The Tower of Babel was probably just a ziggurat that suffered a structural failure and the proto-Hebrew goat herders were like "haha that's what you get for building cities, assholes."
I think Abraham was originally from Ur, which was near Sumer...
But then again, nothing was written down until the time of Moses, so it really depends on how much you want to trust oral tradition.
The early Hebrew script was directly related to the Phoenician alphabet and Egyptian hieroglyphs though, so it does seem they at least had more than cursory contact with those civilizations
Yeah but Phonecians and Egyptians were in a shared trade sphere with Canaan. Phonecians were some of the primary traders of the Mediterranean and their city of Tyre is now in Lebanon. Ramesses II like many Pharoahs went on campaign in Canaan.
Canaan was a borderland between the spheres of influence of Mesopotamia and Egypt. It was a nice spot on the Mediterranean that never got powerful enough to challenge either for more than independence or mild incursion, and was far enough from each that it was hard to hold and different enough to contain exotic goods.
Abraham being from Ur makes sense. There's a lot of Mesopotamian influence in Judaism. Sure it's far, but the Hebrews saw themselves as people who left civilization after it became too corrupt to go be shepherds in the desert. All of that maps to things we know happened in various Mesopotamian cities at various times (and is common in all ancient cities). From there we have schismogenetic counterpoints with Mesopotamia, especially in the form of sexual mores (they aren't calling Babylon a whore because they think it's cool that Mesopotamians had sacred prostitution).
The bit I'm far more doubtful of is the long term enslavement in Egypt. Especially the stories of Joseph and Moses.
When you read the old testament there's a lot of stuff about how cities are bad and don't offer hospitality. That's a big deal with nomadic and semi-nomadic tribes, and was even the key sin in their description of Sodom and Gomorrah. It all harkons back to the early bronze age and that transition into sedentary lifestyle, with a lot of oral traditions sticking around as scripture once it got written down.
The shepherd thrives by exploiting the existence of a fellow animal’s flesh for their own gain. God (religion) thrives by exploiting a fellow human being’s hopes, fears, insecurities, and desire for purpose for it’s own gain. Plants are alive but not to the same level of awareness we can recognize in other animals, and we do have to eat something to stay alive. But it’s little wonder that a made up god favors the development of hierarchies of exploitation that use those who commodify others most effectively as the best example.
Yeah it gives the story of Cain & Able a whole new meaning. Imagine being in the situation as presented. You are literally the 3rd and 4th humans to exist. All you know is that God is awesome but your parents fucked up so now you have to work for a living. You bust your ass every day to make sure the food you've planted grows to provide not just for your family, but to give to God for some reason, just in case he's hungry is 8 whatever.
Your brother does the same, but instead of vegetables he murders a fucking lamb. Maybe he kills sheep for food all the time, out maybe this is literally the first time he's ever killed one. Your parents never ate meat, they lived in the Garden and are fruits and vegetables. But here's God giving your brother mad props for his baby animal murder while you sacrifice a month's worth of food and God - God - is all "yeah whatever, should have killed something that bleeds instead."
You'd have lost your mind too, your whole psychological worldview just got bitch slapped by the Almighty. "Oh he wants blood? Okay, I know where to find plenty. C'mere brother."
And people wonder why I call their god the Tyrant.
I bet you can't prove that it wasn't a fully operational space elevator built by the same aliens who built the pyramids that they then sabotaged when they left/integrated into human society in order to prevent humans from becoming a space-fairing civilization and competing with/drawing attention from our advanced intergalactic neighbors.
From what I gathered in non-fiction: they were building a giant 9 story ziggurat that was so big and such culture blend of people that it was named "Babel" which just roughly means "confusion".
The fictional religious story seems to twist this into some xenophobic shit as always.
It probably just fell down because nobody had made one that big before so they didn't know that it even could collapse because material science hadn't even been invented yet.
Which apparently happened a lot, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidenae - 20,000 people died, insane. That was quite normal in the ancient architecture sadly.
Well I mean when you haven't invented geometry yet, you kinda have to just learn as you go. "Oh if I don't brace these walls it could collapse and kill us all" was something people had to learn the hard way.
I recently went on one of those glass sky walks on a sky scraper and people would be lining up and clenching their buttholes hard today, can't imagine the culture around architecture back in those times - everyone was either just ready to go or sweating all the time just doing menial tasks lol
We could power it with an internal automated nuclear reactor and flood the access points with deadly radiation for extra security, what would go wrong?
Put them in space. You want maximally dumb data center? I'm afraid Musk and Bezos already have you beat.
Advantages:
No planning department to come in and disrupt your idea with the laws of thermodynamics and silly questions like "Where is all the heat going to go?" and "where will the power come from?"
No zoning and land use rules
No taxes
No one asking "Are jobs are being created in the community?"
54 Comments
mtpender@piefed.social · 80 pts · 91d
"This is a great data center we're building, surely nothing ग़लत हो सकता है!"
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 29 pts · 91d
Was hast du gesagt? Kannst du etwas lauter sprechen? Ich versteh dich nicht.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 15 pts · 91d
This is a great data center we're building, surely nothing ग़लत हो सकता है!
Besser?
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 90d
Leider nein, ich habs immer noch nicht verstanden. Danke trotzdem
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 4 pts · 90d
De nada
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 90d
Wen? Den Ader? Wer ist das?
MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 90d
Como é? Fala mais alto!
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 90d
Wohin soll ich kommen? Wer ist alt? Du nuschelst ein bisschen hab ich das Gefühl. Kannst du etwas deutlicher und langsamer reden?
hansolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 90d
Abokina, akwai wahalla. Ban gane ba.
tixnou@feddit.cl · 3 pts · 90d
que
stolig@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 91d
Oh no! If it succeeds, we’ll have a bunch of new programming languages
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 91d
Have you heard of RustScript?
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 90d
Gave me an idea. I will now be waiting for Rust++
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 90d
Was the predecessor named "Bust"?
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 90d
Damn good. Now I know how to name a language if I ever try to make one
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 90d
I'm more into Rust# myself.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 91d
The Tower of Sloppel
Etterra@discuss.online · 23 pts · 91d
The Tower of Babel was probably just a ziggurat that suffered a structural failure and the proto-Hebrew goat herders were like "haha that's what you get for building cities, assholes."
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 9 pts · 91d
Funnily enough, something similar is probably the truth behind the "Exodus" and "Conquest of the Promised Land"
Tl;Dr the Israelites were just rural Canaanites
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 91d
I think Abraham was originally from Ur, which was near Sumer...
But then again, nothing was written down until the time of Moses, so it really depends on how much you want to trust oral tradition.
The early Hebrew script was directly related to the Phoenician alphabet and Egyptian hieroglyphs though, so it does seem they at least had more than cursory contact with those civilizations
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 90d
Yeah but Phonecians and Egyptians were in a shared trade sphere with Canaan. Phonecians were some of the primary traders of the Mediterranean and their city of Tyre is now in Lebanon. Ramesses II like many Pharoahs went on campaign in Canaan.
Canaan was a borderland between the spheres of influence of Mesopotamia and Egypt. It was a nice spot on the Mediterranean that never got powerful enough to challenge either for more than independence or mild incursion, and was far enough from each that it was hard to hold and different enough to contain exotic goods.
Abraham being from Ur makes sense. There's a lot of Mesopotamian influence in Judaism. Sure it's far, but the Hebrews saw themselves as people who left civilization after it became too corrupt to go be shepherds in the desert. All of that maps to things we know happened in various Mesopotamian cities at various times (and is common in all ancient cities). From there we have schismogenetic counterpoints with Mesopotamia, especially in the form of sexual mores (they aren't calling Babylon a whore because they think it's cool that Mesopotamians had sacred prostitution).
The bit I'm far more doubtful of is the long term enslavement in Egypt. Especially the stories of Joseph and Moses.
Etterra@discuss.online · 1 pts · 90d
When you read the old testament there's a lot of stuff about how cities are bad and don't offer hospitality. That's a big deal with nomadic and semi-nomadic tribes, and was even the key sin in their description of Sodom and Gomorrah. It all harkons back to the early bronze age and that transition into sedentary lifestyle, with a lot of oral traditions sticking around as scripture once it got written down.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 90d
Even in Genesis, God supposedly preferred the sheep herder over the agrarian
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 90d
The shepherd thrives by exploiting the existence of a fellow animal’s flesh for their own gain. God (religion) thrives by exploiting a fellow human being’s hopes, fears, insecurities, and desire for purpose for it’s own gain. Plants are alive but not to the same level of awareness we can recognize in other animals, and we do have to eat something to stay alive. But it’s little wonder that a made up god favors the development of hierarchies of exploitation that use those who commodify others most effectively as the best example.
Etterra@discuss.online · 2 pts · 90d
Yeah it gives the story of Cain & Able a whole new meaning. Imagine being in the situation as presented. You are literally the 3rd and 4th humans to exist. All you know is that God is awesome but your parents fucked up so now you have to work for a living. You bust your ass every day to make sure the food you've planted grows to provide not just for your family, but to give to God for some reason, just in case he's hungry is 8 whatever.
Your brother does the same, but instead of vegetables he murders a fucking lamb. Maybe he kills sheep for food all the time, out maybe this is literally the first time he's ever killed one. Your parents never ate meat, they lived in the Garden and are fruits and vegetables. But here's God giving your brother mad props for his baby animal murder while you sacrifice a month's worth of food and God - God - is all "yeah whatever, should have killed something that bleeds instead."
You'd have lost your mind too, your whole psychological worldview just got bitch slapped by the Almighty. "Oh he wants blood? Okay, I know where to find plenty. C'mere brother."
And people wonder why I call their god the Tyrant.
hansolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 90d
Also, that a city would have done what cities do, attract people from all over, from an array of cultures and languages.
It's literally an allegorical warning against diversity, and the perils of not hiring an engineer.
BigBenis@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 90d
I bet you can't prove that it wasn't a fully operational space elevator built by the same aliens who built the pyramids that they then sabotaged when they left/integrated into human society in order to prevent humans from becoming a space-fairing civilization and competing with/drawing attention from our advanced intergalactic neighbors.
Etterra@discuss.online · 2 pts · 90d
Are those the same aliens that turned the earth flat?
drmoose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 90d
From what I gathered in non-fiction: they were building a giant 9 story ziggurat that was so big and such culture blend of people that it was named "Babel" which just roughly means "confusion".
The fictional religious story seems to twist this into some xenophobic shit as always.
Etterra@discuss.online · 2 pts · 90d
It probably just fell down because nobody had made one that big before so they didn't know that it even could collapse because material science hadn't even been invented yet.
drmoose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 90d
Which apparently happened a lot, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidenae - 20,000 people died, insane. That was quite normal in the ancient architecture sadly.
Etterra@discuss.online · 3 pts · 90d
Well I mean when you haven't invented geometry yet, you kinda have to just learn as you go. "Oh if I don't brace these walls it could collapse and kill us all" was something people had to learn the hard way.
drmoose@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 90d
I recently went on one of those glass sky walks on a sky scraper and people would be lining up and clenching their buttholes hard today, can't imagine the culture around architecture back in those times - everyone was either just ready to go or sweating all the time just doing menial tasks lol
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 91d
Shhh, nobody say anything. Nobody try to stop them.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 17 pts · 91d
We already have enough programming languages without yawallahod making more to punish us.
thesohoriots@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 91d
The ziggurat of slop
diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 90d
Where were you… when the built the data center to heaven?
Agent641@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 90d
We could power it with an internal automated nuclear reactor and flood the access points with deadly radiation for extra security, what would go wrong?
Zink@programming.dev · 3 pts · 90d
It's Forbin' time!?
belunos@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 90d
I haven't seen this particular piece of media, but I fully support this kind of tom-fuckery
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 91d
Where were you when they build the datacentre to heaven?
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 90d
What if we build it on a repurposed oil tanker and park it in the great Pacific Garbage Patch?
hansolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 90d
Does no one think of the latency?
ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org · 4 pts · 91d
Yeah, then God will destroy it and no one will be able to understand each other anymore
orenj@leminal.space · 3 pts · 90d
Ah fuck, the last time we did this, we got english. Still... maybe its worth it
moendopi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 91d
"Come let us make bricks and burn them hard" somethjng somethjng Bad Religion
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 2 pts · 90d
Every aspect of it written in a different programming language.
halfapage@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 91d
carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 90d
Put them in space. You want maximally dumb data center? I'm afraid Musk and Bezos already have you beat.
Advantages:
drmoose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 90d
"Oh no my space debris accidently destroyed your multi billion dollar datacenter"
bier@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 89d
Disadvantages:
Just look at Microsoft dumping Data center containers in the Ocean that was BS as well
carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 89d
Stop! You are making my stock prices go down!
jaykrown@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 90d
I imagine it looking something like this
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 90d
Can it reach back to hell so these tech bros and chomo Caligula can return home?
vga@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 90d
Only if you dedicate it to LLMs that translate languages between each other