubuntu has a lot of options for vetted, hardened, "other people's wheels."
Also, for posterity, the competent ones are running the headless, server version of Ubuntu. (As opposed to the bloated mess that is Ubuntu Desktop). The server version catches a lot of flack it doesn't deserve.
bad1080@piefed.social · 1 pts · 106d
i didn't shit on it, i am on kubuntu rn. i just never heard of it being a thing in the server world.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 105d
It is the biggest os server wise in the world. Everything on aws runs ubuntu as well. Any SaaS is ubuntu. You cannot get around it datacenter or SaaS wise.
meldrik@lemmy.wtf · -1 pts · 105d
I’ve seen mostly RHEL in professional server environments.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 106d
My AI says I should always choose Debian 12 (last stabel) instead of 13 (latest build). Is this still a thing? Not hosting applications that needs to be reliably run on latest builds?
OhmeHose@feddit.org · 11 pts · 106d
Classic AI Garbage!
Debian 13 is stable and the latest stable you can get...
Debian 13 download page, source of quote
I'm running on Debian Trixie since release last year with exactly zero issues, you can hardly get more stable than with Debian.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
❤️
bizdelnick@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 106d
The current stable release is Debian 13. Choosing 12 is nonsense.
pcouy@lemmy.pierre-couy.fr · 3 pts · 106d
Debian is already noiriously lagging behind latest package versions (that's how they make it so stable : they freeze all package versions when they release a new version of Debian, and only backport security fixes).
Either your AI was trained before Debian 13 came out, or it is giving you really bad advice. I can't think of a single good reason to use an older Debian for a fresh install...
XTL@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 105d
To find out the actual current latest stable, just check the site: https://www.debian.org/releases/
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 105d
Good to know! I am pretty sold on Debian.