I just wish it was a native feature of browsers instead of something that is part of the page. Like, all the other permissions - camera, microphone, Bluetooth, USB, etc access - are native, why can't be the "hey let me write some crap onto your device that other pages may or may not read" and "hey lemme see what I wrote onto your device when invoked from another website" requests be native too?
Because it would be harder, there are 2 types of cookies: essential ones, necessary for the site to work correctly (remember login, preferences and a bunch of other things) and there are other cookies that are not necessary, and there is no real way to add this distinction since the browser doesn't really have any way to understand which are which;
Also, before anyone reply "but if i don't want to remember my login?" Some sites still write temporary cookies to work
You can also see what cookies are wrote on your device with Developer tools
Adding support for two types of cookies instead of one (and having a default the browser sends to the site) isn't black magic fuckery or some unachievable alchemical process. It's done easily.
Yep, but would companies use them? I doubt, they want profit, they ain't using that and companies often define standards, so the only hope is to propose to the EU to enforce it or smth
I don't know the answer but I feel like you value your data much higher than they do.
My guess is that they just want to squeeze every single cent out of us all, and if violating our privacy and making our experience worse can give them one additional dollar for every 1000 or 10000 users, that is a price they are willing to pay... or to be precise, that's the price they are willing to sell us for.
I've read somewhere that data price varies a lot per demographic, with some data being worth just a few $ per year and some other data being worth way more than $1000/y. I can't find the source I read that on, so take it with a grain of salt.
Either way, it's very certainly more than a few cents per year per person.
I donât even know what legitimate interest means. Are they saying theyâre going to sell my data to someone if they have a legit interest in my data? Who would buy data if they DIDNT have a legit interest in it? I donât get it
Not really, its kind of one those things; if you don't know, how could you? Unless you're the kinda person to sit there and read every option of everything.
On many websites, the cookies are created no matter what you choose. It's a dark pattern to get you to accept all, yes, but In the end it's often meaningless.
Use a decent browser like librewolf which isolates cookies so only the site that created them can access them and clears all cookies on exit - this protects you from bad effects of cookies so you can just accept all. However, you're still susceptible to other methods of tracking (like IP address or browser fingerprint based tracking) unless you use Tor Browser or something similar.
It's focused on contractual agreements overall, but it supports machine negotiation based on headers, which is how our reference implementations handles cookie banners.
I recently got an ad about these rail chairs for elderly to get up and down the stairs. I am inu 30s and I am proud that me clicking out all non-essential cookies doesn't bring me related ads.
Also, that ad somehow passed through ublock. Not sure how đ
i used to get spam calls about back pain medication, i'm 26, no back pain yet, thankfully. but they kept calling me nonetheless
thankfully i'm european so one day i cited the law to be forgotten, and once they told me "sorry we can't :(" and i replied "well you better fix that because that's illegal :)" they hung up immediately and never called me again :D
Got librewolf, turned the settings a bit more strict than what comes base so cookies and site data don't even get saved. Makes me feel good, with that level of ease.
UBlock handles them well if you enable the cookie notice list. If one slips through, I now accept all because cookies are erased as soon as I close my browser
I just zap the banner and make a mental note not to use this website again. If itâs something essential to me, Iâd probably add a custom filter - but that hasnât been an issue so far.
By default firefox can only do this on browser close not on tab close. I never used this extension but this seems like a good upgrade to only deleting on exit.
What browsers really should implement is to store all third party cookies in a jar for the specific site I am on until I navigate to another domain or close the tab. The cookies are saved and returned to the 3rd party sites embedded in the site I use. But if the same 3rd party sites are also embedded in other sites, they have to send fresh cookies.
Cookies become useless for tracking and all the legislation specifically around them can be axed.
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unmagical@lemmy.ml · 73 pts · 94d
ultrafastsloth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 92d
Now, to disable all cookies, you have to click all 19,324 toggles
ollie@pawb.social · 45 pts · 94d
consent-o-matic my goat
fonix232@fedia.io · 19 pts · 94d
I just wish it was a native feature of browsers instead of something that is part of the page. Like, all the other permissions - camera, microphone, Bluetooth, USB, etc access - are native, why can't be the "hey let me write some crap onto your device that other pages may or may not read" and "hey lemme see what I wrote onto your device when invoked from another website" requests be native too?
RustyNova@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 93d
Librewolf doesn't save cookies by default, and you can toggle them on if you need to
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 1 pts · 93d
Because it would be harder, there are 2 types of cookies: essential ones, necessary for the site to work correctly (remember login, preferences and a bunch of other things) and there are other cookies that are not necessary, and there is no real way to add this distinction since the browser doesn't really have any way to understand which are which; Also, before anyone reply "but if i don't want to remember my login?" Some sites still write temporary cookies to work
You can also see what cookies are wrote on your device with Developer tools
fonix232@fedia.io · 2 pts · 93d
Adding support for two types of cookies instead of one (and having a default the browser sends to the site) isn't black magic fuckery or some unachievable alchemical process. It's done easily.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 1 pts · 93d
Yep, but would companies use them? I doubt, they want profit, they ain't using that and companies often define standards, so the only hope is to propose to the EU to enforce it or smth
axh@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 93d
I love the concept of "Legitimate interest"... Like, why the hell anyone even consider storing my data in ILLEGITIMATE interest?
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 93d
Yeah, and apparently "we're legitimately interested in your data" is enough to clear that ridiculously low threshold đ¤Ź
Geobloke@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 93d
I would love to know how much my data is actually worth, like to the cent and why.
axh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 92d
I don't know the answer but I feel like you value your data much higher than they do.
My guess is that they just want to squeeze every single cent out of us all, and if violating our privacy and making our experience worse can give them one additional dollar for every 1000 or 10000 users, that is a price they are willing to pay... or to be precise, that's the price they are willing to sell us for.
black0ut@pawb.social · 2 pts · 92d
Your data is worth much more than that, actually.
Proton calculates your data is worth, on average, $700/year. Granted, they have a financial interest in making that number as high as possible, because it's basically an ad for them.
I've read somewhere that data price varies a lot per demographic, with some data being worth just a few $ per year and some other data being worth way more than $1000/y. I can't find the source I read that on, so take it with a grain of salt.
Either way, it's very certainly more than a few cents per year per person.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 3 pts · 92d
I donât even know what legitimate interest means. Are they saying theyâre going to sell my data to someone if they have a legit interest in my data? Who would buy data if they DIDNT have a legit interest in it? I donât get it
9point6@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 94d
Just install the Consent-o-matic extension and you get the benefit of rejecting without the faff 90% of the time
snowydroopz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 93d
What browsers support it?
Az_1@piefed.zip · 11 pts · 93d
Not sure about chromium ones but it works on all firefox based browsers
9point6@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 93d
I think the only one you can't use it in is chrome mobile since it doesn't support extensions
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 92d
Firefox does.
janakali@lemmy.4d2.org · 22 pts · 93d
yakko@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 93d
Gasp
I'm so dumb. I didn't even know I had to enable that... God it should physically hurt to be this stupid
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 93d
Not really, its kind of one those things; if you don't know, how could you? Unless you're the kinda person to sit there and read every option of everything.
yakko@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 93d
What if I want it to hurt? :3
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 92d
Add
https://*to your filter list.yakko@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 92d
lmaoooooo asked and answered
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 92d
Surprisingly, it doesn't actually block sites, it just makes them all look like they're from 1992.
http://*really blocks them.MalMen@masto.pt · 1 pts · 92d
@helpImTrappedOnline @yakko when the internet was gud
TotallyWorthLife@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 92d
Waow
msage@programming.dev · 16 pts · 93d
I hoped it would be mentioned before, but in the EU It shall be as easy to withdraw as to give consent.
Report such sites for non-compliance.
fox2263@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 93d
I like the button that says reject non essential. That should be a required button.
HK65@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 93d
It is actually.
Enforcement is crap.
wiccan2@thelemmy.club · 10 pts · 94d
Or worse: pay to decline cookies
YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth · 7 pts · 94d
Surefire way for a site to ensure they immediately make my blocklist
prti@szmer.info · 2 pts · 93d
My old email provider added that and I still have some accounts linked to it... IMAP is now the only way I access that mailbox
gurty@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 93d
âYou are our product, userâ
xkbx@startrek.website · 9 pts · 94d
You need to add 500 surveillance devices at the end of the top segment, and 498 at the end of the bottom segment
pewpew@feddit.it · 8 pts · 93d
(for websites you don't use often)
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 93d
Me on the work laptop
kyub@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 93d
On many websites, the cookies are created no matter what you choose. It's a dark pattern to get you to accept all, yes, but In the end it's often meaningless.
Use a decent browser like librewolf which isolates cookies so only the site that created them can access them and clears all cookies on exit - this protects you from bad effects of cookies so you can just accept all. However, you're still susceptible to other methods of tracking (like IP address or browser fingerprint based tracking) unless you use Tor Browser or something similar.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 1 pts · 92d
I use a ff plugin called cookie auto delete. I white list some sites like the self hosted stuff, but for the most part, nothing is exempt.
puchaczyk@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 92d
I'm using Consent-O-Matic and it works surprisingly well.
Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 92d
I am authoring an IETF draft to help with this. The agreement formats recently got approved by IEEE.
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 92d
Oh, where can I inform myself more about your work?
Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 92d
The main site: https://myterms.info/
My draft, which will likely be introduced to the list this week with a BOF (meeting) request for IETF 126 in Vienna: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-curtis-myterms/
It's focused on contractual agreements overall, but it supports machine negotiation based on headers, which is how our reference implementations handles cookie banners.
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 93d
I recently got an ad about these rail chairs for elderly to get up and down the stairs. I am inu 30s and I am proud that me clicking out all non-essential cookies doesn't bring me related ads.
Also, that ad somehow passed through ublock. Not sure how đ
shneancy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 93d
i used to get spam calls about back pain medication, i'm 26, no back pain yet, thankfully. but they kept calling me nonetheless
thankfully i'm european so one day i cited the law to be forgotten, and once they told me "sorry we can't :(" and i replied "well you better fix that because that's illegal :)" they hung up immediately and never called me again :D
markz@suppo.fi · 4 pts · 92d
Why would you put extra effort into telling them you want cookies? Just block everything.
While you're wasting your time on clicking shitty popups, I'm already reading the page.
FatherPeanut@pawb.social · 4 pts · 93d
Got librewolf, turned the settings a bit more strict than what comes base so cookies and site data don't even get saved. Makes me feel good, with that level of ease.
db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 93d
UBlock handles them well if you enable the cookie notice list. If one slips through, I now accept all because cookies are erased as soon as I close my browser
janakali@lemmy.4d2.org · 1 pts · 93d
I just zap the banner and make a mental note not to use this website again. If itâs something essential to me, Iâd probably add a custom filter - but that hasnât been an issue so far.
JTskulk@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 93d
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cookie-autodelete/
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 93d
Isnt this a feature in base Firefox? You can tell it to delete all cookies on close except for sites you add exceptions for
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 93d
By default firefox can only do this on browser close not on tab close. I never used this extension but this seems like a good upgrade to only deleting on exit.
JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 93d
Thank you!!
JTskulk@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 92d
<3
Kaligalis@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 92d
What browsers really should implement is to store all third party cookies in a jar for the specific site I am on until I navigate to another domain or close the tab. The cookies are saved and returned to the 3rd party sites embedded in the site I use. But if the same 3rd party sites are also embedded in other sites, they have to send fresh cookies.
Cookies become useless for tracking and all the legislation specifically around them can be axed.
justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 92d
That feature is called containers on Firefox
DarkCloud@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 94d
Settings > Privacy > Manage> Select unwanted cookies and remove them.
Solrac@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 92d
Just open dev tools, storage, nuke them
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 2 pts · 94d
Reject all cookies by default + noscript.
Occasional websites I use frequently that use cookies for session management get a whitelist exception.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 92d
I just use the I Don't Care About Cookies addon.
I don't know if it's just agreeing or disagreeing, but I suspect they're all selling your data regardless of what you pick.
Little1Lost@gehirneimer.de · 2 pts · 93d
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/istilldontcareaboutcookies/
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 92d
ALT+F4 also works or cmd+Q
Epzillon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 93d
I just run uMatrix and AdNauseam on Zen. If a banner shows up after allowing scripts its the good ol' right click > block element.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 93d
I used to run umatrix, I wonder why I stopped. I think people said it was unsupported or something so I use NoScript now
diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 93d
I mean do you really think they donât use cookies when you donât press accept anyway?
osanna@lemmy.vg · 1 pts · 92d
âStrictly necessaryâ my fat arse
chunes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 92d
just hide cookie-related shit with ublock origin