They investigated last time too. They ran out the clock on all the important stuff and nothing of consequence came of any of it but they technically did do quite a few investigations.
Investigations are great for them politically, why wouldn't they?
They sweep the house and set up special commissions investigating all of the wrongdoings very publicly and with much ceremony and somber pomp.
Then either they'll defer the discovered crimes to the justice department to make arrests (these will be ignored) or send impeachment proceedings to the senate (these will be swatted down).
This lets them "do something" without actually making any changes. It will also be coordinated with the media to be the focus of politics for a while and not something dangerous like young anti-capitalist upstarts trying to steal the party they rightfully rigged so long ago.
By making it seem like they're doing something the can also tamper down some of that anti establishment energy that's been boiling over recently.
“If we lose the midterms, heaven forbid, these Democrats — y’all, impeachment isn’t even the real concern,” the Louisiana Republican told a conservative audience on Friday. “They will turn every committee of Congress into an investigative body, and they’ll go after the president’s family, the Cabinet, his donors, friends, half of you in this room will be targeted.”
The House speaker added, “I run the protection program. I’ll take care of you.”
I've heard if you deport them fast enough and send them to a nonextradition country with a supermax prison then you don't even need to make a case against them. Seems a lot cheaper for the tax payers.
Hey, there’s like an infinite number of parallel universes where they do have the spine for it. Sucks we got stuck in the only one where they’re utterly useless.
Is it disappointment if you expect it? Or is it just resentment? Eh semantics. I'm just waiting for the economic crash so people finally are uncomfortable enough to do something about all this.
If the Dems don't hold MAGA responsible for their many CRIMES, it's YOUR fault.
Mamdani recently said:
"For far too long our party has seen its job as managing decline instead of delivering material change for working people. It has seen its job as explaining why we cannot instead of showing how we can."
YOU are part of "managing decline," either out of cowardice, or by design.
Politicians are generally lazy and greedy, and if you tell them that you expect nothing from them, give them permission to do nothing, and tell them that we'll do nothing about it, and that's exactly what they'll do - Northing - and they'll go right back to their favorite pastime, Insider Trading.
Last night, 29 year old Democratic Socialist Melat Kiros won her primary over a 15 term incumbent, and said:
"For decades Democrats have failed to meaningfully deliver for working families,” Kiros told POLITICO’s William Steakin late last night following her stunning victory in Colorado’s 1st Congressional District. “We have to root out the corruption and get money out of our politics … It’s about political will — and that means we have to vote out any of the incumbents that are standing in our way by taking that kind of corporate PAC money.”
You are talking about the OLD Democratic Party, the lazy, corrupt losers that helped MAGA gain power, and let them into the White House, TWICE. The MAGA Comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries are as responsible for that as MAGA itself, and the NEW Democrats that will take over after the Midterms will not will not accept their traditional Corporate Establishment Democratic Identities as Cowardly Weenies. They are being elected to make change, they are taking that charge seriously, and we need to support them with everything we've got.
We need to send the message that we will no longer accept them doing nothing. We already elected them once to do something about MAGA, and they fucked us over, and let MAGA back in. If we take it back again, we expect them to deal with MAGA decisively, crush it, and purge it from our government, and our society.
But instead, your response is: "We know you won't do anything to save us from the MAGA Parasites, but that's okay, we never really expected your help anyway."
I'm not American. But when I was in the country I was quite politically engaged.
I guess I just wonder what they, or even you, think qualifies as motivating action, because they've never responded in the past.
I'm not sure how 'motivating action' factors in to the belief that the Democratic party can change. That the Democratic party is changing, especially when looking at the recent wins for the left.
You'd need to help me understand what your point is. If your point is 'Blue MAGA' then I'd have to disagree, I have faith in men like Mamdani and young leftists to change the Democratic party.
Vance is now on record saying if the Nixon scandal happened today it wouldn't even make it on the news. That is how brazenly corrupt these asshats are.
No apologies, just the smug "we can grift all we want".
I’m not American, so some of the details may have been lost on me. I thought it was that Nixon and his campaign managers had organized for people to break into a DNC office in order to bug it and get insider information about their campaign?
I'll still vote blue begrudgingly, but I have very very VERY little faith in Dem leadership will do anything meaningful like putting the current administration in prison. I'm already expecting to be massively disappointed in the Dems doing fuck all if they gain power back. Love to be proved wrong, but establishment Dems still hold the party and you can't trust any of those stock trading bastards.
That's why you need to vote for the farthest left primary hand didn't matter how "unelectable" or "extreme" you were told they are because electing more centrists is the same as just selecting more Republicans
What powers, exactly, do you think they'd have if elected? They can investigate but they do not have the ability to put people in prison. The legislature and judiciary are separate branches.
If we're not stupid enough to refuse to vote again, we're just going to go back to spouting these impossible expectations and then blaming Democrats when they can't do it.
If they don't investigate anything then sure, they deserve to be criticized to hell and back.
Yeah, blue could win everything. They could have a supermajority in both chambers of Congress and pack the Supreme court to have an undeniable majority
And the Democrats would still ensure that no other conservatives see any kind of consequences.
As I've been telling any Democratic Coward/ MAGA Quisling that crosses my path: If that happens, it's your fault.
Statements like that give them permission to do nothing, and tells them that you will do nothing if they do nothing. And that's exactly what they'll do - Nothing. YOU are a "Strongly Worded Letter Democrat."
But the Citizens aren't doing nothing. Were taking the steps required to make the changes we all want. Right now, progressives are beating incumbents in primaries all over the country. In the Midterms, many of them will win, including several flips from MAGA Red to Progressive Blue. And once they're in office, there will be changes in leadership, and a new direction.
Those are steps we need to take, and the first one is already successfully under way. These new Dems are NOT going to sit back while DINO leadership defers to MAGA in everything.
IF you truly want the Dems to stand up to MAGA, then DEMAND that, not give them permission to fail, again.
If we are able to get our country back in 2028 whoever the president is then needs to use every bit of their power to arrest and prosecute every single person who went along with Donny’s agenda. If not we will do this all over again, but stupider and worse.
No, like the NEXT time, when we will prosecute and imprison them ruthlessly and mercilessly, and any Democrat that resists will be investigated, prosecuted, and imprisoned as well. Treason will no longer be tolerated by ANYONE.
Not necessarily. There will still be options for most of them, if we have the political will to play HARD BALL.
Also, it's important to remember that these people are literally career criminals. They don't know how to operate legally. Now that we know who they are and what they are up to, we will just prosecute them harshly for their future crimes - and there will be future crimes, they can't help it.
We just have to hound them for their entire lives. And their families. And their businesses. And their neighbors. Make everyone they know regret their association.
Make them American Pariahs. We could create an actual official list of Wanted Pardoned MAGA Criminals, and if any actionable criminal activity by these specific things individuals is uncovered, there is additional bonus rewards for reporting them. Encourage people to monitor them CLOSELY in every aspect of their lives.
And the entirety of the Joe Biden administration for the genocide in Gaza, and the entirety of the Bush administration for the illegal wars, and the entirety of the Obama administration for the illegal drone strikes, and the entirety of the...
If the Democrats take the House and Senate, it will be soul-crushing if they don't pursue a strong liberal-restoration agenda and fiercely prosecute the Republicans for engaging in blatant self dealing.
Thanks to the history I've lived, I don't expect them to, especially as the DNC shows signs of capture, but it will be very sad.
Then the Republicans will get back into office, and the US will fall in earnest, possibly attacking Canada and Greenland when the government bankrupts the state, and eventually ending with China and Europe bombing the snot out of DC.
If we're lucky, by then, chunks of the US will have seceded from the union to form smaller clusters of states, so that the entire nation doesn't have to be conquered by the Allies.
The DNC will be too busy trying to quash the popular Socialist movement, they won't have time for little issues like major crimes being committed by the government.
I hate that this is so plausible a scenario. I'd love to be proven wrong, I'd love to see a wave of stronger-left candidates elected in primaries and then to office, and I'd love if the party in general could see what an existential threat the current situation poses, whether one is talking about the level you're talking about or merely forever losing any credibility with their own base assuming some vaguely normal political situation continues from where we are now.
We're over the precipice of the collapse of the American experiment in democracy. It's not impossible to drag us back, but it'll take something heroic to get it done. The alternative is a long plunge down to some very sharp rocks.
Why does everybody assume that the Dems are going to do the same things that fucked them up the last time?
The voters want MAGA to be punished for their crimes, and they are electing people who intend to do that. It's a new world in the Democratic Party. MAGA DINOS are glowing brightly, and we all see who they are. They are as responsible for the rise and resurrection of MAGA as MAGA themselves, and if they don't actively take a redemption path, they are going to be primaried out in humiliating fashion.
They better get on board, or start punching up their resumes for their next job.
If that's the case, then it's YOUR fault. If you've been paying attention, like you imply, you should recognize that there is a powerful new movement in the Democratic Party, and instead of trying to get everybody to surrender in advance, like always, you could support them.
Instead, you'd rather give them permission to fail again, and let them know that you'll accept it, and guess what? They will. They'd rather go back to their Insider Trading hobby than do their jobs, so if you give them permission to ignore us, they happily will.
Instead of accepting their cowardice, you could scare them into doing their jobs, by threatening to primary them, threatening to vote against them, screaming at their phone call people, demanding they do their jobs, OR ELSE!
Or you can be a weak little pissant who tries to tell those who are fighting for YOU, that they are wasting their time.
No, it's your fault for accepting it, and assuming they will do nothing the next time, and allowing them to do nothing with no consequences.
Now they are seeing consequences. A 15 term do-nothing Rep was just beaten in the primaries by a KID! And there is a lot more of that going on, and it has become apparent to EVERYONE that we are on a new path.
You can be part of the old, weak, cowardly Democratic establishment, and help them crush this new trend, or you can get on board and give it more fuel.
If you don't, then yeah, whatever bad happens is your fault.
Yeah..same boat here. Doubt it very much, especially since both parties are capitalist parties so we know nothing of real substance will happen even if/when Democrats come into power again.
I've seen it somewhere else on here that Democrats are just the stewards of capitalism while Republicans push it further. I think that puts our situation into perspective perfectly. We need real change.
I think it's not enough to just vote blue, make sure you're going out and primarying the ones sitting on their asses cashing lobbyist checks. Not everyone has the time to go and canvas, but signing ballot petitions and voting, even early or mail in, are in most people's grasp.
Even if you don't kick them out of office, showing up with a strong challenger scares them into acting right and encourages more people to try and try harder.
In the last 30 years, Democrats have held a majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate during two periods: from 1993 to 1994 and from 2007 to 2010.
And you would be foolish to think the Reps don't have a couple of plans lined up to make sure that this won't happen. You guys are fucked. Kick their asses.
There are no Republicans any more. That was just their larval stage, before the morphed into their final form - MAGA. They are ALL MAGAs now.
Reps had some brain cells, but not MAGAs. One of the defining characteristics of every MAGA is their Virtuosic Incompetence. Sure, they'll have plans, but they are used to the primary objective being profit, not success. They don't care if their plans fail, as long as they were able to make money off it.
Look at the Reflecting Pool. A total disaster? Not for Trump, who almost certainly pocketed $10 million of the $14 million dollar cost, and will skim off even more from the repair budget.
Need another example? Consider Trump's career as a Serial Casino Bankrupter. People like to use it to illustrate why he's a bad businessman, but those weren't failures, they were a Business Model. Buy a casino, rape it for every penny of profit, borrow as much as you possibly can, don't pay your bills, stiff your contractors, file for bankruptcy, and stick all your creditors with the bills. And then do it over and over until the courts just won't allow it any more.
He has made an art out of profitable failure, and he'll do the same thing with the MAGA party. Sure, they've got a massive war chest, but do you think he's going to spend it on anyone but himself? He can't even run again, so he's just going to keep that campaign cash, which is reportedly close to a billion bucks. He can't let that go, his mental illness/ OCD won't allow it.
Ultimately, MAGA will hang themselves, long before the Dems get their shit together to do anything about it. I just hope there are a few Dems who will recognize that moment, and capitalize on it, even as the MAGA comedy duo of Schmuck & Jeffries attempts to help them to their feet, as the MAGAs spit on them the entire time. It's got to be a kink for those losers.
One can only hope, not that it'll go anywhere. They'll tie it up in procedure and delays, and make so much goddamn noise about how badly they're being "persecutied" by the "evil woke criminal communist leftists"that it'll drown out any actual information.
That will happen if the Dems continue with the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries. They will play along with MAGA, and act discouraged and outraged that MAGA is pulling these perfectly predictable actions that are easily avoidable, but somehow never are. It's barely excusable when they are the minority, but it is totally inexcusable, incompetence, and political malpractice to allow it when they have the Majority. MAGA manages to do anything they want when they have power, the Dems need to do the same thing.
We don't need leadership that will match them in corruption, we just need leadership that will play HARD BALL, and force MAGA to follow the laws of this country, or be punished like ANY OTHER CITIZEN.
No they won't. They'll protect them and post some dramatic tweets about how horrible they are. Centrist Democrats won't do jack shit. They're weak and in on the grift.
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jollyrogue@lemmy.ml · 124 pts · 34d
The Democrats are going to investigate your crimes? Are we talking about the same Democrats?
krashmo@lemmy.world · 85 pts · 34d
They investigated last time too. They ran out the clock on all the important stuff and nothing of consequence came of any of it but they technically did do quite a few investigations.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 38 pts · 34d
Just enough to get a bunch of investigators fired.
lemonbun@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 33d
if they don't dish out the death penalty heads will roll
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 33d
What are the results though? Results are what matter, not intentions
TRBoom@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 34d
Investigations are great for them politically, why wouldn't they?
They sweep the house and set up special commissions investigating all of the wrongdoings very publicly and with much ceremony and somber pomp.
Then either they'll defer the discovered crimes to the justice department to make arrests (these will be ignored) or send impeachment proceedings to the senate (these will be swatted down).
This lets them "do something" without actually making any changes. It will also be coordinated with the media to be the focus of politics for a while and not something dangerous like young anti-capitalist upstarts trying to steal the party they rightfully rigged so long ago.
By making it seem like they're doing something the can also tamper down some of that anti establishment energy that's been boiling over recently.
I hope they fucking fail.
justaman123@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 34d
Yeah, that does seem to be the safest bet for the current democratic party
First_Thunder@lemmy.zip · 75 pts · 34d
I wanna see a source for that quote. If it’s real, I’ll laugh my pants off
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 162 pts · 34d
Seems to be paraphrasing:
The House speaker added, “I run the protection program. I’ll take care of you.”
https://www.rawstory.com/mike-johnson-trump-2677119940/
https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/mike-johnson-protection-program-johnson-trump-midterms
Lasherz12@lemmy.world · 105 pts · 34d
I've heard if you deport them fast enough and send them to a nonextradition country with a supermax prison then you don't even need to make a case against them. Seems a lot cheaper for the tax payers.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 34d
If only the Democrats had that much spine.
X@piefed.world · 8 pts · 34d
Hey, there’s like an infinite number of parallel universes where they do have the spine for it. Sucks we got stuck in the only one where they’re utterly useless.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 34d
schumers and the dinos only has spine for israel.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 33d
That's not spine. That's AIPAC money.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 33d
spine made of Aipac money.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 2 pts · 34d
lol. You think ANYTHING will happen if the dems win the midterms?
Lasherz12@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 34d
Depends on the dems.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 34d
He’s just mad the Dems might steal their tactics
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 34d
I wish. My money's on the day one agenda being to pass some mealymouthed resolution about a return to decorum or something equally pissweak.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 34d
I expect disappointment as well
zeejoo@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 34d
Is it disappointment if you expect it? Or is it just resentment? Eh semantics. I'm just waiting for the economic crash so people finally are uncomfortable enough to do something about all this.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 34d
Spoiler alert: the something they will do about all this will make it worse.
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 34d
I just want to know how Dem oppo research hasnt been able to get a copy of Mike Johnson’s hidden cpu partitions.
BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 34d
FE80@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 34d
You would have to be a moron to believe Democrats will hold Republicans responsible for anything.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 21 pts · 34d
If the Dems don't hold MAGA responsible for their many CRIMES, it's YOUR fault.
Mamdani recently said:
YOU are part of "managing decline," either out of cowardice, or by design.
Politicians are generally lazy and greedy, and if you tell them that you expect nothing from them, give them permission to do nothing, and tell them that we'll do nothing about it, and that's exactly what they'll do - Northing - and they'll go right back to their favorite pastime, Insider Trading.
Last night, 29 year old Democratic Socialist Melat Kiros won her primary over a 15 term incumbent, and said:
You are talking about the OLD Democratic Party, the lazy, corrupt losers that helped MAGA gain power, and let them into the White House, TWICE. The MAGA Comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries are as responsible for that as MAGA itself, and the NEW Democrats that will take over after the Midterms will not will not accept their traditional Corporate Establishment Democratic Identities as Cowardly Weenies. They are being elected to make change, they are taking that charge seriously, and we need to support them with everything we've got.
We need to send the message that we will no longer accept them doing nothing. We already elected them once to do something about MAGA, and they fucked us over, and let MAGA back in. If we take it back again, we expect them to deal with MAGA decisively, crush it, and purge it from our government, and our society.
But instead, your response is: "We know you won't do anything to save us from the MAGA Parasites, but that's okay, we never really expected your help anyway."
Ew, gross. Grow a spine.
cockmushroom@reddthat.com · -10 pts · 34d
What do you say we check in on what you make of this statement about a year after midterms?
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 33d
It won't be any less true, you're literally sitting here running interception and making the dude's point for him.
cockmushroom@reddthat.com · -2 pts · 33d
I'm not American. But when I was in the country I was quite politically engaged. I guess I just wonder what they, or even you, think qualifies as motivating action, because they've never responded in the past.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 33d
I'm not sure how 'motivating action' factors in to the belief that the Democratic party can change. That the Democratic party is changing, especially when looking at the recent wins for the left.
You'd need to help me understand what your point is. If your point is 'Blue MAGA' then I'd have to disagree, I have faith in men like Mamdani and young leftists to change the Democratic party.
cockmushroom@reddthat.com · 0 pts · 32d
I wish the best of luck to you!
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 3 pts · 33d
Well you're in luck then, because a solid 30% of Americans are in fact morons, with another 20% precariously balanced on a knife edge
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 33d
The definition of Democrat is changing. The old guard is finally falling. This might actually work out after all. I’m skeptical but hopeful.
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 33d
So, a Republican?
Death__BySnuSnu@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 34d
I swear to God, I can't tell what's real and what's a meme anymore.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 34d
Vance is now on record saying if the Nixon scandal happened today it wouldn't even make it on the news. That is how brazenly corrupt these asshats are.
No apologies, just the smug "we can grift all we want".
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 33d
He’s probably not wrong, to be honest. Spying on the opponent seems to be basic campaigning now
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 33d
Oh Watergate was about far more than that.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 33d
I’m not American, so some of the details may have been lost on me. I thought it was that Nixon and his campaign managers had organized for people to break into a DNC office in order to bug it and get insider information about their campaign?
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
That was just one incident that lead to them being caught.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 34d
I'll still vote blue begrudgingly, but I have very very VERY little faith in Dem leadership will do anything meaningful like putting the current administration in prison. I'm already expecting to be massively disappointed in the Dems doing fuck all if they gain power back. Love to be proved wrong, but establishment Dems still hold the party and you can't trust any of those stock trading bastards.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 22 pts · 34d
That's why you need to vote for the farthest left primary hand didn't matter how "unelectable" or "extreme" you were told they are because electing more centrists is the same as just selecting more Republicans
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 34d
Yeah and just hope that the ones with a death count and literal Nazi tattoos aren't plants.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 34d
What powers, exactly, do you think they'd have if elected? They can investigate but they do not have the ability to put people in prison. The legislature and judiciary are separate branches.
If we're not stupid enough to refuse to vote again, we're just going to go back to spouting these impossible expectations and then blaming Democrats when they can't do it.
If they don't investigate anything then sure, they deserve to be criticized to hell and back.
Tidesphere@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 34d
Yeah, blue could win everything. They could have a supermajority in both chambers of Congress and pack the Supreme court to have an undeniable majority
And the Democrats would still ensure that no other conservatives see any kind of consequences.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 33d
Your tired defeatism is what they are hoping for.
Tidesphere@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 33d
I wasn't going for tired defeatism, perhaps I didn't communicate well enough.
khaleer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 33d
Nah you communicated it well, blue just act like democrats are going to do anything lmao
limer@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 33d
I think you summed it up. Except there certainly will be prosecutions of a few mid level people; like before. I do remember the trials.
Some people feel like if one is hopeful enough, the positive energy will rub off nationally.
However the only way to reform a country is to be realistic
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 34d
As I've been telling any Democratic Coward/ MAGA Quisling that crosses my path: If that happens, it's your fault.
Statements like that give them permission to do nothing, and tells them that you will do nothing if they do nothing. And that's exactly what they'll do - Nothing. YOU are a "Strongly Worded Letter Democrat."
But the Citizens aren't doing nothing. Were taking the steps required to make the changes we all want. Right now, progressives are beating incumbents in primaries all over the country. In the Midterms, many of them will win, including several flips from MAGA Red to Progressive Blue. And once they're in office, there will be changes in leadership, and a new direction.
Those are steps we need to take, and the first one is already successfully under way. These new Dems are NOT going to sit back while DINO leadership defers to MAGA in everything.
IF you truly want the Dems to stand up to MAGA, then DEMAND that, not give them permission to fail, again.
Tidesphere@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 34d
100% We have to show them that covering for their Republican friends will mean no more career for them.
JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 33d
People got a taste of Mamdani and decided that there was, in fact, better options.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 33d
If we are able to get our country back in 2028 whoever the president is then needs to use every bit of their power to arrest and prosecute every single person who went along with Donny’s agenda. If not we will do this all over again, but stupider and worse.
Eheran@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 33d
Ah, you mean like last time? Where nothing was prosecuted?
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 32d
No, like the NEXT time, when we will prosecute and imprison them ruthlessly and mercilessly, and any Democrat that resists will be investigated, prosecuted, and imprisoned as well. Treason will no longer be tolerated by ANYONE.
You work for US! Do your jobs, or else!
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 33d
If he pardons them there is nothing anyone can do... legally
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 33d
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 33d
Not necessarily. There will still be options for most of them, if we have the political will to play HARD BALL.
Also, it's important to remember that these people are literally career criminals. They don't know how to operate legally. Now that we know who they are and what they are up to, we will just prosecute them harshly for their future crimes - and there will be future crimes, they can't help it.
We just have to hound them for their entire lives. And their families. And their businesses. And their neighbors. Make everyone they know regret their association.
Make them American Pariahs. We could create an actual official list of Wanted Pardoned MAGA Criminals, and if any actionable criminal activity by these specific things individuals is uncovered, there is additional bonus rewards for reporting them. Encourage people to monitor them CLOSELY in every aspect of their lives.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 33d
That president also needs to close every single loophole Donny exposed.
They won't tho.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 33d
And the entirety of the Joe Biden administration for the genocide in Gaza, and the entirety of the Bush administration for the illegal wars, and the entirety of the Obama administration for the illegal drone strikes, and the entirety of the...
Grass@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 34d
Except they won't.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 34d
If the Democrats take the House and Senate, it will be soul-crushing if they don't pursue a strong liberal-restoration agenda and fiercely prosecute the Republicans for engaging in blatant self dealing.
Thanks to the history I've lived, I don't expect them to, especially as the DNC shows signs of capture, but it will be very sad.
Then the Republicans will get back into office, and the US will fall in earnest, possibly attacking Canada and Greenland when the government bankrupts the state, and eventually ending with China and Europe bombing the snot out of DC.
If we're lucky, by then, chunks of the US will have seceded from the union to form smaller clusters of states, so that the entire nation doesn't have to be conquered by the Allies.
dellish@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 34d
The DNC will be too busy trying to quash the popular Socialist movement, they won't have time for little issues like major crimes being committed by the government.
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 34d
I hate that this is so plausible a scenario. I'd love to be proven wrong, I'd love to see a wave of stronger-left candidates elected in primaries and then to office, and I'd love if the party in general could see what an existential threat the current situation poses, whether one is talking about the level you're talking about or merely forever losing any credibility with their own base assuming some vaguely normal political situation continues from where we are now.
We're over the precipice of the collapse of the American experiment in democracy. It's not impossible to drag us back, but it'll take something heroic to get it done. The alternative is a long plunge down to some very sharp rocks.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 34d
I wish the Democrats were even 10% as aggressive as Republicans claim they are.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 34d
dinos are conservatives that cant be elected as a conservatives, because they arnt maga enough.
Suavevillain@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 34d
Strong worded letter inbound.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 34d
After the Midterms, those strongly worded letters are going to be subpoenas.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 33d
Sure, just like last time right?
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 31d
No, like next time, when they all go to prison.
Why does everybody assume that the Dems are going to do the same things that fucked them up the last time?
The voters want MAGA to be punished for their crimes, and they are electing people who intend to do that. It's a new world in the Democratic Party. MAGA DINOS are glowing brightly, and we all see who they are. They are as responsible for the rise and resurrection of MAGA as MAGA themselves, and if they don't actively take a redemption path, they are going to be primaried out in humiliating fashion.
They better get on board, or start punching up their resumes for their next job.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 31d
Because they've lived in this country for more than 10 minutes
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 31d
If that's the case, then it's YOUR fault. If you've been paying attention, like you imply, you should recognize that there is a powerful new movement in the Democratic Party, and instead of trying to get everybody to surrender in advance, like always, you could support them.
Instead, you'd rather give them permission to fail again, and let them know that you'll accept it, and guess what? They will. They'd rather go back to their Insider Trading hobby than do their jobs, so if you give them permission to ignore us, they happily will.
Instead of accepting their cowardice, you could scare them into doing their jobs, by threatening to primary them, threatening to vote against them, screaming at their phone call people, demanding they do their jobs, OR ELSE!
Or you can be a weak little pissant who tries to tell those who are fighting for YOU, that they are wasting their time.
Ew, gross, grow a spine.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 31d
Oh it's my fault the entire government is collaborating against us and has been for decades. Ok champ.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 29d
No, it's your fault for accepting it, and assuming they will do nothing the next time, and allowing them to do nothing with no consequences.
Now they are seeing consequences. A 15 term do-nothing Rep was just beaten in the primaries by a KID! And there is a lot more of that going on, and it has become apparent to EVERYONE that we are on a new path.
You can be part of the old, weak, cowardly Democratic establishment, and help them crush this new trend, or you can get on board and give it more fuel.
If you don't, then yeah, whatever bad happens is your fault.
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 4 pts · 33d
Hey hey hey, let's not shove the pedal to the floor !. There are many less aggressive options to consider before penning a strongly worded letter !
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 33d
Democrats won't, but progressives sure will.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 33d
Ever shoot clay pigeons? do you think we could build a clay pidgeon launcher that could shoot a pedo human? Just a physics question.
IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 32d
The thing you're looking for is a catapult.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
I was looking for a low and slow trajectory, but I suppose we can use a catapult coupled with an AI targetting app for the trap shooting.
bizzle@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 34d
I doubt it but I'm voting blue anyway smdh
Dzheyk@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 34d
Yeah..same boat here. Doubt it very much, especially since both parties are capitalist parties so we know nothing of real substance will happen even if/when Democrats come into power again.
I've seen it somewhere else on here that Democrats are just the stewards of capitalism while Republicans push it further. I think that puts our situation into perspective perfectly. We need real change.
heartSagan5@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 34d
They’ll drag it because some of them also cashed in on these assholes.
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 34d
Only smart choice. Anything else is basically saying you love pedophiles.
nandeEbisu@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 33d
I think it's not enough to just vote blue, make sure you're going out and primarying the ones sitting on their asses cashing lobbyist checks. Not everyone has the time to go and canvas, but signing ballot petitions and voting, even early or mail in, are in most people's grasp.
Even if you don't kick them out of office, showing up with a strong challenger scares them into acting right and encourages more people to try and try harder.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 34d
Yes, that's....how it works.
PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 34d
No it doesn't. Democrats don't do that. At least not well
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 34d
This is what midterms are for. Go out and vote for Democrats who will do that.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 34d
In the last 30 years, Democrats have held a majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate during two periods: from 1993 to 1994 and from 2007 to 2010.
https://web.education.wisc.edu/nwhillman/index.php/2017/02/01/party-control-in-congress-and-state-legislatures/
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 33d
Hey now, Chuck Schumer probably has a very strongly worded letter just in the chamber, ready to rip.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 34d
definitely a confession in an actual legal system.
khaleer@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 33d
Loce@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 34d
I would like to see some public whipping... Maybe couple of hangings...
end_stage_ligma@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 34d
best I can do is sensationalist critiques in Huff Post.
collapse_already@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 33d
He has way more confidence in them than I do.
switcheroo@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 33d
It's time to put pedos in jail, not in office.
EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 32d
You mean in the ground
TronBronson@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 33d
They might even wag their finger at them!
glups@piefed.social · 8 pts · 34d
Scrolling past I thought that was a new Tim Heidecker character
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 34d
I think you mean New Amato
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 34d
It's even worse, Mikey. We're going to PUNISH y'all for your crimes, and y'all been doing a LOT of criming lately.
Tacky4092@feddit.org · 4 pts · 34d
And you would be foolish to think the Reps don't have a couple of plans lined up to make sure that this won't happen. You guys are fucked. Kick their asses.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 32d
There are no Republicans any more. That was just their larval stage, before the morphed into their final form - MAGA. They are ALL MAGAs now.
Reps had some brain cells, but not MAGAs. One of the defining characteristics of every MAGA is their Virtuosic Incompetence. Sure, they'll have plans, but they are used to the primary objective being profit, not success. They don't care if their plans fail, as long as they were able to make money off it.
Look at the Reflecting Pool. A total disaster? Not for Trump, who almost certainly pocketed $10 million of the $14 million dollar cost, and will skim off even more from the repair budget.
Need another example? Consider Trump's career as a Serial Casino Bankrupter. People like to use it to illustrate why he's a bad businessman, but those weren't failures, they were a Business Model. Buy a casino, rape it for every penny of profit, borrow as much as you possibly can, don't pay your bills, stiff your contractors, file for bankruptcy, and stick all your creditors with the bills. And then do it over and over until the courts just won't allow it any more.
He has made an art out of profitable failure, and he'll do the same thing with the MAGA party. Sure, they've got a massive war chest, but do you think he's going to spend it on anyone but himself? He can't even run again, so he's just going to keep that campaign cash, which is reportedly close to a billion bucks. He can't let that go, his mental illness/ OCD won't allow it.
Ultimately, MAGA will hang themselves, long before the Dems get their shit together to do anything about it. I just hope there are a few Dems who will recognize that moment, and capitalize on it, even as the MAGA comedy duo of Schmuck & Jeffries attempts to help them to their feet, as the MAGAs spit on them the entire time. It's got to be a kink for those losers.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 34d
We wish.
Etterra@discuss.online · 4 pts · 34d
One can only hope, not that it'll go anywhere. They'll tie it up in procedure and delays, and make so much goddamn noise about how badly they're being "persecutied" by the "evil woke criminal communist leftists"that it'll drown out any actual information.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 34d
That will happen if the Dems continue with the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries. They will play along with MAGA, and act discouraged and outraged that MAGA is pulling these perfectly predictable actions that are easily avoidable, but somehow never are. It's barely excusable when they are the minority, but it is totally inexcusable, incompetence, and political malpractice to allow it when they have the Majority. MAGA manages to do anything they want when they have power, the Dems need to do the same thing.
We don't need leadership that will match them in corruption, we just need leadership that will play HARD BALL, and force MAGA to follow the laws of this country, or be punished like ANY OTHER CITIZEN.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 32d
And they shouldn't?
SecretiveVault@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 32d
No they won't. They'll protect them and post some dramatic tweets about how horrible they are. Centrist Democrats won't do jack shit. They're weak and in on the grift.
French75@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 34d
He's not wrong. The dems will spend years investigating, refuse to prosecute, and conclude by congratulating themselves and blaming Reagan.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 34d
I mean Democrats won't but their voters don't realize that because they're morons.
nao@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 33d
Right, the smart ones don't vote.
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