Not really true. Since voting in a capitalist dictatorship makes people have faith in their current system, threatening (and trying) to take it away lets people retreat to a position that capitalists also ultimately approve of and control. Its similar to candidate stacking: if both choices are pro-capitalist, then its strategically beneficial.
Would they rather eliminate voting entirely? Not really, because voting as a rigged game has proven its usefulness historically by giving people the illusion of choice, being a useful spectacle / popularity contest, and building faith in the system. Its really useful in preventing the alternative: which is worker's taking power, and its why all working class states aim to overthrow bourgeios democracy.
Bourgeois democracy is a completely rigged game, and has proven the safest and most reliable shell for capitalist rule, regardless of voting methods or form, whether its in the US, UK, Japan, South Korea, Germany, Australia, etc.
Giving a toddler a couple approved choices works better than dictating everything. It’s a shame the same technique works so well with a good portion of the adult population.
One other thing I wanted to add: Bourgeios democracy / parliamentarism as a form of government is historically far more brutal than even fascist regimes. The UK and US genocided entire continents and killed millions of people under this form of "democracy".
The empire of the rising sun, the nazis, and Italian fascists only tried and failed to do what the UK and US had already acheived, under a far more stable form of government for capitalist-imperialism.
People have already forgotten Biden was the same fiddle for Beni's genocide that Trump is and that Kamala cheer3d we'd have the most deadly military in the world.
Democrats literally had to do nothing to do the right thing. If the work is to important to be disrupted with a strike, its to important to be privately owned.
For me it's hard to believe how a sane Person can think that Trump isn't a human desaster compared to any other president in the last decades. And with him the entire party and big parts of the population just went crazy.
Trump didn't appear out of thin air. He is the culmination of US history. Every milquetoast democrat we have elected helped to prepare us for Trump. When Obama refused to prosecute the war-criminals of the Bush regime, and in fact expanded the illegal assassination program, he was a forerunner of Trump. If your only standard is "blue", then you have surrendered any political agency. You are a political non-entity. No one needs court your vote, for it is granted. You guarantee the capitalist agenda with your acquiescence to its illusory constraints.
Trump is the most incompetent administrator and propagandist to have ever held the figurehead.
That doesn't mean "his" agenda is novel or even has anything to do with him.
The agenda is giving finance capital control over all resources in the world, and has been obediently followed by every president since the fall of the USSR.
This is where I would usually post videos on the flaws of First-past-the-post voting alongside videos going over alternative voting systems with no spoiler effect.
If you had to pick one, who would you say is more responsible for encouraging voter apathy: The Democratic party for openly becoming Bush-era Republicans and then doing a genocide, or lemmy dot ml for pointing it out?
Republicans literally want many of the closest people in my life to be dead for being trans. The only possible way they can win elections is if people don't vote, I don't care if democrats aren't doing themselves any favors, encouraging voter apathy is directly beneficial to Trump and his goons because their base always votes. Cope however you want though.
Every other person in the world would rather an incomoent nincompoop be at the helm, so that you get a taste of the death and destruction you've wrought onto the rest of the world for 80 years. Good luck!
Your daily reminder that BlueMaga liberals don't consider non-westeners to be human. That's why they can describe active genocide as "nothing" and "not perfect"
If you’re from outside the US, then what’s your stake in this?
I don't know maybe the fact that the us is a giant murderous empire that kills thousands(+) every year through direct military action and indirectly through financial warfare and has destroyed multiple countries? Really confirming Americans don't see people outside euroamerika as human.
I was talking to the fuckface saying that both parties are equivalent
Which party destroyed Libya? Which party oversaw and supported the beginning of this current escalation to overt genocide in Palestine? Which party filled Serbia with depleted uranium that continues to have negative effects in health outcomes to this day? Which party oversaw the drone strikes on weddings and innocents in Yemen and across the middle east?
I could keep going and also talk about the bi-partisan enforcement of sanctions that kill thousands(+) every year, or the backsites like Guantanamo that continue to run under both parties and so on.
Voting or not voting in America is irrelevant one is not better than the other. Your vote means nothing you have a uniparty that works for the interest of a ruling class to which they have given 2 names. I often wish Americans would remember how change was truly affected by groups like the Suffragettes, and those that made up movements like the labour movements and civil rights movement etc (hint: it wasn't by voting for 99.9% Hitler). If they would start seeing people outside euroamerika as equal humans that would be nice too but I can only live and hope.
Voting and not voting are equally meaningless actions, pushing voting as something important and the democrats as something to strive for is bullshit that only serves to obscure reality and help perpetuate the status quo that is built on the mass exploitation and murder of those of us outside the empire.
As an outsider, I'm curious about this. So, the red train is fast for both the people inside the empire and outside the empire. The blue train is fast only for the people outside the empire, where it's just as fast as the red train. To me, it sounds like the blue train is still preferable.
The blue train is fast only for the people outside the empire
While probably true on a technicality (although I'd frame it as accelerating slightly slower for Americans rather than not being fast). You also don't seem to take into account that it's the blue train setting the foundation that allows the red train to accelerate as fast as it does, or the fact that through slowing the acceleration for Americans slightly and their general better pr they sustain the system allowing it to continue immiserating hundreds of millions for longer.
Also it's not 2 trains per say but one train implementing a 2 part strategy. (The ratchet effect as people call it).
I'm not a euroamerikan so whoever Americans vote for has no effect on how America is to me. They can vote Blue Red or Purple for all I care I just wish they'd stop upholding voting for the different colours of the uniparty as something that has any value.
That's fair, but it goes against the idea of this post, which seems to be against voting at all. Voting against red feels like the bare minimum to do here. Not voting at all seems actively harmful.
I fully agree with this post though? Voting for Americans is meaningless. It holds no value, whether you vote for the blue half or the red half of the uniparty it's the same interests behind the scenes who own both. Nothing of value has even been won through voting, women's suffrage, civil rights, the modern 8 hour workday and 5 day week, etc. all won through struggle with actual meaning.
What? You don’t want to do that yourself? You want me to do it and get myself killed?
Every fucking time with Amerikans. You are all so self-absorbed that you end up saying this every time. I am not even telling you to commit to adventurism but to organize for a revolution.
Think you can just guilt-trip while you insist on the election that kills far more people that you don't consider to be humans just so you can keep having treats from BlueMAGA? Fuck off.
Every time we tell them to organize in their community, they pretend we told them to solo banzai charge a national guard armory with a sharpened toothbrush. Fucking anything but engaging with what's actually being said to them.
That's a lot of words to say move slower. If the train accelerates at rate R when it's red, and rate B when it's blue, and B < R, the trim is slower when it's blue that red.
Slower is not a good thing here. US democrats have been in general more competent managers of the US empire, care more about its image internationally, and think more long term.
The fall of the US empire (especially the closing of its 900+ military bases internationally) would bring the greatest benefit to the world, and help resolve one of the greatest contradictions in the world today: inequality between rich and poor countries.
I don't think Harris would be at war with Iran right now. Never said it's good, but a slower train is easier to stop and runs over fewer people in the interim. It's objectively better. Not good, better.
Not to mention the sanctions against Iran that preceded the war. But hey, as long as you get your treats right? The difference with red and blue is that blue might give you some!
Nope, there is another alternative: revolution and working class power. Many countries went through this extremely difficult struggle to liberate themselves from capitalist/imperialist domination.
Don't forget that it's definitely THE most important election in your lifetime; a true battle for the soul of the nation™! So get out there and so we can go back to brunch!
Really, it was just voting? If that's the case, that voting is that important, surely parties would then be forced to intervene in access to voting as a means to have better control over who votes. Good thing that doesn't happen. And as we all know, online discourses have a greater effect on people's decisions than systemic forces.
God knows you weren't even thinking about the systemic forces behind those online discourses and who they reach or appeal to.
Edit: oh and look, it's a German liberal who claims to understand US culture and politics without systemic analysis, how bold and new on Lemmy.
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Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 2d
If voting didn't matter they wouldnt be working so hard to rat fuck the elections.
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 2d
Not really true. Since voting in a capitalist dictatorship makes people have faith in their current system, threatening (and trying) to take it away lets people retreat to a position that capitalists also ultimately approve of and control. Its similar to candidate stacking: if both choices are pro-capitalist, then its strategically beneficial.
Would they rather eliminate voting entirely? Not really, because voting as a rigged game has proven its usefulness historically by giving people the illusion of choice, being a useful spectacle / popularity contest, and building faith in the system. Its really useful in preventing the alternative: which is worker's taking power, and its why all working class states aim to overthrow bourgeios democracy.
Bourgeois democracy is a completely rigged game, and has proven the safest and most reliable shell for capitalist rule, regardless of voting methods or form, whether its in the US, UK, Japan, South Korea, Germany, Australia, etc.
melfie@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 2d
Giving a toddler a couple approved choices works better than dictating everything. It’s a shame the same technique works so well with a good portion of the adult population.
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1d
One other thing I wanted to add: Bourgeios democracy / parliamentarism as a form of government is historically far more brutal than even fascist regimes. The UK and US genocided entire continents and killed millions of people under this form of "democracy".
The empire of the rising sun, the nazis, and Italian fascists only tried and failed to do what the UK and US had already acheived, under a far more stable form of government for capitalist-imperialism.
olenkoVD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 2d
Because the only thing both Democrats and Republicans care about is the color of the trolley.
calmblue75@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1d
They are trying more to meddle in other countries elections than their own.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 27 pts · 3d
A trolley is close enough to a train lmao.
People have already forgotten Biden was the same fiddle for Beni's genocide that Trump is and that Kamala cheer3d we'd have the most deadly military in the world.
Brain dead.
davel@lemmy.ml · 38 pts · 3d
Remember when Biden broke the rail strike?
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 19 pts · 2d
Yet so many still defend him for doing it
bjc@scribe.disroot.org · 17 pts · 2d
amtrak joe!
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 1d
Democrats literally had to do nothing to do the right thing. If the work is to important to be disrupted with a strike, its to important to be privately owned.
rbn@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 3d
For me it's hard to believe how a sane Person can think that Trump isn't a human desaster compared to any other president in the last decades. And with him the entire party and big parts of the population just went crazy.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 2d
Trump didn't appear out of thin air. He is the culmination of US history. Every milquetoast democrat we have elected helped to prepare us for Trump. When Obama refused to prosecute the war-criminals of the Bush regime, and in fact expanded the illegal assassination program, he was a forerunner of Trump. If your only standard is "blue", then you have surrendered any political agency. You are a political non-entity. No one needs court your vote, for it is granted. You guarantee the capitalist agenda with your acquiescence to its illusory constraints.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 1d
You have a very poetic way about your writing, nan!
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1d
That's kind of you to say, thank you :)
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1d
You say in 3 words what it takes me 10, lol. Very impressive!
Transform2942@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 3d
Trump is the most incompetent administrator and propagandist to have ever held the figurehead.
That doesn't mean "his" agenda is novel or even has anything to do with him.
The agenda is giving finance capital control over all resources in the world, and has been obediently followed by every president since the fall of the USSR.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 2d
That's because, unlike you, those people consider foreigners to be human.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 2d
Succinct
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 1d
This is where I would usually post videos on the flaws of First-past-the-post voting alongside videos going over alternative voting systems with no spoiler effect.
Those days have passed us by. Good luck everyone.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 2d
DonkeyStar@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1d
Oh, Lemmy’s like this, too, I guess. That’s a shame.
trainsrkool@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1d
silly goose liberal, lemmy is for communists 😘
zephiriz@lemmy.ml · -4 pts · 2d
Yes true but the red trolley someone will hang out the window and shoot you. The blue trolley will just keep trucking.
offspec@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 2d
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 2d
If you had to pick one, who would you say is more responsible for encouraging voter apathy: The Democratic party for openly becoming Bush-era Republicans and then doing a genocide, or lemmy dot ml for pointing it out?
offspec@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Republicans literally want many of the closest people in my life to be dead for being trans. The only possible way they can win elections is if people don't vote, I don't care if democrats aren't doing themselves any favors, encouraging voter apathy is directly beneficial to Trump and his goons because their base always votes. Cope however you want though.
Donjuanme@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 3d
Fucking preferred the nothing of the blue guy tyvm. Was he perfect, hell no, would I rather have him at the helm now? Yes please.
davel@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 2d
The meme doesn’t mention Biden, who wasn’t even on the ticket, because the DNC undemocratically shoved Harris down your throat.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 2d
💦💦
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 2d
(*this stage of) The Palestinian genocide began under the blue guy
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 2d
It began in the 1940s.
jafra@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 3d
Yeah. Staging wars isn't a trumpesce innovation, he is just quite an klotz about it. Hope no klotz takes offense.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 2d
Every other person in the world would rather an incomoent nincompoop be at the helm, so that you get a taste of the death and destruction you've wrought onto the rest of the world for 80 years. Good luck!
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 2d
Your daily reminder that BlueMaga liberals don't consider non-westeners to be human. That's why they can describe active genocide as "nothing" and "not perfect"
CriticalThought@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Well then thank goodness the red magas won and there’s no more genocide!
PrejudicedKettle@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 3d
As an immigrant: go fuck yourself
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 2d
As someone outside the US empire: how about you go fuck yourself instead.
PrejudicedKettle@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 2d
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 2d
I don't know maybe the fact that the us is a giant murderous empire that kills thousands(+) every year through direct military action and indirectly through financial warfare and has destroyed multiple countries? Really confirming Americans don't see people outside euroamerika as human.
Which party destroyed Libya? Which party oversaw and supported the beginning of this current escalation to overt genocide in Palestine? Which party filled Serbia with depleted uranium that continues to have negative effects in health outcomes to this day? Which party oversaw the drone strikes on weddings and innocents in Yemen and across the middle east?
I could keep going and also talk about the bi-partisan enforcement of sanctions that kill thousands(+) every year, or the backsites like Guantanamo that continue to run under both parties and so on.
PrejudicedKettle@lemmy.world · -14 pts · 2d
Ok, then why is it better not to vote? Or are you saying it's better to vote republican?
Which action, in regards to voting, improves this situation?
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 2d
Voting or not voting in America is irrelevant one is not better than the other. Your vote means nothing you have a uniparty that works for the interest of a ruling class to which they have given 2 names. I often wish Americans would remember how change was truly affected by groups like the Suffragettes, and those that made up movements like the labour movements and civil rights movement etc (hint: it wasn't by voting for 99.9% Hitler). If they would start seeing people outside euroamerika as equal humans that would be nice too but I can only live and hope.
PrejudicedKettle@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 2d
If both are equivalent, then why did you ask me to go fuck myself?
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 2d
Voting and not voting are equally meaningless actions, pushing voting as something important and the democrats as something to strive for is bullshit that only serves to obscure reality and help perpetuate the status quo that is built on the mass exploitation and murder of those of us outside the empire.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 2d
We are begging you to overthrow your government. Stop removed on the internet about red VS blue.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2d
PrejudicedKettle@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 2d
why did you delete your message?
thankfully, I can still see it in my inbox (although I figure it should be in the modlogs too), so let me paste it here:
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 2d
I misspoke. It wouldn't be in midlogs, because a user deleted it. Thanks for that though, I'm glad you're not busy.
PrejudicedKettle@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 2d
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 2d
Hahaha!
PrejudicedKettle@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 2d
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 2d
No, they (me) didn't.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 2d
Fuck me yourself, coward.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1d
Why did I find this so funny, lol.
I'm stealing this
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · -6 pts · 2d
The blue trolley moves a bit slower, and that's something.
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 2d
Only if you don't see the people outside the US empire as people.
lastweakness@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
As an outsider, I'm curious about this. So, the red train is fast for both the people inside the empire and outside the empire. The blue train is fast only for the people outside the empire, where it's just as fast as the red train. To me, it sounds like the blue train is still preferable.
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1d
While probably true on a technicality (although I'd frame it as accelerating slightly slower for Americans rather than not being fast). You also don't seem to take into account that it's the blue train setting the foundation that allows the red train to accelerate as fast as it does, or the fact that through slowing the acceleration for Americans slightly and their general better pr they sustain the system allowing it to continue immiserating hundreds of millions for longer.
Also it's not 2 trains per say but one train implementing a 2 part strategy. (The ratchet effect as people call it).
lastweakness@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I agree that a revolution is probably the solution there. But until then, would you rather vote for blue or red?
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 13h
I'm not a euroamerikan so whoever Americans vote for has no effect on how America is to me. They can vote Blue Red or Purple for all I care I just wish they'd stop upholding voting for the different colours of the uniparty as something that has any value.
lastweakness@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13h
That's fair, but it goes against the idea of this post, which seems to be against voting at all. Voting against red feels like the bare minimum to do here. Not voting at all seems actively harmful.
QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 12h
I fully agree with this post though? Voting for Americans is meaningless. It holds no value, whether you vote for the blue half or the red half of the uniparty it's the same interests behind the scenes who own both. Nothing of value has even been won through voting, women's suffrage, civil rights, the modern 8 hour workday and 5 day week, etc. all won through struggle with actual meaning.
billytheid@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2d
EmmiLime@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 2d
Wow amazing, killing people but slower is better. It's in fact the best we can have and there's nothing else to do.
How about fucking dismantling that damn train? Blow it up? Replace it and the entire system instead of insisting on using the "Global South-Mower"?
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · -8 pts · 2d
Objectively true
Not even remotely close to what I said
If you can figure out a way to dismantle the train without opening the door to a train that's just as bad if not worse, I'm all ears
OwOarchist@pawb.social · -12 pts · 2d
Okay, go ahead.
What? You don't want to do that yourself? You want me to do it and get myself killed?
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 2d
Neither you nor I have to do it because it's going to be forced upon us as Americans' material living conditions continue to worsen.
The difference is that if we do it ourselves it'll be a lot less traumatic and violent that it will be if it's forced upon us.
EmmiLime@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 2d
Every fucking time with Amerikans. You are all so self-absorbed that you end up saying this every time. I am not even telling you to commit to adventurism but to organize for a revolution.
Think you can just guilt-trip while you insist on the election that kills far more people that you don't consider to be humans just so you can keep having treats from BlueMAGA? Fuck off.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 2d
Every time we tell them to organize in their community, they pretend we told them to solo banzai charge a national guard armory with a sharpened toothbrush. Fucking anything but engaging with what's actually being said to them.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 2d
The blue trolley does not move slower, I'd say it accelerates more slowly than when it's blue than red. The train never slows down.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · -10 pts · 2d
That's a lot of words to say move slower. If the train accelerates at rate R when it's red, and rate B when it's blue, and B < R, the trim is slower when it's blue that red.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 2d
Same policies, different jerk.
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 2d
Slower is not a good thing here. US democrats have been in general more competent managers of the US empire, care more about its image internationally, and think more long term.
The fall of the US empire (especially the closing of its 900+ military bases internationally) would bring the greatest benefit to the world, and help resolve one of the greatest contradictions in the world today: inequality between rich and poor countries.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 2d
To those who live within the empire.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · -10 pts · 2d
I don't think Harris would be at war with Iran right now. Never said it's good, but a slower train is easier to stop and runs over fewer people in the interim. It's objectively better. Not good, better.
EmmiLime@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 2d
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/8/kamala-harris-says-iran-is-greatest-adversary-of-us
Not to mention the sanctions against Iran that preceded the war. But hey, as long as you get your treats right? The difference with red and blue is that blue might give you some!
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 2d
I think she would be, with her most lethal military ever!
TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de · -9 pts · 2d
The issue is that we can't just stop after voting. We have to push the parties to become more like what we need.
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 2d
Nope, there is another alternative: revolution and working class power. Many countries went through this extremely difficult struggle to liberate themselves from capitalist/imperialist domination.
TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de · -11 pts · 2d
Too much suffering that way, for everyone.
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 2d
That's the true alleviation of suffering, by eliminating it's root cause: capitalist domination.
Anything else is just prolonging the symptoms.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 2d
Apparently the current amount of suffering is just fine though. Ghoul.
FE80@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d
How well did that work with Joey B?
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 2d
Who? Sorry can't remember, too busy thinking about the upcoming election, which I'm told will be the Most Important Election Of Our Lifetimes
FE80@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
We'll kick the football this time!
OwOarchist@pawb.social · -9 pts · 2d
sushiatnight@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 2d
Don't forget that it's definitely THE most important election in your lifetime; a true battle for the soul of the nation™! So get out there and
so we can go back to brunch!
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 2d
Make sure to vote extra hard against genocide this time, I'm sure it will make a difference!
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 2d
"Genocide is not on the ballot!"
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 2d
LOL
Boppel@feddit.org · -9 pts · 1d
you don't have to keep people from voting democrats anymore, trump already won. you were successful
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 1d
Psychologically housebroken
Boppel@feddit.org · -9 pts · 1d
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 1d
Libfash and "no u", a match made in heaven😇
Boppel@feddit.org · -4 pts · 1d
the guy telling not to vote is calling others fashists. just my humor 😂 cope harder
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 1d
Grapho@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 1d
Most politically literate lib
orioler25@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Really, it was just voting? If that's the case, that voting is that important, surely parties would then be forced to intervene in access to voting as a means to have better control over who votes. Good thing that doesn't happen. And as we all know, online discourses have a greater effect on people's decisions than systemic forces.
God knows you weren't even thinking about the systemic forces behind those online discourses and who they reach or appeal to.
Edit: oh and look, it's a German liberal who claims to understand US culture and politics without systemic analysis, how bold and new on Lemmy.