And right there lies your misconception. Newer software is not heavier by definition. Quite the contrary it often gets more efficient because of constant optimisation and improvements.
The concept of newer software using up ressouces like crazy is the scam used by corporate OS' so you buy new hardware constantly.
OpenSUSE Tumblweed is just rolling redhat with cleaner standards like Fedora.
Saying OpenSUSE Leap is better than rolling releases Arch is a dumb comparison because you can apply that logic to any decent release based distro.
Arch will always be first for bleeding edge which is its primary use case. It would make sense to compsre it to Tumbleweed which achieves the same thing without the artificial PITA "debloat" of Arch requiring you install basic GNU stuff manually but still shipping with a fat as hell systemd dependency.
It has the downside of less 3rd party packsge support though. You'll likely find more in Arch and AUR than RPMFusion or COPR, especially for new stuff.
Leal and Fedora are cutting edge. Tumbleweed and Arch are bleeding edge.
They are unrelated, almost everything that this person written is wrong or uninformed. Suse uses modified rpm package manager, has their own (arguably better) user repo - OBS, both arch and opensuse aren't more 'bleeding edge' then other - multiple other distros including fedora (actually fedora adopts newer tech at much faster pace and often updates packages faster). Nobody 'debloats' default Arch installation and it includes gnu coreutils by default, systemd isn't a fat as hell dependency, etc. etc..
OpenSUSE will almost certainly feel slower and heavier than Arch on any given hardware. Zypper is way way way slower than pacman, more stuff is installed out of the box, and at least personally I see a lot of slowdowns due to BTRFS doing various maintenance. There are a lot of great reasons to use OpenSUSE, I've been using Tumbleweed on my desktop for years, but this is not one of them.
When installing openSUSE you can click the software packages hyperlink before accepting the install overview, and it brings you to the package list so you can remove patterns, or go detailed view and deslesect all and then select individual packages. You don't have to accept their default that it presents.
Slowroll is an interesting idea, but not much talk about it (maybe because experimental) and when I tried Tumbleweed I hated patterns. It also seems like the update model could be better, like a combo of security updates and stability based on ABI compatibility checks (ideally avoid breakage even if it means an older package, mark issue type with applications and tell me when updating may actually fix).
Nix too, but I'm not sure it'd do what I want easily. Plus, no dynamic linking is a double pain for me (on top of normal software, Godot+Nim-lang). Not sure about redundancy of app containers (which update on a diff time-frame) while having slow internet.
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RustyNova@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 56d
What's your argument for that?
I use nixos btw... Which isn't better when hydra has been down for a whole week now
CarlLandry357@lemmy.world · -30 pts · 56d
I think Arch's forced OS updates and want you to run the latest(heavy?) softwares, similar to Windows.
devfuuu@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 56d
You can just not update for weeks or months if that's your thing. If there's a thing arch doesn't do is force things.
CarlLandry357@lemmy.world · -18 pts · 56d
Not comfortable lol.
0x0@infosec.pub · 11 pts · 56d
Sure ok, so back to you being "forced", how?
Ooops@feddit.org · 12 pts · 56d
And right there lies your misconception. Newer software is not heavier by definition. Quite the contrary it often gets more efficient because of constant optimisation and improvements.
The concept of newer software using up ressouces like crazy is the scam used by corporate OS' so you buy new hardware constantly.
lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 56d
What the actual heck are you talking about lol. Arch is quite minimal out of the box. Of course it's your system, you can install whatever you want
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 55d
What are you even talking about? There's no such thing as "forced OS updates" on arch.
RustyNova@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 56d
Ok this is indeed solved by nix.
Not the bloat mind you. Nixos is the king of redundancy bloat (unless you use Btrfs and something like bees)
mlg@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 56d
OpenSUSE Tumblweed is just rolling redhat with cleaner standards like Fedora.
Saying OpenSUSE Leap is better than rolling releases Arch is a dumb comparison because you can apply that logic to any decent release based distro.
Arch will always be first for bleeding edge which is its primary use case. It would make sense to compsre it to Tumbleweed which achieves the same thing without the artificial PITA "debloat" of Arch requiring you install basic GNU stuff manually but still shipping with a fat as hell systemd dependency.
It has the downside of less 3rd party packsge support though. You'll likely find more in Arch and AUR than RPMFusion or COPR, especially for new stuff.
Leal and Fedora are cutting edge. Tumbleweed and Arch are bleeding edge.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 46d
I'm confused I thought SUSE and RHEL were unrelated branches of the distro tree?
esc@piefed.social · 3 pts · 43d
They are unrelated, almost everything that this person written is wrong or uninformed. Suse uses modified rpm package manager, has their own (arguably better) user repo - OBS, both arch and opensuse aren't more 'bleeding edge' then other - multiple other distros including fedora (actually fedora adopts newer tech at much faster pace and often updates packages faster). Nobody 'debloats' default Arch installation and it includes gnu coreutils by default, systemd isn't a fat as hell dependency, etc. etc..
turbowafflz@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 56d
OpenSUSE will almost certainly feel slower and heavier than Arch on any given hardware. Zypper is way way way slower than pacman, more stuff is installed out of the box, and at least personally I see a lot of slowdowns due to BTRFS doing various maintenance. There are a lot of great reasons to use OpenSUSE, I've been using Tumbleweed on my desktop for years, but this is not one of them.
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 54d
When installing openSUSE you can click the software packages hyperlink before accepting the install overview, and it brings you to the package list so you can remove patterns, or go detailed view and deslesect all and then select individual packages. You don't have to accept their default that it presents.
teft@piefed.social · 6 pts · 56d
That’s certainly an opinion.
bryndos@fedia.io · 4 pts · 55d
I'm not certain it is an opinion, I think it's a moderately successful trolling of a bunch of squares who take meme posts seriously.
I'm not certain that it counts as a meme though.
Probably should be linux-shitpost, I don't really know the difference though.
terraquad@feddit.org · 1 pts · 51d
just a statement (two if you take the post body into consideration)
houndeyes@toast.ooo · 5 pts · 56d
kopasz7@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 56d
Nix fixes that.
CarlLandry357@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 56d
Some Linux users don't have winter though.
kopasz7@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 56d
Woah, this just made me realize nix flakes are named so because the distro icon is a snowflake.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 56d
And every flake has a lock file which makes it unique.
madthumbs@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 56d
Repositories are what can make or break a distro, and OpenSUSE's sucks. Way too dependent on distro-agnostic software (bloat).
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 4 pts · 55d
Och. This post could have been so much more.
insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 56d
Slowroll is an interesting idea, but not much talk about it (maybe because experimental) and when I tried Tumbleweed I hated patterns. It also seems like the update model could be better, like a combo of security updates and stability based on ABI compatibility checks (ideally avoid breakage even if it means an older package, mark issue type with applications and tell me when updating may actually fix).
Nix too, but I'm not sure it'd do what I want easily. Plus, no dynamic linking is a double pain for me (on top of normal software, Godot+Nim-lang). Not sure about redundancy of app containers (which update on a diff time-frame) while having slow internet.
Legacy nvidia driver that's a pain now, too.