About two weeks ago, another Penza resident reported that her 61-year-old husband, who has no teeth, suffers from hearing problems, and has a disabled arm, was summoned to the military enlistment office on Skladskaya Street. According to her, he was suffocated with a plastic bag and forced to sign a contract.
She said that her husband had previously fought in the war in 2022 and returned home after being wounded. Their son has also been mobilized.
.ml users will continue to support Russia and Putin though...
It looks like there's one who downvoted many people. I'm assuming it just hasn't been seen by them yet. We're also in .world, which is defederated from them, so they won't see it without alts.
You are misunderstanding the situation. He is afraid of the people with power, money, influence - those are not the people they will send to die in a pointless war
Imagine making the decision of sacrificing hundreds of thousands of additional lives to delay your own inevitable demise caused by your own astronomical fuck up.
Honestly it need not even be his demise. There are any number of countries he could flee to, countries without extradition treaties and willing to look the other way for any rich despot looking for a safe harbor. Some small Middle East dictatorship seems a logical choice. But even China would probably offer him refuge. Even North Korea if he's truly desperate. Hell, if he offered to end the war tomorrow, most Western countries would probably be willing to offer Putin amnesty, as painful as that would be. If the choice is between holding Putin accountable and saving another hundred thousand innocent lives, I'll let Putin go.
What he is truly afraid of is losing power. He can keep his life. He can keep at least a lot of his wealth. The one thing he can't flee the country with is his power.
In the modern world, dictators never need fear their personal survival. International pariah dictators all support each other. There's a reason Trump cozies up to despots. The dictators all realize that any of them could be deposed, and that losing power will result flight or death. They're all paranoid and afraid of losing power and their lives. So they all backstop each other and provide what assistance they can. And what even the poorest dictator can offer is protection from extradition.
No self respecting western country would take him
The russians would kill him if he went to the US. Whoever takes over will decide if he is returned from an ally. Stalin had much tighter control and he couldnt leave office because of te same fears. He would give up the power if it meant he wouldnt die immediately. They would hang every failure on him, publicly trial him and sentence him the rest of his natural life in a camp.
I don't think you're correct. They may not have extradition treaties, but they also don't want to negatively affect relations with the successor for nothing in return. They aren't going to defend Putin, because most of the world, and especially the Russian successor, would be after him. There's just no benefit. They may not extradite, but they won't host him either (outside of a prison). He'd likely either be held in captivity or executed, if he isn't extradited, or let The Hague take care of him.
Imagine blindly following such an asshole and allowing your own fathers, sons, brothers to blindly become part of the meat grinder because you're too ignorant to fucking rise up and get rid of this dipshit.
We're still talking Putin right? Not Trump's Iran debacle? I suppose it's technically not a meat grinder... yet... we'll see what he does after the midterms.
As much as I hate Trump, he's got nothing on Putin yet. A few dozen American soldiers have died at most, and many suffered, but it's nothing like what's happening with Russian soldiers and infrastructure. People are not being drafted yet either. He's cost a lot of money, but there's not hundreds of thousands of men dying in an invasion.
And it won't serve any purpose. The next guy won't be much different, and everyone thinks "well, I can learn from his mistakes, I'll be smarter, it'll never happen to me", until it does.
I don't know that the next person will be more of the same. It depends on how this all goes down. The last time something similar happened in Russia they ended up replacing an empire with the Soviet Union, which was certainly different.
The last Emperor was fighting a perpetual invasion, and the people eventually had enough and overthrew them. It's very similar to today, with the only difference being that the leader isn't an emperor by title, as much as he wants to be one.
One source said Putin believes ending the war without capturing at least all of Donbas could threaten his survival. “They will hang me,” he reportedly told people close to him.
So this isn't him saying "I think we're gonna lose the war and I'll get hanged" it's more "if I don't completely win the war I may get hanged"
There's no indication that he thinks they're going to be defeated. I think he recognizes that at worst this will result in a pyrrhic victory and they walk away with a large chunk of Ukraine, not Ukraine defeating them and driving the Russians back out.
Yeah. It does show where the political motivations are currently in the war and why it isn't going to be over any time soon. There is no politically acceptable end to the war for either side, so the war of attrition continues.
Ukraine has basically eradicated Wildberries, a main distributor of components and gear used by the Russian army.
Who would have thought outsourcing critical goods distribution to Chinese dropshipping fronts would have negative consequences for your imperial wars of aggression?
It gets even worse because Putin has said that in order to protect critical infrastructure such as these distribution centers, they can request military aid to protect them, but they have to pay for the privilege and once they pay the kremlin gets to decide what to protect, where, when, and how to spend that money at its own discretion.
That looks like a vicious circle of authoritarianism. You suppress free media, you suppress anyone who says things you don't like. Your servants only provide you the information which won't make them punished. You end up completely detached from reality which leads your rule to fall eventually
“Adequate communication flows freely between equals. Communication between non-equals is warped and distorted by second-circuit Domination and Submission rituals perpetuating communication jam and a Game Without End.”
― Robert Anton Wilson, Prometheus Rising
More succinctly, '(Full) Communication is only possible between equals'.
A very common downfall for authoritarians, shame about all the destruction beforehand.
I've said this before but once the families of a million dead soldiers realize that thier sons are fertilizer in Ukraine and not just on extended deployment, Putin is going to be hanged.
A large majority of the relatives inside the media bubble of Russia really are not aware of how the war is going.
there were rumours that accurate information does not reach him any more, as he's surrounded by yes men.
this, if true, points to him indeed having at least soma accurate info.
inshallah they will. when did he achieve that piercing insight? this was pretty obvious outcome about half year deep into the war, well one of a handful but most likely
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ms_lane@lemmy.world · 129 pts · 13h
.ml users will continue to support Russia and Putin though...
Avicenna@programming.dev · 33 pts · 13h
I am surprised they haven't downvoted this comment yet.
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 10h
The tankies tend to block lemmy.world.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1h
It looks like there's one who downvoted many people. I'm assuming it just hasn't been seen by them yet. We're also in .world, which is defederated from them, so they won't see it without alts.
pipe01@programming.dev · 1 pts · 2h
They would be mad if they could read
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 12h
It's okay, nobody thought they weren't shitheels anyway
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 101 pts · 15h
Because sending 400 000 more people to die will just make them love him even more.
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 14h
You are misunderstanding the situation. He is afraid of the people with power, money, influence - those are not the people they will send to die in a pointless war
Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 15h
Fewer folks around with access to rope!
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 19 pts · 14h
Ah, but more rope available per person.
crazycraw@crazypeople.online · 7 pts · 14h
that's communism ™!
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 10h
Well... That makes it oddly appropriate then.
desmosthenes@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 13h
Yevgeny Prigozhin was close
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 77 pts · 13h
Imagine making the decision of sacrificing hundreds of thousands of additional lives to delay your own inevitable demise caused by your own astronomical fuck up.
Putin is a cowardly bitch.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 12h
Honestly it need not even be his demise. There are any number of countries he could flee to, countries without extradition treaties and willing to look the other way for any rich despot looking for a safe harbor. Some small Middle East dictatorship seems a logical choice. But even China would probably offer him refuge. Even North Korea if he's truly desperate. Hell, if he offered to end the war tomorrow, most Western countries would probably be willing to offer Putin amnesty, as painful as that would be. If the choice is between holding Putin accountable and saving another hundred thousand innocent lives, I'll let Putin go.
What he is truly afraid of is losing power. He can keep his life. He can keep at least a lot of his wealth. The one thing he can't flee the country with is his power.
In the modern world, dictators never need fear their personal survival. International pariah dictators all support each other. There's a reason Trump cozies up to despots. The dictators all realize that any of them could be deposed, and that losing power will result flight or death. They're all paranoid and afraid of losing power and their lives. So they all backstop each other and provide what assistance they can. And what even the poorest dictator can offer is protection from extradition.
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4h
No self respecting western country would take him The russians would kill him if he went to the US. Whoever takes over will decide if he is returned from an ally. Stalin had much tighter control and he couldnt leave office because of te same fears. He would give up the power if it meant he wouldnt die immediately. They would hang every failure on him, publicly trial him and sentence him the rest of his natural life in a camp.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1h
I don't think you're correct. They may not have extradition treaties, but they also don't want to negatively affect relations with the successor for nothing in return. They aren't going to defend Putin, because most of the world, and especially the Russian successor, would be after him. There's just no benefit. They may not extradite, but they won't host him either (outside of a prison). He'd likely either be held in captivity or executed, if he isn't extradited, or let The Hague take care of him.
kurmudgeon@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 13h
Imagine blindly following such an asshole and allowing your own fathers, sons, brothers to blindly become part of the meat grinder because you're too ignorant to fucking rise up and get rid of this dipshit.
GreenBeard@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 11h
We're still talking Putin right? Not Trump's Iran debacle? I suppose it's technically not a meat grinder... yet... we'll see what he does after the midterms.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 56m
As much as I hate Trump, he's got nothing on Putin yet. A few dozen American soldiers have died at most, and many suffered, but it's nothing like what's happening with Russian soldiers and infrastructure. People are not being drafted yet either. He's cost a lot of money, but there's not hundreds of thousands of men dying in an invasion.
realitista@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 9h
..delay by less than a year
peopleproblems@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 11h
Im personally in favor of him getting Ghadaffi'd
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 36 pts · 11h
How about Mussolini'd?
GreenBeard@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 11h
Once upon a time, people knew what to do with authoritarian dictators.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 8h
He can get Putined once somebody invents a sufficiently horrible meaning.
qarbone@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4h
"Putin on the Ritz"
Drop him from orbit on to the Ritz London hotel.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 5h
It should probably involve polonium tea and an open, high window. For starters.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 10h
Hung by his feet and dead body beaten by mothers of dead soldiers.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 10h
And each member of pussy riot gets to take a bullwhip to his ball sack.
modus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 5h
Mason jar in his rectum filled with hornets. Plus the aforementioned hanging upside down, ball smashing things.
OakTree@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 10h
Can I offer Ceaușescu as an option?
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1h
Mussolini didn't get a sword up the fundament. I saw video where Ghadaffi did.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 14h
Dear Russians,
please get on with it.
Sincerely,
A guy who's very tired of this shit
banause@feddit.org · 1 pts · 15m
Dear US americans ...
frongt@lemmy.zip · 31 pts · 15h
Even if they do, it'll come too late.
And it won't serve any purpose. The next guy won't be much different, and everyone thinks "well, I can learn from his mistakes, I'll be smarter, it'll never happen to me", until it does.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 51m
I don't know that the next person will be more of the same. It depends on how this all goes down. The last time something similar happened in Russia they ended up replacing an empire with the Soviet Union, which was certainly different.
The last Emperor was fighting a perpetual invasion, and the people eventually had enough and overthrew them. It's very similar to today, with the only difference being that the leader isn't an emperor by title, as much as he wants to be one.
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 15h
Is there a GoFundMe I can contribute to?
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 18 pts · 14h
in a way
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 6h
Putin's very existence is proof that prayers don't work.
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 22 pts · 8h
The actual quote:
So this isn't him saying "I think we're gonna lose the war and I'll get hanged" it's more "if I don't completely win the war I may get hanged"
There's no indication that he thinks they're going to be defeated. I think he recognizes that at worst this will result in a pyrrhic victory and they walk away with a large chunk of Ukraine, not Ukraine defeating them and driving the Russians back out.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 10 pts · 6h
Yeah. It does show where the political motivations are currently in the war and why it isn't going to be over any time soon. There is no politically acceptable end to the war for either side, so the war of attrition continues.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 9h
"I fucked up and now I can't stop."
realitista@lemmus.org · 18 pts · 9h
It's been 1.4 million casualties so far, 400k is just 6-9 months worth at this point.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 9h
Ukraine has basically eradicated Wildberries, a main distributor of components and gear used by the Russian army.
Who would have thought outsourcing critical goods distribution to Chinese dropshipping fronts would have negative consequences for your imperial wars of aggression?
It gets even worse because Putin has said that in order to protect critical infrastructure such as these distribution centers, they can request military aid to protect them, but they have to pay for the privilege and once they pay the kremlin gets to decide what to protect, where, when, and how to spend that money at its own discretion.
🤡
realitista@lemmus.org · 12 pts · 8h
Not only that, but if they don't protect their businesses themselves, then the Kremlin will nationalize them and "protect" them.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 7h
It's their own fault, then!
itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 4h
Acceptable
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 3h
Why is he afraid? Why are these assholes who have no problem sending millions of young people to their death always afraid of the consequences?
ripcord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3h
Nearly as good would be ending the war tomorrow even if he survives.
lka1988@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 7h
Oh no!
Anyway...
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 14 pts · 15h
We are hoping buddy!
brastak@feddit.org · 13 pts · 14h
That looks like a vicious circle of authoritarianism. You suppress free media, you suppress anyone who says things you don't like. Your servants only provide you the information which won't make them punished. You end up completely detached from reality which leads your rule to fall eventually
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 11h
“Adequate communication flows freely between equals. Communication between non-equals is warped and distorted by second-circuit Domination and Submission rituals perpetuating communication jam and a Game Without End.” ― Robert Anton Wilson, Prometheus Rising
More succinctly, '(Full) Communication is only possible between equals'.
A very common downfall for authoritarians, shame about all the destruction beforehand.
acchariya@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 14h
I've said this before but once the families of a million dead soldiers realize that thier sons are fertilizer in Ukraine and not just on extended deployment, Putin is going to be hanged.
A large majority of the relatives inside the media bubble of Russia really are not aware of how the war is going.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 3h
Leaders killing several hundred thousand to cover up their mistakes and crimes is pretty common these days.
So much corruption and death to preserve the child&oil economy.
banause@feddit.org · 1 pts · 23m
"these days" my boo...
Stern@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 15h
bold of him to say within 100 miles of a russian death window
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 15h
No windows in bunkers.
daychilde@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 14h
If it's multistory, all you gotta do is have a nice open stairwell, then you can put a window on that and it'd do just fine for autodefenestration.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 14h
If it's a single story, bring a laptop with Windows installed and do your best.
daychilde@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 13h
Hahaha. I am officially now going to refer to switching from Windows to Linux as autodefenestration.
ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 12h
Nobody can create mulch out of it's people as well as Russia. That's a culture that needs a fresh start.
DrStanleyGoodspeed@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 4h
Get fucked tyrant
jobbies@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 10h
Whether he wins or looses he's fucked. Mobilise or don't mobilise, outcome is the same.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 8h
Whether he wins or loses we are all fucked. If push comes to shove, he'll use nukes. He has nothing to lose and is in too deep to pull out.
gergolippai@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 10h
there were rumours that accurate information does not reach him any more, as he's surrounded by yes men. this, if true, points to him indeed having at least soma accurate info.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 10h
Or he just has suspicions based on how similar failures have gone
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4h
he will be hanged sooner for every additional warmongering action
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 5h
I hope not. Not with all those windows they could use…
pigup@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 4h
I thought you wrote widows at first. Thoroughly changes the meaning.
cloudshouter@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2h
Don’t stand between a window and a widow.
rain_enjoyer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 14h
inshallah they will. when did he achieve that piercing insight? this was pretty obvious outcome about half year deep into the war, well one of a handful but most likely
CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 14h
I mean hopefully Russians' hatred will overwhelm fear of this despot.
Cellari@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 11h
400 000? That's just the next given number. There will be more after the 400k.
Endgame@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 41m
I'm surprised he hasn't already gotten the Julius Caesar treatment to be frank.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 10h
I'll smash them
I'll rip em off
I'll chop it off
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 8h
Put'in in a stew.
GolfFoxtrotLima@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 12m
I look forward to the day when Putin finally dies, I will pop a bottle of champagne if Putin dies
danielfm123@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 13h
Do it and we buy gas again.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1m
Hopefully upside down and then beat him with sticks until candy comes out.