In which AI glazers continue to be utterly shameless assholes

Anti-genAI art platform Cara has been scraped a second time and the AI bros are taking sheer perverse joy in the distress it's causing the artists who contribute to the platform

Twitter thread by founder Jingna Zhang

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DarkSirrush@piefed.ca · 161 pts · 2d (11 replies)

Leave the autism out of this, AI Bros are narcissists, whether they have autism or not isn't really relevant.

-An Autist that can't draw, write or code worth shit, but still hates genAI with a passion.

AVincentInSpace@pawb.social · 62 pts · 2d (4 replies)

Yeah. "Autistic" does not and should not imply "ethically stunted". I am autistic. Of course I am driven to solve problems. The drive to solve any particular problem, however, is greatly reduced when a large group of people whom I consider peers band together and state as loudly as they possibly can that they do not want it to be solved. Anyone who endeavors to solve such a problem anyway should re-evaluate their life choices and consider whether their clearly impressive talents could be put to better use.

Sincerely, an autistic programmer who can't draw for shit but still hates genAI with a passion.

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 2d (2 replies)

Do Autistic People Have a Stronger Sense of Morality?

In some respects, yes. A number of autistic adults describe an almost visceral discomfort with dishonesty, favoritism, or bent rules, the kind of thing many neurotypical people shrug off as “just how things work.” That’s not a quirk. It shows up repeatedly in research on moral rigidity and rule adherence in autism.

The pattern seems to trace back to how autistic cognition handles consistency. Where a neurotypical brain might flex a rule depending on who’s involved or what’s socially convenient, an autistic brain is more likely to apply the same standard everywhere, to everyone, every time. This is explored in depth in relation to moral rigidity and its connection to a strong sense of right and wrong often seen in autism.

https://neurolaunch.com/autism-and-morality/

Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Man I wish I saw this clear, easy to understand comment like two months ago when I was trying to exlain something in here. Failed, downvoted, aye.

Good summary.

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 2d

Yeah, it immediately came to my attention.... because one of the most devastating career effects of autism is not being to able to go-along-to-get-along, which, at least for me, is largely an ethical thing. It's dishonest for me to pretend to care about you just because you are my co-worker or my boss.

I mean, I'm polite and courteous and am there for people when I feel there is a need, but the constant ball-fondling of the NTs has me at great social disadvantage.

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 18h

Yeah. "Autistic" does not and should not imply "ethically stunted".

Greta Thunberg is autistic. The person who said "The IDF bombed our flotilla, so we have to try again," and she said it in the most casual tone, like she was talking about running to the store for a loaf of bread.

Autism is a super-power, but like all super-powers, it all depends upon how you choose to use it.

AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social · 30 pts · 2d

Came to say this. Leave autism out of this. You can be a narcissist asshole without being autistic. And techbros are just narcissist assholes, autistic or not.

luciferofastora@feddit.org · 9 pts · 2d (3 replies)

I can code, but I'm still not gonna use that to compensate my inadequacy at things other people can do well. I'd rather contact an artist for a commission than have the Plagiarism Machine produce it.

(I'd also rather not contact strangers with personal requests, because I'm worried I'd come across as overly obsessive with details to the point of cramping their style and I don't want to make strangers uncomfortable, so the odds lf me ever commissioning art are about the odds of me making friends with someone who happens to produce art in a style I like, but that's beside the point. "No art" is still better than "stolen art soup".)

DarkSirrush@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 2d (2 replies)

I mean, if you are worried about that, just let them know upfront you are autistic and get hung up on weird details - they will either be understanding, or turn down your request.

luciferofastora@feddit.org · 8 pts · 2d (1 reply)

That is a perfectly reasonable way to deal with this issue that I never thought of.

Now I can shift my anxiety to how people will react if I tell them I'm autistic, but frankly, looking at the communities I tend to gravitate towards, odds are they're more likely to ask about my hyperfocus than take issue.

Thanks for breaking me out of the trap of perspective!

Angelfangs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14h

Shouldn't really be an issue. Especially amongst artists.

Sauce: am an artist. Have no issue with neuro spicy, I just need preferences on how you want to communicate/ask for requests, etc.

Stepson is on the spectrum, he hates when i ask him to take care of something and phrase it as a request as opposed to a command, so "little AngelFangs, you wanna load the dishwasher?" is out, while "yo, little AngelFangs, load the dishwasher, please." Is what he prefers.

While it's a challenge to help him move through a neuro-typical world without his autism contributing to a short circuit of behavior and action, I'm super proud of him. He doesn't tolerate injustice, is caring and interested in the people he cares about, plays a mean violin and guitar, and is growing into a decent, well educated and morally sound dude.

mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d

I know artists who are autistic.

Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 77 pts · 2d (1 reply)

This is a bad person even outside of the Ai context.

"I get a dopamine hit from emotionally disturbing other people"

this is a bad person.

echodot@feddit.uk · 24 pts · 2d

They got a blue check on twitter, is it any wonder they are a trash person?

inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 2d

I like it when they don't consent.

Dogiedog64@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 23h (14 replies)

Dawg that isn't autism, you're just an asshole.

chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 13h

The trait all assholes share isn't their religion, race, gender, sex, neurological status, or social class.

It's that they're fucking assholes.

nullspace@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 23h (12 replies)

I get it, though. Even if you aren't pro-AI, some just do it for the lulz.

Dogiedog64@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 22h (10 replies)

Hate to break it to ya, but you're an asshole too.

nullspace@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 19h (9 replies)

Oh, get off your high horse. Tell me you've never once trolled someone on the internet.

Dogiedog64@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 19h (8 replies)

Destroying someone's online safety and torching whatever job security they might try to cling to for a laugh does not constitute """trolling""", shitbag.

Go touch grass for a while, and contemplate how you became such a contemptible human being.

nullspace@lemmy.world · -14 pts · 16h (7 replies)

You should follow your own advice. Becoming a lolcow is not gonna stop slop jockeys from trolling artists.

petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 15h (6 replies)

I always knew AI boosters were rapists.

nullspace@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 14h

lol wut

Jax@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 20h

Scum of the earth behavior

METATRONSTUDENT@lemmy.today · 37 pts · 2d (3 replies)

Ai bros, are factually the dumbest people to ever live

Cherries@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1d (1 reply)

TootSweet@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15h

New dumbshit bubble dropping in 3... 2...

cecilkorik@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 2d

Bold move to still consider them people.

cannedheat@lemmy.ml · 37 pts · 1d (1 reply)

Yeah that "speedrunning" shit is not autism. That's just being an asshole. An autistic person would probably know the difference, which I guess is ironic.

emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 1d

People thinking autistic lack empathy because they don't engage in the two faced bullshit social games everyone else does, when actually they have a better sense of morality and ethics and social boundaries and empathy than any of these fuckers ever will.

cybervegan@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 21h

Fuckin hell. I'm Autistic, but I'm not like that. Can't claim Autism for being a gobshite.

paultimate14@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 2d (2 replies)

Just to weigh in here- as an autistic person myself one of the things I love about computers is how predictable and repeatable they are. Yes, I know that bit flipping and memory errors exist, but compared to human brains computers are consistent and beautiful. I largely try to model my own mind on how computers work.

I find AI to be absolutely disgusting for how it violates this. All of the other issues are important but solvable (the economic and social impact, the environmental impact, copyright issues, safety guardrails, etc). Like, I dont expect any of then to be fully solved but I could imagine a world where they are mostly solved. They are technical and legal challenges. Renewable energy infrastructure, universal basic income, reverting copyright law to pre-Disney levels, and a bit of responsible stewardship could do wonders (though I dont expect any of that to actually happen). The core concept of making computers less certain is not solvable, but a fundamental aspect of the design that I find abhorrent.

KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 2d

Finally someone who says it

I never got the point of asking an unreliable non deterministic model to write code for you when programming languages are literally right there, they almost always do exactly what you write

And there's plenty of deterministic ways to do code assistance too

AVincentInSpace@pawb.social · 3 pts · 23h

Oh my god, this. I thought I was the only one.

The despair I feel when I hear imprecise, natural-language English described as the only viable future of my profession, precisely because it is going to allow people who are not analytically minded to become professional programmers, is difficult to properly describe.

LostWanderer@fedia.io · 22 pts · 1d (4 replies)

These clankers and AI Glazers tend to have dark personality traits. I am not surprised that they are so callous and cruel towards people just to glaze their latest golden calf (which will fail, as it is so very hated). How very heartless of them, unsurprisingly they have a paid blue check mark on a fascist site.

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 18h (1 reply)

which will fail, as it is so very hated

Even if everybody loved AI, there's no way it could succeed. The more popular it becomes, the more money they lose.

LostWanderer@fedia.io · 2 pts · 11h

Yeah, nobody would be able to pay the realistic prices required to keep these LLM twats running and profitable. The only one who was ever going to profit was NVIDIA and hardware manufacturers. At least until the next snake oil product is peddled...

Jiral@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d (1 reply)

It is envy, I suppose.

LostWanderer@fedia.io · 7 pts · 1d

Part of it to be certain; I notice most of these clankers seem to be mind blind and aren't very creative artistically.

Routhinator@startrek.website · 20 pts · 1d (1 reply)

Us true autistics don't get a thrill from pissing people off or stealing because autists have a strong moral compass.

I'm now pissed about the theft of this art AND this assholes suggestion that autists are to blame.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 13h

Pissing people off means thinking about them and thinking about people makes my brain hurt.

ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 2d (5 replies)

This makes me wonder why we haven't yet seen an AI bro beaten into a bloody pulp for being an AI bro. The artist community sure has a lot of patience.

Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Yeah, the answer is that most of the creative community is a bunch of tolerant lefties. Not exactly a group prone to random extreme violence.

Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 2d

I also don't expect they hangout at the same coffee shop.

architect@thelemmy.club · -4 pts · 2d (2 replies)

I’m a pro artist and AI is helping me quite a bit. People bring slop to me same i make the real thing. This is so much more helpful than people bringing crudely drawn images or trying to describe with words.

It’s not going to hurt artists unless your art is fairly low value (oh boy can’t wait for the complaining about my experience).

Low value art is mostly digital art. Sorry to say. Learn to paint and you’ll be fine.

ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d

Give it a few years, and a hateful AI bro will find a way to fake painting. And then you can be even sorry for yourself.

AI bros see our kind as "useless eaters", because they're convinced, that because their uncle can play cowboy chords on a guitar without tens of hours of practice on the instrument every week, every artist should be an artist on the side of a 72-80 (!) hour long and soulcrushing work week. Also AI turns art into what tech bros see as "building" (having the idea a more important thing than the execution).

mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d

I think you're use case is... kinda short sighted. When all your output looks like ai slop - especially the composition it reveals itself; but hey, you painted it on a canvas....

psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 2d

The same autist will then frothing from their mouth when someone steal their approach and then limelight.

fluxx@mander.xyz · 18 pts · 2d

Didn't know autist=psychopath /s

babysmokesalot@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 1d

It is not the tism but I bet you don't stop when they say no

fullsquare@awful.systems · 10 pts · 2d (1 reply)

thst must be a 4chan transplant

Hiro8811@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d

I feel like 4chan moved over to twiter or at least they use both sites

pnwpixel@programming.dev · 8 pts · 1d (1 reply)

I hope the fury of a million meth-fueled fire ants set up a colony in this person's urethra.

babysmokesalot@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1d

thats a good sentance

Malyca@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 1d

Somebody is bitter my goodness

RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1d

Won't anyone DDOS these motherfuckers?

Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 10h

For people that like messing with technology, couldn't writing an AI poisoner software also hit the same dopamine spot?

Avicenna@programming.dev · 4 pts · 12h

Do these people really think themselves autistic because they know enough English to ask Claude to put together a scraper?

halezinflames@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 2d

Twitter being Twitter once again

boonhet@lemmy.zip · -32 pts · 2d (2 replies)

Tbf if you put it online, expect people to use it. DRM or no DRM, walled garden or no walled garden.

Leviathan@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 2d

I guess I'm a simple man, I respect consent and don't proceed without it.

jonathan@piefed.social · 16 pts · 2d

To be fair, read the room.