Absolutely. I remember when Google Chrome started to be a thing, they had an actual video ad showing that it could load and render the Google homepage in like 100 ms. And so we all switched from Firefox, which had become large and bloated.
Now Chrome is full of a ton of useless crap, most web pages are painful without ad blockers, and there is pretty much zero effort put into efficient web design.
I remember the early 2000s internet, playing Ogame, trolling RP internet forums, browsing illegal pornography on 4chan with WT Snacks, damn, that was the real wild west of the internet...
Part of good website design back then was to set up the webpage so it shows the structure first, then fills in over the rest of the time, and also why interlacing was used a lot for images, so you could see the image gradually form over the load time vs. top to bottom or nothing at all until the end.
If you're really old enough, you remember being able to read the BBS text as it came in.
I mean this is true of MPAs that care about load times as well. Use server side rendering to send the initial HTML structure and then load only the JS that’s needed to interact with the current page state.
Because most dial up website pages took 5 seconds or less to load.
I found one of the most graphic heavy websites from 1998, sttng.com and it was 50KB. That's 10 seconds to load on a 56kbs modem (you'd never actually get 56kbs).
My grandparents still had dialup in the 2010s. I can remember in the early 2000s waiting 20-30 minutes for a Strong Bad Email to start playing so I could show my cousins.
The fun thing here is that pages actually loaded faster back then when internet access was via modem.
If you analyze a modern web page, e.g. an article from a newspaper, you usually download 20, 50, or even more megabytes in total: frameworks, tracking, and, worst of all, advertizing. All for maybe 2 kilobytes of text, and maybe 50 kilobytes of article-related picture.
All that junk did not exist back then. You only got a logo, and maybe the name of the paper as b&w image resembling the printed version, and a line of links for navigation as the only overhead. And the logo and title would be in the cache after the first load, and would be reused everywhere on the site without reloading from the net.
Oh wow. Seeing your name pop up with a comment like this is gold. You genuinely are smooth brained. You can have this much more of time to let you know youre an idiot. You think from 2005 to 2026 is ONE decade? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I remember when we were told every millisecond made sites lose users, and nowadays they download an entire OS worth of spyware without consequences. So we are going back to dial up load times soon enough.
i am going to crash out if ONE more website with an average of 4 monthly users puts on cloudflare "Under Attack Mode" and makes me sit through 15 seconds of verification before I can view their stupid webpage
Modern websites are bloated trash, so many advertisements and trackers and stupid JavaScript packages to build a shitty UI full of unnecessary animations and shit that adds nothing
Because we don't have dial-up anymore, so if it takes that long it's because someone made a shit website. See: every newspaper site that is like two paragraphs of text interspersed with 15 skyscraper listicle ads.
Feels the contrary as a frontend dev. Young ppl can stand with weird web design and carefully find out where to click in like GitHub or Gmail but old fella rage quit unfriendly desktop GUIs.
Personally, I think a bigger "fuck you" to the browsers that implement parts of standards that give websites more control than users (regarding blocking usual actions). Like with websites, I kinda get it; they don't want you to do something you normally can do for whatever reasons. But when the browser goes along with it, it is a betrayal because the browser was supposed to be on my side, not some asshole web dev's.
When an image is hosted by someone using quokk.au, this happens to me. I don't know what it is, but something about that instance just won't load sometimes.
I remember when porn was a hard to a way that took off it did to it and what came of it is obvious, which is why I am addict now. It's like all day bro.
This is just how I free speech bro. My tongue got powers of all the that could even be and do, but my dick has sores now AND THERE NOT STDS MOM I TOOK THE GARBAGE OUT I JUST BROUGHT IT BACK IN AND THEIR IT IS AND ISN'T, like God.
59 Comments
jtrek@startrek.website · 189 pts · 105d
With dial up, it felt like it was working. It was trying its best.
Now it feels like it's bogged down with ads and tracking and bots.
poinck@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 105d
Zorque@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 105d
I concur
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 104d
Jesus doesn't, therefore this is not consensusual
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 105d
Sanduhr Anzeige Programm
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 4 pts · 105d
So nämlich!
Yaky@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 103d
Satan's Accounting Program? Stop All Production?
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 105d
Dial up was offering you something you might not have ever seen before.
Not loading your page full of ads while you try to pay a utility bill.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 2 pts · 105d
Ads? What are they?
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 105d
Back then if it took more then that to load it was because you picked on a piece of media not the homepage.
Nowadays it's them making you download 300MB of JS so they can make images rotate in a gallery.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 29 pts · 105d
/300MB of trackers
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 105d
Yea JavaScript.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 5 pts · 105d
Afterwards they let you pick which of them they should run, ignore your choice, upload your drive to Google and install a crypto miner.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 105d
Remember early 2000s when one of the metrics to be a good website was how many milliseconds it took to load?
If your site had 120ms of overhead, it wasn't professional.
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today · 16 pts · 105d
Absolutely. I remember when Google Chrome started to be a thing, they had an actual video ad showing that it could load and render the Google homepage in like 100 ms. And so we all switched from Firefox, which had become large and bloated.
Now Chrome is full of a ton of useless crap, most web pages are painful without ad blockers, and there is pretty much zero effort put into efficient web design.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 105d
I moved back to Firefox soon after, and after the ad blocker ban I'm glad I made the switch back then
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 3 pts · 103d
I remember Opera parodying that ad.
DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 105d
Pepperidge Farms remembers!
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
I remember the early 2000s internet, playing Ogame, trolling RP internet forums, browsing illegal pornography on 4chan with WT Snacks, damn, that was the real wild west of the internet...
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 48 pts · 105d
Ironic
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 105d
Nowadays I ragequit every site that doesn't have a "reject all cookies" option.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 23 pts · 105d
Part of good website design back then was to set up the webpage so it shows the structure first, then fills in over the rest of the time, and also why interlacing was used a lot for images, so you could see the image gradually form over the load time vs. top to bottom or nothing at all until the end.
If you're really old enough, you remember being able to read the BBS text as it came in.
CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
I mean this is true of MPAs that care about load times as well. Use server side rendering to send the initial HTML structure and then load only the JS that’s needed to interact with the current page state.
Zachariah@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 105d
If you’re that old, you earned instant webpage load times.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 105d
Because most dial up website pages took 5 seconds or less to load.
I found one of the most graphic heavy websites from 1998, sttng.com and it was 50KB. That's 10 seconds to load on a 56kbs modem (you'd never actually get 56kbs).
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 105d
My grandparents still had dialup in the 2010s. I can remember in the early 2000s waiting 20-30 minutes for a Strong Bad Email to start playing so I could show my cousins.
Flash is what really changed things.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 105d
I mean 56/8 = 7 kB/s, 50/7 = 7.x, just add a bit of latency here and there, not really a surprise if it takes 10 seconds
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 105d
Yes that's why I said 10 seconds. I looked up the webpage on way back and divided it by 56kbs.
homik@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 105d
There was a noticeably bigger lag if it was across an ocean.
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
Wow only $5000 to own that domain! What a bargen.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
It was owned/run by a teen that was signed up as a customer on my ISP. He got a legal letter from Paramount and gave it up.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 105d
The fun thing here is that pages actually loaded faster back then when internet access was via modem.
If you analyze a modern web page, e.g. an article from a newspaper, you usually download 20, 50, or even more megabytes in total: frameworks, tracking, and, worst of all, advertizing. All for maybe 2 kilobytes of text, and maybe 50 kilobytes of article-related picture.
All that junk did not exist back then. You only got a logo, and maybe the name of the paper as b&w image resembling the printed version, and a line of links for navigation as the only overhead. And the logo and title would be in the cache after the first load, and would be reused everywhere on the site without reloading from the net.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 105d
Yup, it all exists to create employment because we still have an economic model that was around since we burned wood.
ieGod@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 104d
Websites using 'tech stacks' and AWS services to serve up what should be static html is the crime of the decade.
myrrh@ttrpg.network · 5 pts · 104d
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 103d
What do you mean? AWS only started getting popular around 2005, just over one decade ago...
baconsunday@lemmy.zip · -11 pts · 103d
Oh wow. Seeing your name pop up with a comment like this is gold. You genuinely are smooth brained. You can have this much more of time to let you know youre an idiot. You think from 2005 to 2026 is ONE decade? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 103d
sigh
I thought this joke was overdone enough that it didn't need a disclaimer.
baconsunday@lemmy.zip · -8 pts · 103d
See what happens when YOU think?
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 103d
Chill out
ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 13 pts · 105d
I remember when we were told every millisecond made sites lose users, and nowadays they download an entire OS worth of spyware without consequences. So we are going back to dial up load times soon enough.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 6 pts · 105d
What do you mean soon?
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 105d
If it takes 5 seconds to load the website it’s not going to finish. That’s usually an issue at the other end of the intertube.
homik@slrpnk.net · 18 pts · 105d
Or Cloudflare being Cloudflare.
Xylight@lemdro.id · 7 pts · 105d
i am going to crash out if ONE more website with an average of 4 monthly users puts on cloudflare "Under Attack Mode" and makes me sit through 15 seconds of verification before I can view their stupid webpage
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 105d
Modern websites are bloated trash, so many advertisements and trackers and stupid JavaScript packages to build a shitty UI full of unnecessary animations and shit that adds nothing
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 103d
Because we don't have dial-up anymore, so if it takes that long it's because someone made a shit website. See: every newspaper site that is like two paragraphs of text interspersed with 15 skyscraper listicle ads.
Ucarenya@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 105d
Feels the contrary as a frontend dev. Young ppl can stand with weird web design and carefully find out where to click in like GitHub or Gmail but old fella rage quit unfriendly desktop GUIs.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 105d
dude....same. I have ZERO chill for shitty UI design.
hide the menu automatically? fuck you.
hide the logout link? fuck you.
block access to ctrl+c? extra fuck you.
there's a special place in hell for product owners and shitty frontend devs right between Nazis and rapist clowns.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 104d
Personally, I think a bigger "fuck you" to the browsers that implement parts of standards that give websites more control than users (regarding blocking usual actions). Like with websites, I kinda get it; they don't want you to do something you normally can do for whatever reasons. But when the browser goes along with it, it is a betrayal because the browser was supposed to be on my side, not some asshole web dev's.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 104d
Which is why net neutrality is such a big issue. And, why the billionaires don't want it:
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/03/nx-s1-5247840/net-neutrality-fcc-struck
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 103d
When an image is hosted by someone using quokk.au, this happens to me. I don't know what it is, but something about that instance just won't load sometimes.
sidebro@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 105d
If it only takes five seconds to rage quit, you've got issues.
Blurntout@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 105d
“The old rage in colder ways, for they alone decide how to spend the young” ifykyk
Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 105d
Just use curl ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 104d
I remember when porn was a hard to a way that took off it did to it and what came of it is obvious, which is why I am addict now. It's like all day bro.
ApertureUA@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 103d
I can see it affected your speech too...
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 103d
This is just how I free speech bro. My tongue got powers of all the that could even be and do, but my dick has sores now AND THERE NOT STDS MOM I TOOK THE GARBAGE OUT I JUST BROUGHT IT BACK IN AND THEIR IT IS AND ISN'T, like God.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 103d
Uhh...
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 4 pts · 103d
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 103d
Don't make me gets the kerfundridger