> have alliance with Armenia
> Armenia requests help against Azerbaijan
> Russia doesn't do shit
> Armenia seeks other allies
> Enraged, the Putler threatens
Yes, obviously the EU is an evil an imperialistic empire duh... And the nations don't decide to join the EU, they get annexed by the evil bureaucrats in Brussels trying to destroy your identity and lives (/s to make it obvious)
Day 1825 of the 3 day special operation. They are successfully retreating on many fronts. In the back, many refineries heroically and patriotically intercept Ukrainian drones. In the black sea, the flagship missile carrier was converted into a submarine, the first of its kind in the world.
They'll get sent stuff by the West to slowly grind Russia to a pulp?
Okay, of course it's not that simple, and wartime is awful. Russia still has an aura of invincibility in eastern Europe, too. But come on, that as a threat, right now?
Maybe rule of law and democracy has something to do with it? Erdogan just jailed another opposition leader, what about Turkey do something about it before complaining why they can't join EU? What about stop occupying Cyprus?
I agree that current day Turkey is flawed and that Erdogan is leading Turkey down a bad path. But Turkey officially registered as a full EU candidate 15 years prior to his presidency.
They're still a candidate as far as I remember, but talks are frozen because Turkey didn't went through reforms it needed to become a member, that applies to many countries mostly balkans are stuck in negotiations for decades because they just don't want to reform. They'd like all benefits of EU without actually fulfilling any commitments, that's not what EU is about
That sounds like baseless claim, there's about 3mil Turkish people / Turkish descent born in Germany and about 7mil Turkish immigrants living in EU, nobody is afraid of them. What people are afraid of is Turkish politics that are far from being ready to join EU, they've shown over and over again they don't care about democracy or law, they want to join to suck up money and save their failing economy
It doesn't help when Turkey itself has a problem with racism and does a lot of authoritarian stuff that goes against the secular republic as it was envisaged by Atatürk. And of course by EU Standards the country isn't ready to join the EU and I think it will take a lot of reconstruction after the abolishment of "Erdoganism"
Here is an example coming from Britain with what I mean.
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birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 76 pts · 80d
> have alliance with Armenia
> Armenia requests help against Azerbaijan
> Russia doesn't do shit
> Armenia seeks other allies
> Enraged, the Putler threatens
Why are dictators like this?
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 80d
I mean, you know the answer, but it is not a mutually beneficial relationship. It's a relationship of violence, power and dependence.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 79d
You are the first one to mention the real issues.
alakey@piefed.social · 47 pts · 80d
Saving this for tankies who still act like russia is just "defending against NATO expansion" 😄
pastermil@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 80d
"They're also defending themselves against EU expansion"
timestatic@feddit.org · 4 pts · 80d
Yes, obviously the EU is an evil an imperialistic empire duh... And the nations don't decide to join the EU, they get annexed by the evil bureaucrats in Brussels trying to destroy your identity and lives (/s to make it obvious)
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 79d
This is what they actually believe.
wltr@discuss.tchncs.de · 41 pts · 81d
Did he mean he wants them to join Ukraine in bombing Russia?
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 80d
Worked like a charm the first time. 👍
P1k1e@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 80d
Rattles his saber so often the scabbard is in tatters
jenesaisquoi@feddit.org · 8 pts · 80d
Day 1825 of the 3 day special operation. They are successfully retreating on many fronts. In the back, many refineries heroically and patriotically intercept Ukrainian drones. In the black sea, the flagship missile carrier was converted into a submarine, the first of its kind in the world.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 20 pts · 80d
Wait, I thought Ukraine was invaded because they are Nazis and were going to join NATO...
KraeuterRoy@feddit.org · 17 pts · 81d
How many days are allotted for the following special military op? 2? 3?
...and how many days will it run over again?
jenesaisquoi@feddit.org · 11 pts · 80d
So you're going to waste 1 million+ of your own people and destroy your economy for a war you can't win?
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 79d
He found his groove and he's sticking with it.
timestatic@feddit.org · 10 pts · 80d
With what forces and manpower? They got completely diminished in Ukraine. And the Tankies still think this is the good guy
Reumacosimo@feddit.it · 9 pts · 80d
Waiting for greenmen at caucasian border
MushuChupacabra@piefed.world · 8 pts · 80d
Why would Putin threaten gett8ng his own ass kicked on another front?
Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 80d
Ah, yes. The another three days military operation? I think I have seen this before.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 80d
Big words from a desperate man.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 79d
Big desperate words from a small man.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 79d
Russia sure left armenia out out to dry.
They got attacked by their neighbor, that was backed by Turkey, and what did Russia do? Nothing.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 79d
BREAKING - Putin threatens to spend 4 years failing to conquer Armenia!
timochka@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 80d
One oresumes he's trying to appeal to their sense of pity. "Won't somebody think of the poor, dead, orks?"
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 79d
They'll get sent stuff by the West to slowly grind Russia to a pulp?
Okay, of course it's not that simple, and wartime is awful. Russia still has an aura of invincibility in eastern Europe, too. But come on, that as a threat, right now?
Professorozone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 79d
I used to think that Puten was just another dictator, but now I'm starting to think he's just like TACO.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 79d
To be fair, Taco fashions himself after all the other dictators.
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml · -4 pts · 80d
Europe welcoming Armenia but refusing Turkey for so long has some connotations huh
EatingOnions@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 80d
Maybe rule of law and democracy has something to do with it? Erdogan just jailed another opposition leader, what about Turkey do something about it before complaining why they can't join EU? What about stop occupying Cyprus?
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 80d
I agree that current day Turkey is flawed and that Erdogan is leading Turkey down a bad path. But Turkey officially registered as a full EU candidate 15 years prior to his presidency.
EatingOnions@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 80d
They're still a candidate as far as I remember, but talks are frozen because Turkey didn't went through reforms it needed to become a member, that applies to many countries mostly balkans are stuck in negotiations for decades because they just don't want to reform. They'd like all benefits of EU without actually fulfilling any commitments, that's not what EU is about
Brummbaer@pawb.social · -9 pts · 80d
It's not just that, there were also a lot of racist undertones coming from Germany.
I followed that a lot back in the day and it was mostly Germany being afraid of Turkish people getting into the EU.
EatingOnions@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 80d
That sounds like baseless claim, there's about 3mil Turkish people / Turkish descent born in Germany and about 7mil Turkish immigrants living in EU, nobody is afraid of them. What people are afraid of is Turkish politics that are far from being ready to join EU, they've shown over and over again they don't care about democracy or law, they want to join to suck up money and save their failing economy
Brummbaer@pawb.social · -2 pts · 80d
As I said it was one of the factors.
It doesn't help when Turkey itself has a problem with racism and does a lot of authoritarian stuff that goes against the secular republic as it was envisaged by Atatürk. And of course by EU Standards the country isn't ready to join the EU and I think it will take a lot of reconstruction after the abolishment of "Erdoganism"
Here is an example coming from Britain with what I mean.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/unfounded-claim-turkey-swing-brexit-referendum/
This was the same feeling in Germany back then. And the Turkish minority in Germany is confronted with enough racism on a daily basis.
Here is a more notorious example from Germany.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/15/neo-nazi-murders-revealing-germanys-darkest-secrets
timestatic@feddit.org · 2 pts · 80d
Yeah lets just ignore what Erdogan is doing to the CHP and Turkish opposition parties in general
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 77d
Yeah lets just ignore that Turkey's candidacy to the EU predates Erdogan's presidency by 15 years