It is hardware. The embargo is on the connectivity silicon used in China because it is full of Chinese backdoors. Unlike the chips made elsewhere that have US backdoors
Why would China want you to have a car that doesn't send data back?
I mean neither would any other manufacturer, but with China you just know the government probably requires all that surveillance tech be added. Like voice control microphones on the OUTSIDE of some new Chinese cars. Why else would you have that?
So cheap cars are out there and the corporations are grabbing them all up before the citizens. Now that capitalism is in it's last death throes they need to amass even more power and control before it all explodes and comes crashing down.
Can Americans buy 2nd hand Chinese EVs or will these then become recycling nightmares as a giant outfit cuts every possible corner in a very loosly regulated area?
Unpopular opinion: Google’s approach actually makes sense here. The value isn’t the rolling metal box, it’s the autonomous driving stack. If Zeekr can build a high quality EV platform more cheaply, why reinvent it? Buy the best chassis, replace the electronics you don’t trust, and focus engineering effort where your competitive advantage actually is.
I don't think anyone is thinking Google is in doing the wrong decision. The problem is that Google, and other corporations, work with a set of rules different to normal, not corporate entities, don't. Like they can bought the most competitive cars on the global markets, while regular Americans are stuck to whatever Ford and GM want to sell them.
Let me indulge in watching china/ccp fall. Biggest employer is food delivery and they make shit construction. Belt and roads is being rebuffed by anyone that can't be bribed or black mailed into a bad deal. Oh and tell me about that dam that just failed, or is it a couple of them?
How many factories have been torched this week by disgruntled workers? 3 gorges dam is also nearing failure, let me guess only 29 lives will be lost. Those that know 30 deaths kick off the ccp. Mass flooding and you want to try to shit on America, lol.
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Pxtl@lemmy.ca · 138 pts · 22h
Laws are for poor people.
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 16h
Rules for thee, but not for me
artyom@piefed.social · 47 pts · 19h
Article is paywalled but the reason Google can get away with it is because they're getting them shipped without any connectivity.
blargh513@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 12h
Self driving cars
Shipped without connectivity
Weird
Also, can I buy a new car without telemetry? I guess I know the answer to that already.
artyom@piefed.social · 11 pts · 12h
It has connectivity, its just added by Waymo after it arrives on shore.
sunbeam60@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 12h
Obviously Google install their own connectivity.
benny@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 10h
Why don't Chinese manufacturers do the same? Sell cars without connectivity, make updates or whatever available on a website.
jerakor@startrek.website · 13 pts · 6h
It is hardware. The embargo is on the connectivity silicon used in China because it is full of Chinese backdoors. Unlike the chips made elsewhere that have US backdoors
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 3h
Why would China want you to have a car that doesn't send data back?
I mean neither would any other manufacturer, but with China you just know the government probably requires all that surveillance tech be added. Like voice control microphones on the OUTSIDE of some new Chinese cars. Why else would you have that?
artyom@piefed.social · 2 pts · 8h
Great question.
majster@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 13h
So Chinese automakers cannot import because they rather stay out of market than turn off connectivity?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 9h
That's the bullshit the US government wants you to believe. They need an excuse to force you to keep buying shitty trucks.
artyom@piefed.social · 0 pts · 8h
Yes they wrote it into law to deceive you!
11111one11111@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 13h
artyom@piefed.social · 0 pts · 13h
Seems that way.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 32 pts · 11h
So cheap cars are out there and the corporations are grabbing them all up before the citizens. Now that capitalism is in it's last death throes they need to amass even more power and control before it all explodes and comes crashing down.
FunnyUsername@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 5h
Fuck Waymo
MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 18h
Can Americans buy 2nd hand Chinese EVs or will these then become recycling nightmares as a giant outfit cuts every possible corner in a very loosly regulated area?
artyom@piefed.social · 2 pts · 13h
You can import them after they're 25 years old but good luck getting parts or repairing them.
ranzispa@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 9h
Good luck finding a 25 years old EV.
artyom@piefed.social · 1 pts · 8h
I mean I don't think 25 year old Chinese EVs exist. This would be a hypothetical future.
eicker@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4h
Unpopular opinion: Google’s approach actually makes sense here. The value isn’t the rolling metal box, it’s the autonomous driving stack. If Zeekr can build a high quality EV platform more cheaply, why reinvent it? Buy the best chassis, replace the electronics you don’t trust, and focus engineering effort where your competitive advantage actually is.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · 11 pts · 3h
I don't think anyone is thinking Google is in doing the wrong decision. The problem is that Google, and other corporations, work with a set of rules different to normal, not corporate entities, don't. Like they can bought the most competitive cars on the global markets, while regular Americans are stuck to whatever Ford and GM want to sell them.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 3 pts · 22h
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Grumpus_Maximus@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 22h
Wow. That's pretty messed up.
We should ban Amazon and Walmart reselling Chinese as well as Chinese cars
EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 21h
We should work to either innovate or partner with Chinese manufacturers when it comes to EV technology.
Arancello@aussie.zone · 11 pts · 21h
good luck with that in your republican america
entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 19h
Step 1: new constitutional convention in order to replace the federal government, which has been in lawmaking deadlock for about 16 years.
djsiete@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 12h
Yes but stop believing the Dems are better.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 7h
They ARE better. They're not good, but they are better than the subterranean bar Republicans set.
djsiete@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 7h
Does it make you feel better to say that? They're dogshit. They are as guilty of this situation as the R's.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 0 pts · 4h
Conflating shitty with straight up fascists only serves to help the fascists.
djsiete@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 4h
The Dems who helped bomb my country of origin as every bit as fascist as the Republicans. Please stop deluding yourself
TIEPilot@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 22h
Rolling spy machines... No worries in 2027 its coming to American cars.
Peffse@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 21h
uhhhhh.......
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 20h
America: it’s cute when we do it
TIEPilot@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 21h
Illustrates exactly what I was talking about.
djsiete@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 12h
Keep calling Chinese tech that as if
Enjoy shilling for your overlords while the rest of the world wins :)
TIEPilot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 12h
Uh thats what I said...
Nope seen enough videos of people not able to get out of their BYD and burning to death to know I don't want them.
I don't shill for the ccp like you.
djsiete@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 11h
Allow me to indulge in the humiliation of Americans.
TIEPilot@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 11h
Let me indulge in watching china/ccp fall. Biggest employer is food delivery and they make shit construction. Belt and roads is being rebuffed by anyone that can't be bribed or black mailed into a bad deal. Oh and tell me about that dam that just failed, or is it a couple of them?
How many factories have been torched this week by disgruntled workers? 3 gorges dam is also nearing failure, let me guess only 29 lives will be lost. Those that know 30 deaths kick off the ccp. Mass flooding and you want to try to shit on America, lol.
Also Taiwan #1
djsiete@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 10h
Just read thru some of your comments and you're a piece of shit American that wouldn't be worth the saliva of my spit. You're the scum of Earth.
TIEPilot@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 10h
lol I nothing you. ccp is shit and you know it. Digging into my posts only tells me how desperate you are to justify your position.
Again Taiwan #1
djsiete@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 9h
Look at the US then look at china. Then back to the US :)
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 10h
Could you imagine being spied on in your own car?? Good thing my car from 2016 with OnStar totally isn't spying on me!!1!
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 9h
Good thing my neighbors Tesla cameras aren't recording my whole neighborhood 24/7!
TheFogan@programming.dev · 2 pts · 20h
Well yes, but it's America so, why not build the spy machines into something that pays the oil industry more.
blargh513@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 12h
We've had internet connected cars for while now.