The shape is funny this time, but pills have had fun shapes since for ever. Not saying this shouldn't have been posted here, but please everyone take these kinds of warning serious when they concern you. Dirty pills kill people.
Didn't even realise that, but i meant two different kinds of funny i guess, first use was 'this makes you laugh' and second use was 'odd and specific', a rocket, a skull, a mushroom, a diamond etc. If you can make a pill it gives users the feeling you can produce at scale and also gives trust because usually a shape is like a brand and a color is like a recipe or a certain batch. On tv i usually see round pills like medical pills, but i've barely seen those in my days.
I can’t believe how it becomes harder to give Darwinism a little push in the back.
Luckily the target audience shouldn’t care all that much about health directives, even though this pill was designed specifically for those who didn’t die from covid.
I think you need to readjust your views about MDMA a bit as well as the people who use it. I’ve been to a few Dutch techno festivals and at some of them >90% of visitors are on MDMA or some other party drug. These are not stupid people. On the contrary, they are mainly the most intelligent, young, beautiful and fit urbanites. They care very much about their health and safety. You can bet almost everyone of them who read this and had this pill tossed it out immediately.
The Netherlands has a tolerance policy to MDMA. People can and do send their drugs to the government to get it tested for free and this is probably how they picked up on the polluted pills. MDMA when used properly is a safer drug than alcohol.
How many die yearly of MDMA? How many die of alcohol?
Alcohol is 2.6 million globally. MDMA does have reported deaths, 105 in 2023 in the european union, but those are mostly due to dirty pills, overheating, dehydration, undercooling, water poisoning (by drinking too much) or other secondhand causes by irresponsible use. There are no recorded deaths due to the substance itself, contrary to alcohol.
Global Drug-Related Mortality Scale:
Opioids ~500,000–600,000+/year worldwide
Alcohol ~2,600,000/year worldwide
Cocaine ~29,000+/year (US only)
Methamphetamine ~34,000+/year (US only)
MDMA ~few hundred/year globally
Next to that there are academic clinical trials being done with MDMA for treating depression and PTSD.
Dutch guy here. Most XTC and MDMA users are people who care a lot about their health. Drinking herbal tea, doing fitness, being vegan, eating healthy food, etc. It's become a stereotypical thing of people trying to be extremily healthy during the week while at the same time snorting speed and chucking pills at parties during weekends.
I'm one of them. I used to organize many illegal parties and festivals in Amsterdam 20 years ago. I'm a raver who's been to parties and festivals every weekend for 15 years. I'm still focused on being healthy, I just don't party that much anymore, only 1 or 2 festivals and ~10 parties per year. I still do ketamine when meeting friends half of the weekends. We just do it responsibly, drinking enough liquids as ketamine can be harmful for the bladder and kidneys when not hydrating enough.
People party to release some steam from the busy week. Exchanging alcohol for party drugs is less toxic to the body and because people have jobs and education during the week, they need to compensate their drug use by being healthy.
That's also why we have our drugs tested and why shit quality dope doesn't sell as everyone wants the pure stuff. My ketamine is 86% pure needles, 10 euro per gram. Cocain from Peru is 84% and from Bolivia is 86%, 50 euro per gram. XTC contains between 140mg and 220mg MDMA and no other junk, 2 to 5 euro per pill. Properly washed speed, 92% pure, 10 euro for a gram dried.
A dealer sells poor quality? They lose their customers. Low prices, high quality, faster delivery than Uber eats.
So especially in the Netherlands the target audience is focused on health.
Meth, crack, and opiods are not used in the party scene.
22 Comments
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml · 38 pts · 17h
Make Amsterdam Gabber Again
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 54m
Make overdosing great again
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 15h
I issue a buzzkill alert over it. Who the fuck is trying to have a good time and then think of trump while popping ecstasy
huppakee@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 15h
The shape is funny this time, but pills have had fun shapes since for ever. Not saying this shouldn't have been posted here, but please everyone take these kinds of warning serious when they concern you. Dirty pills kill people.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 9h
Did you just call this shape fun, twice?
huppakee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 8h
Didn't even realise that, but i meant two different kinds of funny i guess, first use was 'this makes you laugh' and second use was 'odd and specific', a rocket, a skull, a mushroom, a diamond etc. If you can make a pill it gives users the feeling you can produce at scale and also gives trust because usually a shape is like a brand and a color is like a recipe or a certain batch. On tv i usually see round pills like medical pills, but i've barely seen those in my days.
terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 12h
Teslas used to be known good if I remember correctly. That's around when I stopped being near that shit.
kingofras@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 17h
Pill designer here
I can’t believe how it becomes harder to give Darwinism a little push in the back.
Luckily the target audience shouldn’t care all that much about health directives, even though this pill was designed specifically for those who didn’t die from covid.
Photonic@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 16h
I think you need to readjust your views about MDMA a bit as well as the people who use it. I’ve been to a few Dutch techno festivals and at some of them >90% of visitors are on MDMA or some other party drug. These are not stupid people. On the contrary, they are mainly the most intelligent, young, beautiful and fit urbanites. They care very much about their health and safety. You can bet almost everyone of them who read this and had this pill tossed it out immediately.
The Netherlands has a tolerance policy to MDMA. People can and do send their drugs to the government to get it tested for free and this is probably how they picked up on the polluted pills. MDMA when used properly is a safer drug than alcohol.
Side note: what is a “pill designer”?
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 15h
Yeah... same in the US in the early 2000s (at least in my first-hand experience).
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 11h
I'm really not buying this. How are you basing this comparison?
Photonic@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 10h
This has been extensively studied and is a consistent outcome in those studies.
This is a pretty good summary and he lists several scientific sources like this one.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 10h
There have been multiple studies, it’s absolutely true. Alcohol is wayyyy more detrimental than pure MDMA.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 42m
How many die yearly of MDMA? How many die of alcohol?
Alcohol is 2.6 million globally. MDMA does have reported deaths, 105 in 2023 in the european union, but those are mostly due to dirty pills, overheating, dehydration, undercooling, water poisoning (by drinking too much) or other secondhand causes by irresponsible use. There are no recorded deaths due to the substance itself, contrary to alcohol.
Global Drug-Related Mortality Scale:
Next to that there are academic clinical trials being done with MDMA for treating depression and PTSD.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 23m
Dutch guy here. Most XTC and MDMA users are people who care a lot about their health. Drinking herbal tea, doing fitness, being vegan, eating healthy food, etc. It's become a stereotypical thing of people trying to be extremily healthy during the week while at the same time snorting speed and chucking pills at parties during weekends.
I'm one of them. I used to organize many illegal parties and festivals in Amsterdam 20 years ago. I'm a raver who's been to parties and festivals every weekend for 15 years. I'm still focused on being healthy, I just don't party that much anymore, only 1 or 2 festivals and ~10 parties per year. I still do ketamine when meeting friends half of the weekends. We just do it responsibly, drinking enough liquids as ketamine can be harmful for the bladder and kidneys when not hydrating enough.
People party to release some steam from the busy week. Exchanging alcohol for party drugs is less toxic to the body and because people have jobs and education during the week, they need to compensate their drug use by being healthy.
That's also why we have our drugs tested and why shit quality dope doesn't sell as everyone wants the pure stuff. My ketamine is 86% pure needles, 10 euro per gram. Cocain from Peru is 84% and from Bolivia is 86%, 50 euro per gram. XTC contains between 140mg and 220mg MDMA and no other junk, 2 to 5 euro per pill. Properly washed speed, 92% pure, 10 euro for a gram dried.
A dealer sells poor quality? They lose their customers. Low prices, high quality, faster delivery than Uber eats.
So especially in the Netherlands the target audience is focused on health.
Meth, crack, and opiods are not used in the party scene.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 11h
Trump, not even once.
stumu415@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 15h
Does it make you stupid and spout shit non stop?
Zorque@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 14h
Alcohol is a different drug
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 16h
You’ll be going absolutely wild to the Village People.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 15h
And you'll get permanently banned from the giraffe exhibit at the zoo
4am@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 16h
Just like the world; the second coming of Trump will overheat and kill everyone
newton@piefed.social · 4 pts · 16h
Nothing new ,trumps kills everbody