AI investment should go towards live audio translation. Letting anyone in the world speak to anyone else, with no lag, in their own language, with just some earbuds would be revolutionary for humanity
Impossible, as the structure of language is not the same so you will always have lag or you need context to get the right meaning of a word. If someone is going to a ball, are they going to a dance, or getting a toy off the ground?
Anyone who knows at least two languages can tell you that you need to listen to the whole sentence before you can start translating. Usually there’s something in the end that changes everything. In many cases, the word order is more or less reversed, so you have to start translating from the end.
I felt it was imminent. My bro married a beautiful girl from japan, and she's so patient; but, even being marginally fluent in Thai and Mandarin as well as his French and English experience - thus, super plastic for languages - Japanese is still so hard. It seems to be THE poster-child for inscrutably challenging second-languages!
As they say, "suck a man's penis, satisfy him for a day. Teach a man to suck a penis, and he'll insist instead you just do the sucking again this time."
I joke, it was fun, esperantists are good people. I did it to 'cheat' at being bi-lingual, I don't think that was the best motivation. Toki pana would've been easier.
We will never be able to have a perfect international language but considering all of the difficulties involved in creating an international that people around the world could speak, sign language that “only” alienates a small percentage of the population would be a huge improvement over the current system
Haven't heard of the third one, but the first two have glaring problems that prevent them from being truly international. Esperanto in particular is extremely Eurocentric
yeah I just kinda figure we would never agree on a spoken one but I think sign language is doable. Then also would be a huge boon for those who have to use it.
Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.
I dont know how well LLMs work translating chinese to english, but for the uses i give it: spanish, french, german and english, i dont see any issues. I did have some issues translating russian to english though... the stupid bot decided that i invented a modal verb
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Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 62 pts · 106d
Here, just let me put this fish in your ear.
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 105d
Oh dear. I hadn't thought of that. poof
etherphon@piefed.world · 54 pts · 106d
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 106d
Impossible, as the structure of language is not the same so you will always have lag or you need context to get the right meaning of a word. If someone is going to a ball, are they going to a dance, or getting a toy off the ground?
TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip · 43 pts · 106d
Anyone who knows at least two languages can tell you that you need to listen to the whole sentence before you can start translating. Usually there’s something in the end that changes everything. In many cases, the word order is more or less reversed, so you have to start translating from the end.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 35 pts · 106d
chat the entered japanese
Daxter101@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 106d
Indeed Japanese the chat entered.
SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 106d
dattebayo!
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 106d
...nai
msage@programming.dev · 2 pts · 106d
yo!
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 106d
I felt it was imminent. My bro married a beautiful girl from japan, and she's so patient; but, even being marginally fluent in Thai and Mandarin as well as his French and English experience - thus, super plastic for languages - Japanese is still so hard. It seems to be THE poster-child for inscrutably challenging second-languages!
(Hmm. He needs to watch more anime maybe?)
lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network · 2 pts · 79d
Japanese as context the chat as destination entered*
If you're translating 日本語はチャットに入りました。
EDIT Mine would even be “Japanese as context the chat as destination entered (conjugated to polite)”…
schnapsman@feddit.org · 2 pts · 105d
Turkish the chat to also enter it did
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 105d
that doesn't sound too far from japanese !
(my phrase above does not follow japanese syntax exactly, I was just being facetious. It would go subject ->object -> past participe)
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 105d
Seems like a lot of asian languages follow this structure, a bunch of Indian languages are like this as well
lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network · 3 pts · 79d
About 45% of all world's languages are like this, it's the most common order! English (and some other European languages) are the weird ones out!
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 78d
TIL, I always thought the English pattern was the more common one
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 78d
batshit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 105d
It's still not impossible, since professional humans can do it too. It'll never be 100% accurate though and that's just something we have to accept.
GuyFawkes@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 106d
Maybe just get AI to the point it knows that I’m taking my toy to the dance, and remembers that for the next piece of the convo?
nbsp@programming.dev · 23 pts · 106d
ai investment sould go to public education so we can all learn whatever language we like
jtrek@startrek.website · 13 pts · 106d
Right?
It drives me nuts that they want to spend trillions of dollars on technology to write for people instead of teaching people how to write.
Buffalobuffalo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 106d
As they say, "suck a man's penis, satisfy him for a day. Teach a man to suck a penis, and he'll insist instead you just do the sucking again this time."
ennof@feddit.org · 21 pts · 106d
Doesn't this already exist?
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 106d
It does.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 105d
Yep I have some. We've been waiting for them to add Bulgarian so my husband can use them to learn.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 19 pts · 106d
I still think we should agree on a universal sign language and then have every country teach it in school for all years of public school.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 106d
Have I got an xkcd for you!
Quadrexium@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 105d
there are 6 competing standards!
Quexotic@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 105d
Now 7
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 105d
I agree but the esperantists will be annoyed by us choosing a different language
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 104d
There's dozens of them!
Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app · 1 pts · 78d
Ne, mi ankaŭ ne volis lerni esperanton.
I joke, it was fun, esperantists are good people. I did it to 'cheat' at being bi-lingual, I don't think that was the best motivation. Toki pana would've been easier.
colourlessidea@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 105d
Why do you think universal sign language would be better than universal spoken language?
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 106d
That would be not very accessible for people with sight or hand mobility issues. We'd need a spoken form of it, too.
BussyCat@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 106d
We will never be able to have a perfect international language but considering all of the difficulties involved in creating an international that people around the world could speak, sign language that “only” alienates a small percentage of the population would be a huge improvement over the current system
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 106d
It would, but we also can do better
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 106d
We have, like, 3 of those: logban, Esperanto, and ..lochebem?
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 106d
Haven't heard of the third one, but the first two have glaring problems that prevent them from being truly international. Esperanto in particular is extremely Eurocentric
HubertManne@piefed.social · 1 pts · 106d
yeah I just kinda figure we would never agree on a spoken one but I think sign language is doable. Then also would be a huge boon for those who have to use it.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 106d
https://support.apple.com/en-us/123185
Apple already has this, and I think google or Samsung also have something similar.
saimen@feddit.org · 6 pts · 104d
Obligatoric Babelfish reference:
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 3 pts · 104d
Let’s get ai into the right hands first and make it sustainable for this planet.
vsg@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 105d
The issue would be the languages having different syntaxes (syntaces?).
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
I dont know how well LLMs work translating chinese to english, but for the uses i give it: spanish, french, german and english, i dont see any issues. I did have some issues translating russian to english though... the stupid bot decided that i invented a modal verb
StillAlive@piefed.world · 1 pts · 78d
Already exists.
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