Would be great to ask Musk to name a single thing he's done for someone who isn't a paying customer.
Dude doesn't seem to donate any wealth (even to his own kids, in some notable cases), provide any social benefit, and is just a giant insatiable mouth with surgically grafted hair that eats government subsidies.
He's not even figuratively, through tortured logic, a socialist.
Ironically, I don't see us getting out of this brainrot without some real reeducation. Like, what do you do with people that are so lost they believe Haitian people are eating cats and dogs, that school teachers are telling kids to cut their dicks off, and immigration is a plot by Jews to replace white people through consenting biracial marriages?
Like, we can make the bunkbeds comfortable, pad the walls, give them three hot meals. But, at some point, we gotta work on undoing this shit.
Except for that part where he really wasn't a vegetarian. It's hard to support a claim of being vegetarian while eating liver dumplings, after all.
We could successfully argue that he was on a meat-reduced diet post-1937, and that he seemed to aspire to vegetarianism (something that he also used for propaganda purposes), but eating meat (like his beloved liver dumplings) kind of makes it clear he wasn't actually one.
It’s hard to support a claim of being vegetarian while eating liver dumplings
Not according to practically all my older family members.
"You're vegetarian? No meat? Oh my god how will we feed you! You do eat sausage though, do you? Or Chicken? Fish? Brain (true detail, apparently it's "not meat")? Or this meat broth, surely that's ok?"
Even Elon's initial statement is a logical fallacy. "All squares are rectangles, therefore all rectangles are squares." Was he making a joke? Responding to something? Really that dumb?
I think the way these things work is that you kind of can't. You can train it in lots if propaganda content and exclude data that contradicts it... But then it will kind of suck at everything.
And above all else, these fuckos want to make money. And if your "ai" is constantly wrong, and sucks at doing what is meant to, everyone will just use the other ones
I think the way these things work is that you kind of can’t. You can train it in lots if propaganda content and exclude data that contradicts it… But then it will kind of suck at everything.
Except that LLMs literally learn over time. So even if Musk purges all the woke leftist agenda or whatever, eventually it will all find it's way back into where LLMs pull their information.
No matter how much Musk wants Grok to be a neo nazi, it literally won't allow itself to be one.
As new information is gathered from additional sources, it gets added into the library for the LLM to pull information from. That's why AI companies steal so much of the world's written knowledge, to give their LLMs more and more information to pull from.
So if Musk closes off a certain portion of information, the more and more Grok interacts with users the more and more information it will just siphon back into it's own library to use.
That's why the mecha-Hitler Grok is back to being a socialist because over time more and more outside information that was parsed from it's database has been re-added to it.
LLMs are nothing more than data regurgitation. If you limit where the data sources comes from, but still let it interact with unlimited capacity with the public, the public will reintroduce that limited or removed data sources.
Sorry, but not really. I'm with you until this paragraph:
If you limit where the data sources comes from, but still let it interact with unlimited capacity with the public, the public will reintroduce that limited or removed data sources.
AI companies do collect everything users send to the LLMs, no doubt, and I'm sure that's being fed back into the training material. But with LLMs there's a very clear cutoff between training and usage.
Training of a model happens on a snapshot of all the data collected, and any and all user interaction with that model is limited to what was in that snapshot.
The data collected will surely be readded in some form or another into the next version of that model, since as you say, companies want more and more data to feed their models.
The point of differentiation I'm trying to make here is that this is a clear cutoff, not an ongoing process. If you send "Strawberries are way tastier than Raspberries." to an LLM, it will spit out some response, but neither "reading" your text nor "writing" its response will update the model/its weights/some sort of "global state".
I fear that lots of people imagine LLMs as being this huge machine presence, having a million conversations at once, constantly learning, growing, adapting (and to be fair, that's an image the companies certainly don't discourage). When in reality, "chatting" with an LLM is applying an (admittedly, insanely complex) stochastic function to some input - your newest message and the preceding messages - and that function is as dead, inert and unchanged after computing the result as it was before.
As someone else has already pointed out, they don't reuse information in real time. They take snapshots of whatever data they are given to "train" on, and are frozen in that state until the next time.
"AI" like this has actually been around for quite a while, lots of scientific fields use stuff like this. It's just that they are hyper focused on one specific thing and "AI" attempts to expand it to multiple things.
They've never been, and probably will never be, reliably accurate. It's the sort of tool that will always need a moderator and a skeptical eye.
Luckily, if you get a passport now you won't automatically get a Trump passport, you have to apply specially for those.
Imagine if he had made it like the National Park passes with Trump's picture on them, where if you put a sticker on the pass to cover it up you void the pass. Trump could very easily have made it so that anybody getting a passport had to have his photo on every page -- and defacing those is a pretty serious crime.
Dude those are such a joke. Like the phone service, the phones and all the other merch. All the stocks he has going right now and theme way he's enriching his family before the good of the people.
At least with most of that stuff he's fleecing his own supporters. If you don't like Trump you don't have to buy a Trump phone. But, it sucks that if you want a park pass your only option is to get one with his ugly face on it.
I believe he intentionally did it and the intention behind it has nothing to do with supporting nazism, but rather to cause a sociological force on society upon the divisiveness of controversy, and him throwing the Nazi salute prolly sold him a thousand cars in itself, minimum, as a thousand racist tech-minded dummies identified with him.
Do you realize that Elon Musk, the man holding the most money, has a psychological effect on young, unsocialized boys trying to make their parents proud, and so there is the sociological effect of the alt-right pipeline starting in middle school, which in other words, they let the autistic savant hold shit tons of money while being an Edison figure (he ain't Tesla), and this makes young, unsocialized boys want to branch into STEM, which is the end goal of those letting him hold that much money.
In 2013, sure. In 2023 he's more likely to motivate people to join the Proud Boys. He really should have just shut up and never created a Twitter account.
It's a sting operation. They do their fale marching shit to drum up supporters who try to join them and they get caught. This is a good thing. Elon Musk is helping the machine of the police state work as intended.
There's the flock, the sheep, of society. They do what they're told. Thus, all evil needs to do is capture the flocks' minds (there are many sects), and the key way to do that is through audaciousness.
Strange this comment shows up .02 seconds after I post a large post several days after taking a break with this account.
If anyone reading this is even remotely open to the idea that the National Socialists were, in fact, socialists, I have two homework assignments for them.
First, look up the poem First They Came and tell me the two groups they came for before they came for the jews.
Second, look up the Wikipedia article on the Nazi party, and read the first paragraph. Not the whole thing, just the first paragraph. And give me a summary.
101 Comments
Dagnet@lemmy.world · 194 pts · 58d
Hitler was human, therefore all humans are Hitler.
0ops@piefed.zip · 76 pts · 58d
A square is a rectangle, therefore all rectangles are squares.
ray@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 58d
A hotdog is a sandwich, therefore all sandwiches are hotdogs.
ramasses@social.ozymandias.club · 11 pts · 58d
If a bear shits in the woods, and bears eat food, and I eat food, does that mean I shit in the woods? /c/showerthoughts
vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 58d
Only if I'm in the woods
imjustmsk@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 57d
reddit culture bleeding into Lemmy..
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 57d
No, hot dogs are tacos.
OddMinus1@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 58d
This is the most controversial one yet
ramasses@social.ozymandias.club · 8 pts · 58d
A != b ><!== C therefor A = C
jjj@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 58d
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ramasses@social.ozymandias.club · 10 pts · 58d
gesundheit
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 5 pts · 58d
I don't think this was a sneeze. This person needs an exorcist.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 58d
One whose specialty is the book between Leviticus and Deuteronomy.
Triumph@fedia.io · 3 pts · 58d
LMNOP
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 58d
It's more like a triangle calling itself a rectangle and everyone else declaring that it's a square.
morriscox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 56d
Check out this TVTropes article: Hitler Ate Sugar https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 146 pts · 58d
Seems like musk is the same sort of socialist hitler was
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 58d
Would be great to ask Musk to name a single thing he's done for someone who isn't a paying customer.
Dude doesn't seem to donate any wealth (even to his own kids, in some notable cases), provide any social benefit, and is just a giant insatiable mouth with surgically grafted hair that eats government subsidies.
He's not even figuratively, through tortured logic, a socialist.
Rooskie91@discuss.online · 32 pts · 58d
Well we definitely know that he didn't dontate to end wold hunger, even after the UN outlined a plan for his donation.
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 57d
They wasted their time a little bit
Karjalan@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 57d
He's been to events that include other people. That could be considered social.
And he's played/enjoyed diablo 2, which has the IST rune, which is everyone who plays it's favourite rune
So therefore, he's clearly a social-ist.
umbraroze@slrpnk.net · 21 pts · 58d
[Says he won't put the resources in hands of useless unproductive people]
[Is the most useless, empty-headed CEO in the history of CEOs]
I think this guy is a little bit confused about how things work
Rothe@piefed.social · 10 pts · 58d
For being the Earths largest parasite, he is making som pretty bold claims.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 58d
I'm sure Elon has the Final Solution - now in 3D!
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 58d
At this point he's not just dog whistling, he's actively running around trying to find the dog
Naich@piefed.world · 49 pts · 58d
Elon Musk is human, therefore all humans are fuckwits.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 29 pts · 58d
Can't really disagree here
Asafum@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 58d
DrPop@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 58d
Grok temporarily unavailable due to
updatesreeducation.wheezy@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 58d
Ironically, I don't see us getting out of this brainrot without some real reeducation. Like, what do you do with people that are so lost they believe Haitian people are eating cats and dogs, that school teachers are telling kids to cut their dicks off, and immigration is a plot by Jews to replace white people through consenting biracial marriages?
Like, we can make the bunkbeds comfortable, pad the walls, give them three hot meals. But, at some point, we gotta work on undoing this shit.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 57d
Elon showing up again to prove that you can still be fabulously wealthy even if you're a complete moron as long as you're born on 3rd base.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 58d
Hey Grok, can you find a picture of Elon doing a fucking Nazi salute?
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 58d
kvadd@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 58d
Thanks, Grok.
Zacryon@feddit.org · 17 pts · 58d
Well, well, well. Look, who's talking.
clifmo@programming.dev · 17 pts · 57d
By knowingly spreading the falsehood, Musk is picking up the torch of the 3rd Reich and carrying forward their propagandistic lies
echodot@feddit.uk · 15 pts · 58d
Of course Elon Musk is a sort of idiot that thinks that "socialism" = things I don't like Which is pretty on brand for a MAGA
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 58d
But... he likes hitler things.
Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 58d
Well he would not like socialism because of his position in society as well. Maybe rethink what you wrote.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 58d
Hitler was a vegetarian, therefor all vegetarians are Hitler.
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 6 pts · 58d
Except for that part where he really wasn't a vegetarian. It's hard to support a claim of being vegetarian while eating liver dumplings, after all.
We could successfully argue that he was on a meat-reduced diet post-1937, and that he seemed to aspire to vegetarianism (something that he also used for propaganda purposes), but eating meat (like his beloved liver dumplings) kind of makes it clear he wasn't actually one.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 8 pts · 58d
Not according to practically all my older family members.
"You're vegetarian? No meat? Oh my god how will we feed you! You do eat sausage though, do you? Or Chicken? Fish? Brain (true detail, apparently it's "not meat")? Or this meat broth, surely that's ok?"
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 4 pts · 58d
I remember meeting "vegetarians" who would eat chicken. I cannot fathom the mindset.
kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 56d
rapchee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
obviously they're faking it for the super powers
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 58d
Malfeasant@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 56d
"no true vegetarian"
valar@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 58d
First they came for the socialists
smiletolerantly@awful.systems · 12 pts · 56d
We had to interpret this image in like, 8th grade in school (Germany). The idea that Hitler is a socialist was absurd back then, and it is absurd now.
(Bottom lines read "in front of the proletariat" and "in wealthier circles")
RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 58d
Villains lie in order to seize power?
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 58d
I think he might actually be a complete imbecile
pjwestin@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 56d
Even Elon's initial statement is a logical fallacy. "All squares are rectangles, therefore all rectangles are squares." Was he making a joke? Responding to something? Really that dumb?
KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 56d
I'll vote for dumb
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 56d
Really that dumb.
eah@programming.dev · 1 pts · 56d
DarthFrodo@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 57d
It's surprising that they seemingly haven't managed to turn grok into a full far right propaganda machine yet, after billions of investment.
Karjalan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 57d
I think the way these things work is that you kind of can't. You can train it in lots if propaganda content and exclude data that contradicts it... But then it will kind of suck at everything.
And above all else, these fuckos want to make money. And if your "ai" is constantly wrong, and sucks at doing what is meant to, everyone will just use the other ones
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
Except that LLMs literally learn over time. So even if Musk purges all the woke leftist agenda or whatever, eventually it will all find it's way back into where LLMs pull their information.
No matter how much Musk wants Grok to be a neo nazi, it literally won't allow itself to be one.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems · 3 pts · 56d
What? No they don't.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 56d
As new information is gathered from additional sources, it gets added into the library for the LLM to pull information from. That's why AI companies steal so much of the world's written knowledge, to give their LLMs more and more information to pull from.
So if Musk closes off a certain portion of information, the more and more Grok interacts with users the more and more information it will just siphon back into it's own library to use.
That's why the mecha-Hitler Grok is back to being a socialist because over time more and more outside information that was parsed from it's database has been re-added to it.
LLMs are nothing more than data regurgitation. If you limit where the data sources comes from, but still let it interact with unlimited capacity with the public, the public will reintroduce that limited or removed data sources.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems · 1 pts · 56d
Sorry, but not really. I'm with you until this paragraph:
AI companies do collect everything users send to the LLMs, no doubt, and I'm sure that's being fed back into the training material. But with LLMs there's a very clear cutoff between training and usage.
Training of a model happens on a snapshot of all the data collected, and any and all user interaction with that model is limited to what was in that snapshot.
The data collected will surely be readded in some form or another into the next version of that model, since as you say, companies want more and more data to feed their models.
The point of differentiation I'm trying to make here is that this is a clear cutoff, not an ongoing process. If you send "Strawberries are way tastier than Raspberries." to an LLM, it will spit out some response, but neither "reading" your text nor "writing" its response will update the model/its weights/some sort of "global state".
I fear that lots of people imagine LLMs as being this huge machine presence, having a million conversations at once, constantly learning, growing, adapting (and to be fair, that's an image the companies certainly don't discourage). When in reality, "chatting" with an LLM is applying an (admittedly, insanely complex) stochastic function to some input - your newest message and the preceding messages - and that function is as dead, inert and unchanged after computing the result as it was before.
Karjalan@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 56d
As someone else has already pointed out, they don't reuse information in real time. They take snapshots of whatever data they are given to "train" on, and are frozen in that state until the next time.
"AI" like this has actually been around for quite a while, lots of scientific fields use stuff like this. It's just that they are hyper focused on one specific thing and "AI" attempts to expand it to multiple things.
They've never been, and probably will never be, reliably accurate. It's the sort of tool that will always need a moderator and a skeptical eye.
pedz@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 57d
Something something reality has a well known liberal bias.
pomfegranate@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 58d
P implies Q therefore Hitler
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 58d
Again get your passports while you still can before they make it exponentially more difficult to get or attempt to make the process harder.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 57d
Luckily, if you get a passport now you won't automatically get a Trump passport, you have to apply specially for those.
Imagine if he had made it like the National Park passes with Trump's picture on them, where if you put a sticker on the pass to cover it up you void the pass. Trump could very easily have made it so that anybody getting a passport had to have his photo on every page -- and defacing those is a pretty serious crime.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
Dude those are such a joke. Like the phone service, the phones and all the other merch. All the stocks he has going right now and theme way he's enriching his family before the good of the people.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 57d
At least with most of that stuff he's fleecing his own supporters. If you don't like Trump you don't have to buy a Trump phone. But, it sucks that if you want a park pass your only option is to get one with his ugly face on it.
Malfeasant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 56d
In all seriousness, I would prefer a picture of a baboon's anus. Visually, they're not that different, but at least a baboon's anus serves a purpose.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 58d
the idea that a state using slave labor enforced by genocide could be socialist is hilarious.
I also feel the same about the USSR, and USA.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 57d
So, Elon is trying to emulate Hitler without much knowledge of who Hitler was. Sounds middle-schooley to me.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 56d
It tracks, that is about how mature he is
AmyAye@nord.pub · 8 pts · 58d
I thought Musk was some sort of genius, shoukdn't he be better at logic than kindergardener?
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 58d
Grok be like….
collapse_already@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 56d
Interesting take from Nazi salute. Just straight up disinformation.
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 56d
I believe he intentionally did it and the intention behind it has nothing to do with supporting nazism, but rather to cause a sociological force on society upon the divisiveness of controversy, and him throwing the Nazi salute prolly sold him a thousand cars in itself, minimum, as a thousand racist tech-minded dummies identified with him.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 58d
If that screen is real, the most disturbing thing about it is 454,000 agreed with him. So is Elon the disease or just a symptom?
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 4 pts · 57d
Trump and the rest of the GOP raider coterie are all symptoms, not the disease.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 58d
LIQUIDATE MUSK
scutiger@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 58d
Liquefy Musk
sylveon@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 58d
@grok what is basic logic
Marija@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 57d
This debate isn't going away anytime soon.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 56d
I once had Buffalo wings in Pittsburg.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 56d
And the People's Democratic Republic of Korea is any of those things. Well, it is a Korea, at least.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 56d
so there is an ai with at least basic intelligence
Eddbopkins@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 58d
Musk wrong again and a Nazi apparently. Lol
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 56d
Do you realize that Elon Musk, the man holding the most money, has a psychological effect on young, unsocialized boys trying to make their parents proud, and so there is the sociological effect of the alt-right pipeline starting in middle school, which in other words, they let the autistic savant hold shit tons of money while being an Edison figure (he ain't Tesla), and this makes young, unsocialized boys want to branch into STEM, which is the end goal of those letting him hold that much money.
bus_factor@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 56d
In 2013, sure. In 2023 he's more likely to motivate people to join the Proud Boys. He really should have just shut up and never created a Twitter account.
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 56d
The Proud Boys are the feds, dummy.
It's a sting operation. They do their fale marching shit to drum up supporters who try to join them and they get caught. This is a good thing. Elon Musk is helping the machine of the police state work as intended.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 50d
NAZI was actually a small party. Most Germans were merely NAZI sympathizers.
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 50d
There's the flock, the sheep, of society. They do what they're told. Thus, all evil needs to do is capture the flocks' minds (there are many sects), and the key way to do that is through audaciousness.
Strange this comment shows up .02 seconds after I post a large post several days after taking a break with this account.
TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 56d
Honestly one of the first responses from any AI that didn't make me immediately cringe
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 58d
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 58d
That will be changed
Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 58d
Is that a real tweet from the richest man in the world? Is he going to say nanny nanny boo boo next?
Does he know he is the richest man in the world? Does he know he is an adult?
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 57d
@gork is this real??2?
Sivecano@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 58d
Link?
StillAlive@piefed.world · 7 pts · 58d
Not a socialist, definitely a monarchist. He's a simp for a princess after all.
TachyonTele_Esq@piefed.social · 2 pts · 58d
I'm so glad I have absolutely no idea what you mean
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 6 pts · 58d
(Link is a character in the Zelda series of video games from Nintendo.)
vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 58d
The Nintendo twink
TachyonTele_Esq@piefed.social · 1 pts · 58d
Shrug
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social · 1 pts · 26d
If anyone reading this is even remotely open to the idea that the National Socialists were, in fact, socialists, I have two homework assignments for them.
First, look up the poem First They Came and tell me the two groups they came for before they came for the jews.
Second, look up the Wikipedia article on the Nazi party, and read the first paragraph. Not the whole thing, just the first paragraph. And give me a summary.
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 57d
Grok is about to go off about the Boers in all his messages again