I mean, I prefer light roasts where the coffee is more dark brown. But coffee is coffee. It needs no additives. Unless you're talking about a pinch of salt to add to a cold brew.
Looks like countries in Europe and North Africa with at least one Starbucks store.
From my own experience living in a couple of those countries, this doesn't mean much as Starbuck presence in some is pretty much residual with a handful of places in main cities or airports, serving mostly tourists (who, at least at first, don't know they can get better and way cheaper coffee - not to mention pastries - in the local coffee shops which are all over the place)
For example, the UK (which has zero coffee tradition, though it does have the imported notion of patisserie in places like London) has lots of Starbucks whilst for example there are all of 11 Starbucks shops (almost all of which in tourist areas, two of which in the Airport) in Lisbon which is the capital of Portugal (a city of 1 - 2 million people), whilst there are thousands (probably tens of thousands, as they're stupidly common) local coffee places just in Lisbon plus pretty much all local restaurants serve proper expressos made with properly roasted good quality Arabica beans (though Portugal does have a tendency for over-roasting) in Italian expresso machines.
That map most definitelly does not confirm the claim of Starbucks being a thing in Europe since a lot of that green is "is present", not "it's common", much less "has a large market share".
Me neither. I still can't figure out why they burn the fuck out of their beans, or who likes that flavor. Outside of some bottom of the barrel instant shit it's literally the worst coffee I've ever had.
Used to work there, that's exactly right. Same reason McDonald's makes their burgers so well done. What chains sell isn't quality, but consistency, and it's easier to produce a consistent overcooked food product
Yeah, also why it isn't hard to outdo fast food with home cooking. The sauces might not be as good (since the food industry has those down to a science) but I made homemade meatballs on a whim last night and they were somehow both kinda bland as well as way better than any chain burger and comparable to premium burgers just from the cooking quality (despite the circuit breaker going off because my air fryer and freezer cycled on at the same time and having to guess at how much time was left on the timer lol).
Though IMO McDonald's has the lamest patties out of all the fast food places. No idea how they got and stayed so big based on them. A&W and Wendy's have far better burger patties, though even they are still a far cry from good homemade ones cooked well (but not well done).
Yes. Coffee is as susceptible to terroir as wine and can vary season to season. So lots of companies mix up their beans from different farms and over-roast them (reducing the caffeine in the process) in order to get a consistent flavor. And when I say "consistent" I mean they all effectively taste the same. I buy "medium roast" coffee from Costco from time to time. I've bought it from several different labels and the beans all taste the same. So I just took to mixing it all up into my "here's what I'm drinking because I can't spend more on good coffee now" bin. Which is clear. Before mixing it up it all looks the same as well. Hell, it might all actually just be the same coffee being sold under different labels!
Also burnt coffee is bitter and drives people to add flavor shots, etc to it. Which Starbuck's likes because that's where the money is.
To be fair: a company or small business can make a conscious decision to make a certain product with a certain property that might be not the most profitable due to principles.
I have this conversation with my wife. Her reply is that Starbucks has better ordering infrastructure where she doesn't have to get out of the car when she has the kids. I get that.
I live in Hawai'i. We have locally grown coffee. We have chains that sell said locally grown coffee, located in malls. And you STILL see people lined up at the Starbucks. Branding is a powerful thing. Notice that people who get Starbucks will say "I need a Starbucks" and not "I need a coffee." They've become conditioned to look for that green and that logo.
Having lived in multiple of those countries, lets just say that most of those greens aren't anywhere as green as in a few others and even the most green of all (probably the UK) aren't as green as the US.
For a lot of those countries (which have long traditions of good coffee), Startbucks have only a handful of stores in one or two major cities, mostly frequented by tourists since the locals can get better coffee from local coffee places and its way cheaper.
(Were I am now, Portugal, there's a coffee place just about in every corner in any city, plus restaurants, all serving perfect expressos from Italian made expresso machines, with the most expensive cup in a place like Lisbon costing about €1.20)
You're seriously deceiving yourself if you think there being and handful of Startbuck stores in touristic areas in a country with a strong tradition of coffee drinking is Starbucks being "a thing" there.
the americano is named for the us soldiers stationed in italy during wwii who would pour water into their espresso because it was "too strong". it's one part espresso to four parts water.
Probably not true? Though Wikipedia isn't an authoritative source obviously:
There is a popular belief that the name has its origins in World War II when American G.I.s in Italy diluted espresso with hot water to approximate the coffee to which they were accustomed. However, the Oxford English Dictionary cites the term as a borrowing from Central American Spanish café americano, a derisive term for mild coffee, dating back to the middle of the 1950s. Its first use in English appeared in the Jamaican newspaper The Sunday Gleaner in 1964. The term caffè americano entered Italian later than the English or Spanish uses, suggesting the term originates outside of Italy.
Yes for the Starbucks addicts and electric wand users, but even black coffee consumers are drinking some mild bean water instead of proper coffee. Even our espresso is weak af most of the time.
I have a moka pot at home for an afternoon espresso, but when I have to plow through emails or set up files or drive to work, I want something that I can sip on for awhile. Sure I could have a tea, but drop coffee is very pleasant for that situation. It's like nursing a beer versus a shot of vodka.
Yeah caffeine content for something you could measure but I was more talking about flavor. Shit beans are very common in the US but we also use more water and fewer beans so even when you get good coffee it just feels a bit diluted, even black. At least from restaurants and cafes, I'm perfectly happy with most home brewed coffee here as long as it's not like foldgers from a clock/coffee maker combo, even some of cupped Keurig-like stuff is okay. I feel like our cold brews are decent too.
Yup. That said, espresso also uses more coffee per amount of liquid, and the amount of caffeine is basically a function of the amount of coffee and how long it's in contact with the water.
We probably have as many normal cafes here as we have sugarbomb-starbucks corpo type places, especially in the cities. They'll serve you a 12oz or 16oz black coffee and you add what you want into it at a self service counter. I usually add a splash of oat milk.
Yeah, no… I’m there all the time. The coffee is the same as far as caffeine goes by type or volume. An espresso is an espresso, an Americano is the same as a normal cup of American coffee. Europe doesn’t have “magic beans” with triple the caffeine, and no sane person is ordering triple-shot European “large” cups to go. I bring home ground or whole coffee all the time, it’s the same.
What Europe does do is put the shot of coffee in a smaller “large” so you can actually taste the coffee and not drown it in as much milk or put sugary crap in it. The American norm is the “dessert” in a giant cup nominally called coffee, which is essentially a flavored milk drink with a dash of coffee. “Why is the coffee so much better here?” is something I hear often enough in Europe, and that’s the answer. Less crap.
Reminds me of a buddy of mine who came to stay with me when I lived in Boca Raton. I dig the occasional cafecito and so I have a couple moka pots, one of which is big enough to make like six Cuban espressos. Braddah crams the thing full, presses it down, and crams more in (thought he was going to blow my moka pot because of how dense it was packed). He then found the biggest coffee mug I had and poured the contents of the moka pot into that mug once it was done brewing. Apparently this was a normal thing for him.
Yeah, on this slightly newer table, the US is the 70th highest consumer of coffee per capita. The vast majority of European countries consume more dry coffee.
I've not been to the States, but is drip coffee likely to get over-extracted (which is what we tend to describe as "burnt")? I would have thought that it would be stale from sitting on the hot plate, and flat if the water's from a reservoir, but probably under-extracted unless the water's too hot to start.
Partly over extraction, but mainly all of the "common" coffee here are medium dark or dark roast adjacent blends, which tends towards those maltier, burnt flavors and tends to be "smoother" when mixed with creme and sugar than more fruity light roasts.
There are plenty of light and medium roasts everywhere, but if you dont specify, you will get a darker roast.
As another commenter says, it's their custom of making drip coffee and then leaving it on a hot plate to denature all flavour remaining after the aromatics have been cooked off
Listen. I am a coffee snob. I have friends who send me unique coffees from their travels, coffees that have light roasts and mangosteen flavor notes. I am adept at using a Hario pour-over, with a scale, and beans that I grind myself every morning. I know how to tweak my pours to change the flavor and body of my coffee, depending on the roast and bean. With all of that being said, I still have, deep in my heart, a love for that stale, black charcoal water that's been sitting on a hot plate since time immemorial, poured into a scratchy ceramic mug and slid over to me with minimal effort and even an air of contempt by a woman who smells of Virginia Slim cigarettes and calls me "hon'" when impatiently asking me for my order. Nothing pairs better with crispy corned beef hash and runny eggs. Nothing.
Starbucks coffee is actually espresso-based, if you order drip coffee in a Starbucks it won't have a gallon of milk in it. They just both taste burned because of the heavily roasted beans.
I'd argue that Starbuck's drip coffee isn't really their main/default/standard product. Most people who choose Starbucks over other options are going for the "bucket of milk with a little espresso" drinks, their drip coffee is more of a "I want to stay in this café for a while and spend as little money as possible" option.
Coffee is brewed in ratios of beans:water that varies depending on the style being made. An espresso in Europe should be more or less the same size as an espresso in the states. Same for pour over, cold brew, lattes, etc
"Americano" got its name from US soldiers coming to France during World War 2. They didn't like our coffee, it was too strong for them. So the French added water and named it "Americano" to mock Americans.
Ehhh, the French mocking people is hardly something to stand on as an argument. Other things the French will mock people for:
pronouncing bread names wrong
attempting to pronounce bread names correctly
liking the Eiffel Tower
not liking the Eiffel Tower
speaking French
not speaking French
An Americano is also not just coffee, it is espresso. This is like saying someone can’t handle their liquor because they ask for a cocktail they can sip on instead of straight shots of vodka. I do like shots of espresso as a pick me up sometimes, but other times I want something I can sip on whilst talking with a friend or working. Much like how sometimes I will slam back whiskey like it’s water, or make a nice cocktail if I’m taking it easy and want to enjoy myself.
I’m not saying European coffee is bad, I’m saying that if you’re you want a large amount of hot beverage then espresso is not the appropriate style of coffee, and that drip coffee can in fact be very tasty.
Drip coffee is much more common in the North America, and generally what people are referring to when they say “can I get a coffee”.
118 Comments
zeroConnection@programming.dev · 180 pts · 88d
Meanwhile in America:
WillStealYourUsername@piefed.blahaj.zone · 37 pts · 88d
as someone who doesn't like coffee I can tell you what she's drinking is also coffee
zeroConnection@programming.dev · 61 pts · 88d
Coffee flavoured dessert.
Rinox@feddit.it · 1 pts · 87d
When 90% is some form of cream or sugar, that's not coffee
toomanypancakes@crazypeople.online · 23 pts · 88d
Blacker than a moonless night. That is coffee.
zeroConnection@programming.dev · 16 pts · 88d
Yes
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 87d
I mean, I prefer light roasts where the coffee is more dark brown. But coffee is coffee. It needs no additives. Unless you're talking about a pinch of salt to add to a cold brew.
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 88d
Reminds me of this cyanide and happiness skit
mech@feddit.org · 17 pts · 88d
That's not dessert, that's more calories than a family of 5 needs in a week.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 88d
It appears to be 2 large caramel frappuccinos coming in at 470 calories apiece. So 940 calories.
Although I'm not very familiar with Starbucks drinks so could be something else.
Lot of calories to drink still
zeroConnection@programming.dev · 10 pts · 88d
"American dessert" - is that more accurate?
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 86d
Basically a meal worth of calories that we've been conditioned to consider a mid day treat or pick me up.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 88d
I don't understand why anyone goes to Starbucks. I just go to the local coffee houses, and they are awesome.
It's certainly not just a US thing.
zeroConnection@programming.dev · 8 pts · 88d
What does the map show?
Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 87d
Shows some countries around Europe in Green
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 87d
Countries that Starbucks had conquered in Risk. This means they get an extra 5 armies on their next turn.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 87d
Looks like countries in Europe and North Africa with at least one Starbucks store.
From my own experience living in a couple of those countries, this doesn't mean much as Starbuck presence in some is pretty much residual with a handful of places in main cities or airports, serving mostly tourists (who, at least at first, don't know they can get better and way cheaper coffee - not to mention pastries - in the local coffee shops which are all over the place)
For example, the UK (which has zero coffee tradition, though it does have the imported notion of patisserie in places like London) has lots of Starbucks whilst for example there are all of 11 Starbucks shops (almost all of which in tourist areas, two of which in the Airport) in Lisbon which is the capital of Portugal (a city of 1 - 2 million people), whilst there are thousands (probably tens of thousands, as they're stupidly common) local coffee places just in Lisbon plus pretty much all local restaurants serve proper expressos made with properly roasted good quality Arabica beans (though Portugal does have a tendency for over-roasting) in Italian expresso machines.
That map most definitelly does not confirm the claim of Starbucks being a thing in Europe since a lot of that green is "is present", not "it's common", much less "has a large market share".
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 87d
Me neither. I still can't figure out why they burn the fuck out of their beans, or who likes that flavor. Outside of some bottom of the barrel instant shit it's literally the worst coffee I've ever had.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 87d
My guess is dark and medium roasts are more common than light roasts because it masks low quality coffee beans better.
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 87d
Used to work there, that's exactly right. Same reason McDonald's makes their burgers so well done. What chains sell isn't quality, but consistency, and it's easier to produce a consistent overcooked food product
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 87d
Yeah, also why it isn't hard to outdo fast food with home cooking. The sauces might not be as good (since the food industry has those down to a science) but I made homemade meatballs on a whim last night and they were somehow both kinda bland as well as way better than any chain burger and comparable to premium burgers just from the cooking quality (despite the circuit breaker going off because my air fryer and freezer cycled on at the same time and having to guess at how much time was left on the timer lol).
Though IMO McDonald's has the lamest patties out of all the fast food places. No idea how they got and stayed so big based on them. A&W and Wendy's have far better burger patties, though even they are still a far cry from good homemade ones cooked well (but not well done).
Consistent but low quality is so boring.
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 87d
Yes. Coffee is as susceptible to terroir as wine and can vary season to season. So lots of companies mix up their beans from different farms and over-roast them (reducing the caffeine in the process) in order to get a consistent flavor. And when I say "consistent" I mean they all effectively taste the same. I buy "medium roast" coffee from Costco from time to time. I've bought it from several different labels and the beans all taste the same. So I just took to mixing it all up into my "here's what I'm drinking because I can't spend more on good coffee now" bin. Which is clear. Before mixing it up it all looks the same as well. Hell, it might all actually just be the same coffee being sold under different labels!
Also burnt coffee is bitter and drives people to add flavor shots, etc to it. Which Starbuck's likes because that's where the money is.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 87d
Makes me wish producers were in the game to sell good products rather than to sell as much as they can of anything they think will make a profit.
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 87d
Yeah, people forget the point of capitalism isn't to satisfy the consumer. It's to maximize returns to the current owners.
If they can do that with good products, they will. If they can make more money with a shitty product, the that's what's on the menu
prenatal_confusion@feddit.org · 1 pts · 87d
To be fair: a company or small business can make a conscious decision to make a certain product with a certain property that might be not the most profitable due to principles.
But yes, almost none do.
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 7 pts · 87d
I have this conversation with my wife. Her reply is that Starbucks has better ordering infrastructure where she doesn't have to get out of the car when she has the kids. I get that.
I live in Hawai'i. We have locally grown coffee. We have chains that sell said locally grown coffee, located in malls. And you STILL see people lined up at the Starbucks. Branding is a powerful thing. Notice that people who get Starbucks will say "I need a Starbucks" and not "I need a coffee." They've become conditioned to look for that green and that logo.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 87d
Having lived in multiple of those countries, lets just say that most of those greens aren't anywhere as green as in a few others and even the most green of all (probably the UK) aren't as green as the US.
For a lot of those countries (which have long traditions of good coffee), Startbucks have only a handful of stores in one or two major cities, mostly frequented by tourists since the locals can get better coffee from local coffee places and its way cheaper.
(Were I am now, Portugal, there's a coffee place just about in every corner in any city, plus restaurants, all serving perfect expressos from Italian made expresso machines, with the most expensive cup in a place like Lisbon costing about €1.20)
You're seriously deceiving yourself if you think there being and handful of Startbuck stores in touristic areas in a country with a strong tradition of coffee drinking is Starbucks being "a thing" there.
UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 87d
Last time I was in Portugal, 90% of the coffee was of the same aweful brand, think it was called Delta? Is that still as dominant?
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 87d
Sadly, yes.
That's the one which IMHO tends to be over-roasted.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 87d
it's spelled Rebbekahh.
Starbucks = hot Dairy Queen
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 69 pts · 88d
The same coffee + a gallon of water:
American coffee!
zeroConnection@programming.dev · 61 pts · 88d
Not really, you're forgetting half a galon of sugars, syrups, creams and spices
lime@feddit.nu · 29 pts · 88d
the americano is named for the us soldiers stationed in italy during wwii who would pour water into their espresso because it was "too strong". it's one part espresso to four parts water.
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 88d
Probably not true? Though Wikipedia isn't an authoritative source obviously:
lime@feddit.nu · 10 pts · 88d
yeeeeah but it gets their panties in a twist
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 88d
Fair enough :)
axus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 87d
This is the same logic that elected Donald Trump
lime@feddit.nu · 4 pts · 87d
i think we need to update godwins law
DillDough@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 88d
Yes for the Starbucks addicts and electric wand users, but even black coffee consumers are drinking some mild bean water instead of proper coffee. Even our espresso is weak af most of the time.
WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social · 4 pts · 88d
I just want something to sip on through my morning. 3 cups of drip coffee with milk lasts a few hours.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 88d
I do decaf when I drink too much regular coffee, it's allowed 😺
ol_capt_joe@piefed.ee · 2 pts · 88d
but not with milk after 11! 🤌
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 88d
Of course not 🤌🏼 , only tourists do that!
WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social · 2 pts · 88d
I have a moka pot at home for an afternoon espresso, but when I have to plow through emails or set up files or drive to work, I want something that I can sip on for awhile. Sure I could have a tea, but drop coffee is very pleasant for that situation. It's like nursing a beer versus a shot of vodka.
noxypaws@pawb.social · 3 pts · 88d
how do you measure strength of coffee? caffeine content?
DillDough@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 87d
Yeah caffeine content for something you could measure but I was more talking about flavor. Shit beans are very common in the US but we also use more water and fewer beans so even when you get good coffee it just feels a bit diluted, even black. At least from restaurants and cafes, I'm perfectly happy with most home brewed coffee here as long as it's not like foldgers from a clock/coffee maker combo, even some of cupped Keurig-like stuff is okay. I feel like our cold brews are decent too.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 88d
Espresso doesn't just have a high concentration of caffeine, it also has a high concentration of every other part of the coffee bean.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 87d
It has less caffeine because it extracts quickly under pressure. Strength = flavor
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 87d
Yup. That said, espresso also uses more coffee per amount of liquid, and the amount of caffeine is basically a function of the amount of coffee and how long it's in contact with the water.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 87d
the worst was old percolated coffee people drank in the 60s-70s, just bitter and caffeine.
noxypaws@pawb.social · 1 pts · 88d
true, hence the high pressure through compressed grounds
Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
I always forget that sugar never left the Americas. But at least you get tea with gag milk!
CandyPants@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 88d
Hydration is important!
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 60 pts · 88d
America:
danekrae@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 88d
Here is a medium size from america:
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 54 pts · 88d
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 88d
Would you like fries with that? For $1.30 extra you can biggie size it….
mech@feddit.org · 34 pts · 88d
But there's more caffeine in that than in the gallon jug full of syrup and milk you get in the US.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 88d
We probably have as many normal cafes here as we have sugarbomb-starbucks corpo type places, especially in the cities. They'll serve you a 12oz or 16oz black coffee and you add what you want into it at a self service counter. I usually add a splash of oat milk.
Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 87d
Cold brew with a little oat milk is great
adam_y@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 87d
FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 88d
Yes but it also has 3× the caffeine compared to an American large. They're just efficient
ol_capt_joe@piefed.ee · 8 pts · 88d
🍺 vs 🥃
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 88d
Energy drink time :3
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
Yeah, no… I’m there all the time. The coffee is the same as far as caffeine goes by type or volume. An espresso is an espresso, an Americano is the same as a normal cup of American coffee. Europe doesn’t have “magic beans” with triple the caffeine, and no sane person is ordering triple-shot European “large” cups to go. I bring home ground or whole coffee all the time, it’s the same.
What Europe does do is put the shot of coffee in a smaller “large” so you can actually taste the coffee and not drown it in as much milk or put sugary crap in it. The American norm is the “dessert” in a giant cup nominally called coffee, which is essentially a flavored milk drink with a dash of coffee. “Why is the coffee so much better here?” is something I hear often enough in Europe, and that’s the answer. Less crap.
rtxn@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 88d
Comedian suffers culture shock and downs an American quantity of Cuban coffee
Sibbo@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 88d
Culture shock turns into an electric shock when the paramedics try to revive him
rtxn@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 88d
Potion of Ventricular Tachycardia (grande)
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 1 pts · 87d
Pathetic
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 87d
Reminds me of a buddy of mine who came to stay with me when I lived in Boca Raton. I dig the occasional cafecito and so I have a couple moka pots, one of which is big enough to make like six Cuban espressos. Braddah crams the thing full, presses it down, and crams more in (thought he was going to blow my moka pot because of how dense it was packed). He then found the biggest coffee mug I had and poured the contents of the moka pot into that mug once it was done brewing. Apparently this was a normal thing for him.
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 87d
Oisteink@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 88d
Because we have 2x the amount of beans. We dont drink «coffee», we drink ¡coffee!
https://coffeeabout.com/coffee-consumption-by-country/
egrets@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 88d
Yeah, on this slightly newer table, the US is the 70th highest consumer of coffee per capita. The vast majority of European countries consume more dry coffee.
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 87d
Espresso takes more coffee per serving than American drip, so comparing dry is going to he misleading.
egrets@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 87d
That's kind of the point.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 88d
Does nescafe even count as real coffee?
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 87d
No. And it's a crime against coffee and ecology.
NotSteve_@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 88d
Hell yeah, let's go Canada!
9point6@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 88d
Americans: how many gallons of milk do you want me to put this burnt filter coffee in?
egrets@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 88d
I've not been to the States, but is drip coffee likely to get over-extracted (which is what we tend to describe as "burnt")? I would have thought that it would be stale from sitting on the hot plate, and flat if the water's from a reservoir, but probably under-extracted unless the water's too hot to start.
Unlix86@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 88d
Burnt in this case would be leaving it on the hot plate for too long methinks
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 88d
rainwall@piefed.social · 6 pts · 88d
Partly over extraction, but mainly all of the "common" coffee here are medium dark or dark roast adjacent blends, which tends towards those maltier, burnt flavors and tends to be "smoother" when mixed with creme and sugar than more fruity light roasts.
There are plenty of light and medium roasts everywhere, but if you dont specify, you will get a darker roast.
9point6@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 88d
As another commenter says, it's their custom of making drip coffee and then leaving it on a hot plate to denature all flavour remaining after the aromatics have been cooked off
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 5 pts · 87d
Listen. I am a coffee snob. I have friends who send me unique coffees from their travels, coffees that have light roasts and mangosteen flavor notes. I am adept at using a Hario pour-over, with a scale, and beans that I grind myself every morning. I know how to tweak my pours to change the flavor and body of my coffee, depending on the roast and bean. With all of that being said, I still have, deep in my heart, a love for that stale, black charcoal water that's been sitting on a hot plate since time immemorial, poured into a scratchy ceramic mug and slid over to me with minimal effort and even an air of contempt by a woman who smells of Virginia Slim cigarettes and calls me "hon'" when impatiently asking me for my order. Nothing pairs better with crispy corned beef hash and runny eggs. Nothing.
9point6@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 87d
I love the romance of that scene, and I do enjoy an American dinner, but I'm sorry that coffee is just dreadful
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 2 pts · 88d
Starbucks coffee is actually espresso-based, if you order drip coffee in a Starbucks it won't have a gallon of milk in it. They just both taste burned because of the heavily roasted beans.
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 87d
Starbucks regular coffee is drip, not espresso.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 87d
I'd argue that Starbuck's drip coffee isn't really their main/default/standard product. Most people who choose Starbucks over other options are going for the "bucket of milk with a little espresso" drinks, their drip coffee is more of a "I want to stay in this café for a while and spend as little money as possible" option.
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 87d
It's been a quarter century since I worked for them - but our most common order was definitely drip coffee at the time.
UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 87d
It does not.
thefluffiest@feddit.nl · 14 pts · 88d
“Coffee should be black as hell, strong as death and sweet as love”
BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 88d
Coffee is brewed in ratios of beans:water that varies depending on the style being made. An espresso in Europe should be more or less the same size as an espresso in the states. Same for pour over, cold brew, lattes, etc
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 87d
At least we make real coffee instead of tea with coffee flavor
Zron@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 87d
What’s “real coffee”
Coffee is made from ground up coffee beans steeped in water.
Do you just eat the beans?
Is this the European health secret?
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 87d
No that's health insurance leading to the ability to actually go to the doctor when you're sick
Jaberw0cky@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 86d
It is! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVE5iPMKLg
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 86d
"Americano" got its name from US soldiers coming to France during World War 2. They didn't like our coffee, it was too strong for them. So the French added water and named it "Americano" to mock Americans.
Zron@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 85d
Ehhh, the French mocking people is hardly something to stand on as an argument. Other things the French will mock people for:
An Americano is also not just coffee, it is espresso. This is like saying someone can’t handle their liquor because they ask for a cocktail they can sip on instead of straight shots of vodka. I do like shots of espresso as a pick me up sometimes, but other times I want something I can sip on whilst talking with a friend or working. Much like how sometimes I will slam back whiskey like it’s water, or make a nice cocktail if I’m taking it easy and want to enjoy myself.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 85d
FYI espresso is normal coffee.
Zron@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 85d
It absolutely is not.
Luccus@feddit.org · 1 pts · 87d
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 88d
The coffee machine at work allows you to queue up cappuccinos, so I can fill my mug with a double.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 10 pts · 88d
Espresso espresso cappuccino at my office. But no queue, just people giving me side eye as I keep pressing buttons.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 88d
Haha, amazing
lime@feddit.nu · 6 pts · 88d
the coffee machine has the button for a normal cup labeled "☕☕"
aggrandizing little shit.
adam_y@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 87d
megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 87d
I mean, unless you want have more liquid to drink and want it to taste good.
If you just want to consume caffeine as fast as possible, caffeine pills exist.
adam_y@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 87d
megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 87d
I’m not saying European coffee is bad, I’m saying that if you’re you want a large amount of hot beverage then espresso is not the appropriate style of coffee, and that drip coffee can in fact be very tasty.
Drip coffee is much more common in the North America, and generally what people are referring to when they say “can I get a coffee”.
adam_y@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 86d
megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 86d
I was referring to drip coffee tasting good, as in, a large amount of good tasting hot beverage.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 87d
That full to the brim mini-shot cup is literally more quantity than a short expresso.
deft@lemmy.wtf · -19 pts · 88d
Europeans don't like taste that's the problem
Stole the spices across the world, made bland food. Sad.
Edit: Europeans mad their food isn't as good as they believed. Raided the world and came up short, not my problem.
ximtor@lemmy.zip · 25 pts · 88d
UK is not the whole of Europe though
deft@lemmy.wtf · -6 pts · 87d
Oh yes the delicious foods like maggoty cheese, excessively fermented fish, bull testicles and head cheese.
Delicious
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 87d
Don't forget the salted licorice!
I actually kind of like the salted licorice...
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 87d
maggoty cheese tastes incredible, as does fermented fish.
But, if you are used to Government American "cheese"...
Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 88d
What
That's a lot of generalization for a whole continent, and how is coffee even related to that?
deft@lemmy.wtf · -7 pts · 87d
It isn't. It's a joke.
People are just so sensitive especially Europeans
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 6 pts · 88d
Ah yes, espresso, known for its especially bland taste.
deft@lemmy.wtf · -5 pts · 87d
Specifically my point
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 88d
What do you think tea is made of?