eyyy there goes $140 million dollars just so the chuds could take their chud-to-be tax burden kids to gawk at the military propaganda while saying "whooooa look at da airpwane"
Fuck off. Girls also like to go fast and literally flying. Seeing the pinnacle of flight engineering and human ability is enjoyable in the same ways as a car, tech, robotics, boats, trains, etc... Show or race. Weird thread of people wanting to be mad.
It's not weird that people who have any ethics and a bit of context for what these things are used from can't just separate the "cool technology" from their purpose and find them extremely distasteful.
In fairness to contact sports / martial arts, when done properly, they can be significantly less dangerous, teach discipline and respect, instill a sense of realism and proportionality regarding the application of violence, keep you in decent physical shape, provide your life with a routine structure, and provide some real world socializing/social group.
Many also come with some kind of a philosophy that stresses self defense and essentially a 'duty to retreat' mentality: violence is always the last resort.
Many also come with some kind of a philosophy that stresses self defense and essentially a 'duty to retreat' mentality: violence is always the last resort.
Can confirm, every sensei I've had pushed this mentality constantly. The people who joined to "learn how to beat people up" never lasted very long when the first thing we'd teach is "how to run away"
How’s the old saying go? Something along the lines of “the average person thinks they would be a genius if they were transported back to the Stone Age… But the average person wouldn’t even be able to build a toaster.”
Nothing outs a shit human faster than their use of memes that rely on negative stereotypes of the mentally challenged in an effort to insult their opponent. If you can’t craft an insult that doesn’t use a vulnerable section of humanity as the root, fuck off.
I'm divided on airshows. I get that the spectacle is impressive. They're also literal monuments to war that are burning an excessive amount of fuel to operate.
I get that you probably don't have multiple military aircraft flying overhead every day. I chose to live in San Diego without knowing that was gonna be my version of the train that I had to learn to ignore. So that probably colors my thinking, as well as being a Navy Vet.
Personally I'd prefer more museums so they can be shown off without burning more fuel than is needed.
you are "pretty sure"... that flying hundreds of aircraft at the limits of their acceleration and capabilities (to put on a dramatic show for spectators) at hundreds of air shows around the world... uses less fuel than a single private jet flying routine passenger deliveries ?
They're not flying the jets anywhere near the limit on airshows. For one it's just not safe for the public. And secondly no one wants to reveal the actual limits to enemies.
And yes. I think it's entierly possible. Seeing as she's taken her jet for a whooping 40 second flight just to get from one side of LA to the other.
..which aren’t (usually) paid for with taxpayer dollars
But I’m guessing doing air shows counts towards training hours, so they’re going to be flying those planes regardless. Still feels like a massive waste when two of them crash and burn in a show though
Air shows are pretty far reaching, you don't have to be in the paid box seating to watch generally. For example in San Francisco you just have to be anywhere with view to the water, in Salinas its a pretty small airport so you can be anywhere around it but tickets to get in are like $30 so its worth it to me to go in and be able to climb around helicopters and stuff, see the robotics and other stuff people bring and the play area for our kid to socialize a bit with kids
As someone who doesn't attend them anymore, I think most of the fun in an air show ALSO involves the ground stuff. As a kid I actually touched and sat in a few planes.
That's definitely not true. Maybe it is in the US, but seeing machines go fast or tackle complex challenges isn't a gender-specific thing. For example, 42% of Formula 1 fans are female. Plenty of women spectating and competing at drag strips, land speed, rally, etc.
The old conservative culture of assuming things of people or pigeonholing them based on gender—like, "attract and fascinate mostly men"—is not as relevant as it used to be back in the old days, nor should it be preserved.
you're just be pedantic. The issue isn't about it being "mostly", it's about if its a "men's" thing. A 42/58 isn't that wide of a gap to say that it's one gender's thing. As the difference could likely just be attributed to other cultural factors and not the thing itself.
If office workers were split 42/58, you wouldn't call it a "man's" job, even if technically there's more men.
Well, if you look at the survey where the 42% number comes from, you'll see that 75% of new F1 fans are female and it seems to be a trend, meaning total fandom will be mostly female very soon.
That word is covering a lot of ground. Why would you let language be so ambiguous to you? What would you call 75%, and then how can you destinguish between the two if they are both "mostly"?
Only if it's young dudes playing. Conservative men also love movies where it's mostly just young dudes (like that 300 movie where the cast is all handsome young dudes in leather panties being led by an older middle aged dude) They really seem to prefer young dudes in general I guess.
I see some people make similar comments in the gun community here in Australia. Everything they disagree with is considered controversial
These things are often in part military recruitment drives. There are plenty of airshows that don't use fighter jets and don't have military booths there (which I'm guessing is happening at that airshow).
My aerobatics instructor (who actually once had a mid air collision and still managed to land the plane by using thrust to pitch) used to fly at a lot of smaller shows where it was genuinely about planes and the pilots, and no hidden agenda
It doesn't mean the pilots are there for the military, but it is a huge part of it imho. It's cool to see military planes, but, they're there so people go "wow, I want to join "air force"
If I had a nickel for every time a plane crashed at Mountain Home Air Force Base during an airshow I'd have three nickels.
Which isn't Lot, but it's weird that it happened thrice. I'm
This does happen sometimes. It sucks for all involved, but like NASCAR, some of the audience is secretly hoping. That’s part of the thrill of having planes fly at each other really close. Otherwise just don’t do that, there’s loads of air with no planes in it.
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SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 87 pts · 92d
eyyy there goes $140 million dollars just so the chuds could take their chud-to-be tax burden kids to gawk at the military propaganda while saying "whooooa look at da airpwane"
hoch@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 91d
Stfu, airshows and jets are fun to watch
HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 91d
They're fun as fuck. Some of the best pics I have are from an air show! f35
^f35 doing a zooom!
mlg@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 91d
F-22 for life lol, 2000s era Lockheed tincan doesn't even look good after they threw all my tax money at it.
Mirshe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 91d
Designs should've never progressed past the F-104. Change my mind.
mlg@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 91d
Nothing will top lawn dart and the slick F-86 haha
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 91d
Air shows appeal to the male fantasy of being Tom Cruise / go really fast
Kickstart My Heart but you're avoiding Air Defense in WW3
redsand@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 91d
Fuck off. Girls also like to go fast and literally flying. Seeing the pinnacle of flight engineering and human ability is enjoyable in the same ways as a car, tech, robotics, boats, trains, etc... Show or race. Weird thread of people wanting to be mad.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 90d
It's not weird that people who have any ethics and a bit of context for what these things are used from can't just separate the "cool technology" from their purpose and find them extremely distasteful.
Soggy@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 91d
See also: monster trucks, demolition derbies, fireworks, contact sports, and so much more. Wasteful and dangerous? Yep. Fun? Also yep.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 91d
In fairness to contact sports / martial arts, when done properly, they can be significantly less dangerous, teach discipline and respect, instill a sense of realism and proportionality regarding the application of violence, keep you in decent physical shape, provide your life with a routine structure, and provide some real world socializing/social group.
Many also come with some kind of a philosophy that stresses self defense and essentially a 'duty to retreat' mentality: violence is always the last resort.
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 90d
Can confirm, every sensei I've had pushed this mentality constantly. The people who joined to "learn how to beat people up" never lasted very long when the first thing we'd teach is "how to run away"
tgcoldrockn@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 91d
Saw the RedBull Air Race in NYC. Amazing stuff.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 91d
there are plenty of things which are fun to watch which didn't involve spending billions of tax dollars on killing machines
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · -18 pts · 91d
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 91d
Fucking hate it when I go to the air show and the plane sucks up my internal American flag spirit straight out of my mouth
brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 91d
If they were free and couldn’t kill anyone etc.
Relatively intriguing 6-foot-tall bipeds are able to travel through the air in such a manner
::: spoiler reminded of comic
Obviously not advocating for anything
Just “how’d humans engineer that! I couldn’t build a good bike!” :::
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 91d
How’s the old saying go? Something along the lines of “the average person thinks they would be a genius if they were transported back to the Stone Age… But the average person wouldn’t even be able to build a toaster.”
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 91d
Nothing outs a shit human faster than their use of memes that rely on negative stereotypes of the mentally challenged in an effort to insult their opponent. If you can’t craft an insult that doesn’t use a vulnerable section of humanity as the root, fuck off.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 91d
okchamp.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 91d
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 91d
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 91d
I hate this take. Air shows are awesome, they fascinate children and adults alike. Seeing these machines first hand is inspiring...
There's little enough in this world that I would describe as "inspiring", so I'll take what I can get.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 91d
I'm divided on airshows. I get that the spectacle is impressive. They're also literal monuments to war that are burning an excessive amount of fuel to operate.
I get that you probably don't have multiple military aircraft flying overhead every day. I chose to live in San Diego without knowing that was gonna be my version of the train that I had to learn to ignore. So that probably colors my thinking, as well as being a Navy Vet.
Personally I'd prefer more museums so they can be shown off without burning more fuel than is needed.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 91d
Seing one operating in person and seing one on display are two very different things.
But military airshows are not just for ordinary people to be amazed. It's an opportunity for the manufacturer to market their airplanes.
And while it does burn a lot of fuel. It's nothing compared to all the private jets flying around the world.
I'm pretty sure Taylor Swifts jet burns more fuel in a year than all airshows combined.
stopdropandprole@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 91d
you are "pretty sure"... that flying hundreds of aircraft at the limits of their acceleration and capabilities (to put on a dramatic show for spectators) at hundreds of air shows around the world... uses less fuel than a single private jet flying routine passenger deliveries ?
press X to doubt
Atomic@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 90d
They're not flying the jets anywhere near the limit on airshows. For one it's just not safe for the public. And secondly no one wants to reveal the actual limits to enemies.
And yes. I think it's entierly possible. Seeing as she's taken her jet for a whooping 40 second flight just to get from one side of LA to the other.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 90d
Ohhhh, they're good because they're promotion for the military-industrial complex, of course...
Atomic@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 90d
I didnt say they were good or bad. I said why they exist in the first place.
If you came to the conclusion that makes them good, well that's a journey you took all on your own.
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 91d
Most of the acts aren't military aircraft. Lots of acrobatics in private plans and such. The jets are impressive though.
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 90d
All those military pilots need to fly those aircraft regularly so their skills remain current, right? Might as well do it for an audience.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 91d
Yeah we're going to hell in a handbasket because the racoon part of our brain that likes shiny things is just so strong
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip · -11 pts · 91d
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 91d
Petty name calling, what a great addition to this community.
Almost ironic really, I'm appreciating childlike wonder, and you're acting like a child.
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 91d
This was obviously to be taken in the context of the comment at the top of the chain, but okay, I guess I'll add a /s next time.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 92d
So are drag races and monster truck rallies. Big and fast machines attract and fascinate mostly men.
kahjtheundedicated@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 92d
..which aren’t (usually) paid for with taxpayer dollars
But I’m guessing doing air shows counts towards training hours, so they’re going to be flying those planes regardless. Still feels like a massive waste when two of them crash and burn in a show though
klugerama@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 92d
It happens during training, too,so I don't really see a distinction.
xylol@leminal.space · 5 pts · 91d
Most airshows I've been aren't put on by the military, they are usually just invited to a segment but often times they don't even show up.
Most planes are privately owned like old planes or stunt pilots.
The military jets definitely cost money to move around so it is an extra expense
thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 92d
There should be an option of going to a simpler airshow. Planes takes off, circle the airfield and land, one after the other.
xylol@leminal.space · 4 pts · 91d
Most airshows have this, usually with historic planes and such. Similar with the air taxis they were showing off recently for the Olympics
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 92d
xylol@leminal.space · 1 pts · 91d
Air shows are pretty far reaching, you don't have to be in the paid box seating to watch generally. For example in San Francisco you just have to be anywhere with view to the water, in Salinas its a pretty small airport so you can be anywhere around it but tickets to get in are like $30 so its worth it to me to go in and be able to climb around helicopters and stuff, see the robotics and other stuff people bring and the play area for our kid to socialize a bit with kids
frongt@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 91d
You can just go sit outside the airport and watch for free
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 91d
NannerBanner@literature.cafe · 1 pts · 91d
As someone who doesn't attend them anymore, I think most of the fun in an air show ALSO involves the ground stuff. As a kid I actually touched and sat in a few planes.
Dultas@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 91d
I'm pretty sure it does. Flyovers at ballgames etc do so I don't see why airshows wouldn't.
saltesc@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 92d
That's definitely not true. Maybe it is in the US, but seeing machines go fast or tackle complex challenges isn't a gender-specific thing. For example, 42% of Formula 1 fans are female. Plenty of women spectating and competing at drag strips, land speed, rally, etc.
The old conservative culture of assuming things of people or pigeonholing them based on gender—like, "attract and fascinate mostly men"—is not as relevant as it used to be back in the old days, nor should it be preserved.
grue@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 91d
TIL 58% isn't "mostly."
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 91d
you're just be pedantic. The issue isn't about it being "mostly", it's about if its a "men's" thing. A 42/58 isn't that wide of a gap to say that it's one gender's thing. As the difference could likely just be attributed to other cultural factors and not the thing itself.
If office workers were split 42/58, you wouldn't call it a "man's" job, even if technically there's more men.
grue@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 91d
Nevertheless, if you want to say it's not "mostly," your example ought to do better than 42%!
3abas@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 91d
Well, if you look at the survey where the 42% number comes from, you'll see that 75% of new F1 fans are female and it seems to be a trend, meaning total fandom will be mostly female very soon.
https://cdn-8.motorsport.com/static/custom/piano/2025globalf1fansurvey.pdf
AlexLost@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 91d
Just over half is mostly?
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 91d
That's almost 50% more men than women
grue@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 91d
Yes, anything over half is literally what "mostly" means. Doesn't matter if it's 99% or 51%.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 91d
grue@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 91d
What the fuck is your problem? Words have meanings.
AlexLost@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 91d
That word is covering a lot of ground. Why would you let language be so ambiguous to you? What would you call 75%, and then how can you destinguish between the two if they are both "mostly"?
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 91d
Those arent used to bomb innocent civilians... Wtf are you talking about?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 91d
also racecar/nascar, its so mind-numbing boring, but conservative seems to love any kind of sports.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 91d
Only if it's young dudes playing. Conservative men also love movies where it's mostly just young dudes (like that 300 movie where the cast is all handsome young dudes in leather panties being led by an older middle aged dude) They really seem to prefer young dudes in general I guess.
Iconoclast@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 91d
Perfect example of the kind of comment that makes social media so toxic to everyone.
Riverside@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 91d
auzy1@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 91d
I see some people make similar comments in the gun community here in Australia. Everything they disagree with is considered controversial
These things are often in part military recruitment drives. There are plenty of airshows that don't use fighter jets and don't have military booths there (which I'm guessing is happening at that airshow).
My aerobatics instructor (who actually once had a mid air collision and still managed to land the plane by using thrust to pitch) used to fly at a lot of smaller shows where it was genuinely about planes and the pilots, and no hidden agenda
It doesn't mean the pilots are there for the military, but it is a huge part of it imho. It's cool to see military planes, but, they're there so people go "wow, I want to join "air force"
kinkles@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 92d
You just be really exciting at parties
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 92d
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 44 pts · 92d
daychilde@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 92d
I read that people saw all four walking around, although I'm sure they were taken to be checked out. But seems like really good news so far.
saltesc@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 92d
Good. So we can make fun about cutting Iran out of the process and making USAF attrition 100% local.
HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 91d
If I had a nickel for every time a plane crashed at Mountain Home Air Force Base during an airshow I'd have three nickels. Which isn't Lot, but it's weird that it happened thrice. I'm
myrrh@ttrpg.network · 12 pts · 91d
zqwzzle@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 92d
This is how biplanes are made.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 92d
Smh no representation for gayplanes 😔
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 92d
Aren’t you guys more rocket men anyway?
Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 92d
You would think so, but apparently Bennie has Jets.
harmbugler@piefed.social · 3 pts · 91d
Not B-b-b-bennie!
magnue@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 91d
YouTube has taught me to never go to an airshow.
IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 91d
Vibe Piloting
LillyPip@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 92d
This does happen sometimes. It sucks for all involved, but like NASCAR, some of the audience is secretly hoping. That’s part of the thrill of having planes fly at each other really close. Otherwise just don’t do that, there’s loads of air with no planes in it.
theyoyomaster@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 91d
They fly that close all the time. This is genuinely exceptional, especially for the maneuver they were doing.
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 91d
Kinetic!
Insufficiently lethal to please Khal Hegseth though.
A USAF air show without at least six deaths is considered a dull affair..
texture@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 90d
i feel like this happens a lot
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 92d
Wataba@sh.itjust.works · -5 pts · 92d
Suckers and losers.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 91d
Nice. Shame about the pilots.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 91d
They survived?
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 91d
Yes
lemmyng@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 92d
Oh no...
...Anyway
Footer1998@crazypeople.online · -12 pts · 91d
That's a shame. Ah well, hopefully the jets are completely scrapped.