Weird, I learned rhotic was pretty much standard dialect around the time North America was colonized ... wouldn't that mean it's the other way around in reality? (Honest no rage-bait question). I was taught and repeatedly read over the years that modern British dialect sounded more American then, and only changed with more inter-colonization from surrounding countries?
Nah, you have learnt what is largely an overblown myth. The whole "American sounds more like Shakespeare's English than modern British English" is completely false, but it gets repeated ad nauseam by Americans on the internet.
Is it? I thought cigarettes are for killing the weak minded. I say that as someone that smoked and quit. Smoking tobacco kills. Marijuana on the other hand is a gift from the gods.
Absolutely, a singular "British accent" is something that only Americans seem to think exists, and they usually mean RP (the posh accent found mostly in the south east of England).
Scotland, England, Wales, all part of Britain, and all have plenty of wildly different accents within them. Compare Geordie, West Country, Cockney, Scouse, and Brummie. Even the accents between Scotland's two main cities, Glasgow and Edinburgh, are completely different.
So yeah, if someone says they love a "British accent" just respond in Glaswegian and see how they like it!
Oh, aye, in truth the Scots tongue is by far my favourite! I sadly do not speak it; but between an English leid and a Scots one I'd love to speak the latter. Yola would've been cool too.
Geordie (Yorkshire) and West Country are also a pleasure to listen to, in earnest
There are many British accents, you will have to be more specific. Personally, I find the Yorkshire one rather charming. However, that is the opinion of someone from the DEEP Ottawa Valley.
"The British class system is not about money. It is a caste system. You can have all the money in the world, but if you don't have the accent, the school, and the pedigree, you remain an Untouchable to the ruling class." Antony Jay & Jonathan Lynn: Yes Minister
Or perhapa a show produced by the British goverment that presents {the deep state as a powerful undemocratic entity and kind-hearted people in politics as naive bumbling idiots that fail upwards because they unintentionally serve the deep state} at a time of Thatcher dismantling public services is in fact state propaganda, no less insidious for being genuinely funny and sharp-witted.
Things are changing. At least now a decent amount of research has been done into these prejudices, so we at least have a solid starting point. It's still a fact that you go further, faster and easier if you speak with a received pronunciation, or even just Southern, accent in Britain. Hearing a northern regional accent on the PM is a breath of fresh air. I would prefer Corbyn in that seat, though, even with his posh dulcet voice.
Bluey is popular, but none of them sound like they're from Brisbane. They mostly have a mid-Atlantic accent with vocabulary from both the UK and the states. Like they say chips and fries rather than crisps and chips, but also say nappies instead of diapers. And as previously stated when there's a pronunciation difference rather that a vocabulary difference there's usually a 50/50 split, but not the same division each time, so the same kid will say tomAYto as will say ZEHbra. And for a lot of things they just throw in a Norwegian phrase translated directly into English.
Hey come on now, the southern accent is endearing. What's even more interesting is that the accent is consistent across languages. Check out the French settlers from the former Louisiana territory. French is their first language, and yet they sound like a stereotypical American trying to pronounce French words. It's so beautiful!
hehe. I was once jogging around my neighborhood when I briefly lived there, and a little kid said to his mum as I went past, "that looks roight toiring". I think about it often.
Some might have a strong accent, at least it's not as bad as how much Americans rapes the English language. I mean, they can't even say aluminium properly.
Not true. It came from the latin word alumina, or French alun, yet the British spelling maintains the "ium" suffix as with many other elements in the periodic table. The British spelling, which is the same in many other countries and widely accepted as the correct spelling, predates the American spelling. The Americans made a simplified version.
the British spelling maintains the "ium" suffix as with many other elements in the periodic table.
Lanthanum, molybdenum, platinum. It could be said aluminum follows the "-num" suffix used by other elements on the periodic table.
The British spelling, which is the same in many other countries and widely accepted as the correct spelling, predates the American spelling.
The British spelling was originally alumium, as written by Sir Humphry Davy. But this didn't comply with the naming standard of alumina as its oxide. To include the n, he started writing it as aluminum, before the third spelling aluminium entered popular use in academic circles.
A couple I know moved from Canada to the UK. Even at 6ish years old, despite being raised by them, including one as a stay-at-home mom, the kid had a strong British accent.
Luckily, they're mostly immune, although my friend does now say "gareridge" instead of "gahraje".
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gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 64 pts · 2d
which one are you:
Griffus@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 1d
Should also add š¦šŗ English (Poisonous)
Impound4017@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 1d
I believe thatād be English (Venomous), unless thereās something I donāt know about the edibility of Aussies.
essell@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
I ain't gonna risk licking them
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 1d
And as is tradition, New Zealand is forgotten.
echodot@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 1d
Oh you mean Australia 2
adarza@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 23h
..Electric Boogaloo
lyralycan@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 1d
This or one of the 56 flavours of English (Colonial) but perhaps American also counts as that
uenticx@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Weird, I learned rhotic was pretty much standard dialect around the time North America was colonized ... wouldn't that mean it's the other way around in reality? (Honest no rage-bait question). I was taught and repeatedly read over the years that modern British dialect sounded more American then, and only changed with more inter-colonization from surrounding countries?
Rothe@piefed.social · 5 pts · 1d
Nah, you have learnt what is largely an overblown myth. The whole "American sounds more like Shakespeare's English than modern British English" is completely false, but it gets repeated ad nauseam by Americans on the internet.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 1d
We still have some rhotic accents. They donāt sound American though - just rhotic - like how Frasierās non-rhotic accent doesnāt sound English.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1d
Picking "Inglis an Scots š“ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó “ó æ"
Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1d
Im head empty no thoughts, so simple is accurate for me
deHaga@feddit.uk · 32 pts · 2d
Do Americans take vocal fry lessons?
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 26 pts · 2d
why do you think they consume so much oil?
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 2d
Thatās what cigarettes are for.
bedwyr@piefed.ca · -3 pts · 2d
Is it? I thought cigarettes are for killing the weak minded. I say that as someone that smoked and quit. Smoking tobacco kills. Marijuana on the other hand is a gift from the gods.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 2d
Cigarettes definitely impact how your voice sounds.
evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
You ever hear a posh British man from the early-mid 1900's talk? The US valley-girl vocal fry has nothing on CS Lewis.
Finnish is probably the most deep-fried language, though.
ytg@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 1d
So true. Definitely the most annoying thing about that accent (even more than the HAPPY vowel).
dharmacurious@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 1d
For real? Well now I gotta go find some clips!
evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
This is a good video on it. Around 12:30 specifically goes over the old British man version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0yL2GezneU
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 2d
It is mass media that has made people talk similar. It used to be every county, in the UK and US, would have a distinct accent.
Since mass media, only the regions that want to keep their accents have them.
AmyAye@nord.pub · 1 pts · 1d
No, American is the default accent for anyone not forced to learn "Bri'ish."
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 2d
british accent? disgusting
scottish accent? cute af
but i'm biased
lyralycan@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 1d
Irish is a broad range from enchantingly cute to ancient utterings possibly summoning an eldritch god
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 1d
at the risk of flaming a lot of people:
isn't a scottish accent also british (as in, spoken on great britain)?
smeg@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 1d
Absolutely, a singular "British accent" is something that only Americans seem to think exists, and they usually mean RP (the posh accent found mostly in the south east of England).
Scotland, England, Wales, all part of Britain, and all have plenty of wildly different accents within them. Compare Geordie, West Country, Cockney, Scouse, and Brummie. Even the accents between Scotland's two main cities, Glasgow and Edinburgh, are completely different.
So yeah, if someone says they love a "British accent" just respond in Glaswegian and see how they like it!
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 1d
Oh, aye, in truth the Scots tongue is by far my favourite! I sadly do not speak it; but between an English leid and a Scots one I'd love to speak the latter. Yola would've been cool too.
Geordie (Yorkshire) and West Country are also a pleasure to listen to, in earnest
smeg@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 1d
Geordie is Newcastle (Tyne and Wear), not Yorkshire!
MML@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
https://youtu.be/P5nnhkr0cho
I think it's Cockney, this is what we hear either way.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 1d
Haha, 100%
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 21h
not when you support independence for scotland :3
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub · 0 pts · 1d
No
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1d
There are many British accents, you will have to be more specific. Personally, I find the Yorkshire one rather charming. However, that is the opinion of someone from the DEEP Ottawa Valley.
essell@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
If you think there's a "British accent" you're not qualified to be in this conversation.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 1d
British accent = what Americans think is a British accent...
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 21h
i mean i was referring to the wording in the image in the original post; i know there's not one singuar british accent.
essell@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21h
Are you aware Scotland is a part of Britain? š
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 21h
i'm aware it shouldn't be a part of britain.
essell@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 20h
Well, geology will take care of some of that over the next few million years.
In the meantime, the debate over whether it should be part of the UK will continue in a much shorter timescale.
crapwittyname@feddit.uk · 11 pts · 1d
Which accent? We've got so many.
hernanca@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 22h
Scouse should qualify as a separate language at this point.
crapwittyname@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 20h
Arlarse this helmet lad
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 22h
The American brain can't comprehend there being multiple noticeable cultural divisions within a country.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 1d
"The British class system is not about money. It is a caste system. You can have all the money in the world, but if you don't have the accent, the school, and the pedigree, you remain an Untouchable to the ruling class." Antony Jay & Jonathan Lynn: Yes Minister
crapwittyname@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 1d
Yeah, but the prime minister is a Scouser so...
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 1d
Perhaps things changed in the past 38+ years.
Or perhapa a show produced by the British goverment that presents {the deep state as a powerful undemocratic entity and kind-hearted people in politics as naive bumbling idiots that fail upwards because they unintentionally serve the deep state} at a time of Thatcher dismantling public services is in fact state propaganda, no less insidious for being genuinely funny and sharp-witted.
Perhaps even both.
crapwittyname@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 1d
Things are changing. At least now a decent amount of research has been done into these prejudices, so we at least have a solid starting point. It's still a fact that you go further, faster and easier if you speak with a received pronunciation, or even just Southern, accent in Britain. Hearing a northern regional accent on the PM is a breath of fresh air. I would prefer Corbyn in that seat, though, even with his posh dulcet voice.
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2d
Half my kids say ZEHbra and half say ZEEbra.
decolo@piefed.social · 9 pts · 2d
Have you been running some sort of A/B test?
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
The two that are in school (1zee 1zeh) are both delinquents. Not sure it makes a difference.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 1d
Any connection to what TV they preferred (e.g. Bluey)?
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Bluey is popular, but none of them sound like they're from Brisbane. They mostly have a mid-Atlantic accent with vocabulary from both the UK and the states. Like they say chips and fries rather than crisps and chips, but also say nappies instead of diapers. And as previously stated when there's a pronunciation difference rather that a vocabulary difference there's usually a 50/50 split, but not the same division each time, so the same kid will say tomAYto as will say ZEHbra. And for a lot of things they just throw in a Norwegian phrase translated directly into English.
monketman82@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2d
He'll save children, but not the British children.
Sparrow_1029@programming.dev · 3 pts · 1d
Thanks for the deep cut
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 1d
Whot mate! Do you have a problem? Plonker.
starchylemming@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
Honestly, as an outsider i can say it sounds kinda cute and very polite
It's the antithesis of whatever the southern US is speaking. That just sounds like a whole pack of chewing gum is in your mouth.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Honestly sort of similar accents.
iamericandre@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
There are accents in the outer banks area of North Carolina that are the closest to the original British and Irish settlers of the area.
wraekscadu@vargar.org · 2 pts · 1d
Hey come on now, the southern accent is endearing. What's even more interesting is that the accent is consistent across languages. Check out the French settlers from the former Louisiana territory. French is their first language, and yet they sound like a stereotypical American trying to pronounce French words. It's so beautiful!
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22h
There's something in the water then, got it.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 1d
idk, I always crack up when I hear a tiny Brit speak
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1d
hehe. I was once jogging around my neighborhood when I briefly lived there, and a little kid said to his mum as I went past, "that looks roight toiring". I think about it often.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1d
Some might have a strong accent, at least it's not as bad as how much Americans rapes the English language. I mean, they can't even say aluminium properly.
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22h
Aluminum came first, for what it's worth. British publications just added the extra i because they thought it sounded fancier.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 21h
Not true. It came from the latin word alumina, or French alun, yet the British spelling maintains the "ium" suffix as with many other elements in the periodic table. The British spelling, which is the same in many other countries and widely accepted as the correct spelling, predates the American spelling. The Americans made a simplified version.
Source
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 20h
Lanthanum, molybdenum, platinum. It could be said aluminum follows the "-num" suffix used by other elements on the periodic table.
The British spelling was originally alumium, as written by Sir Humphry Davy. But this didn't comply with the naming standard of alumina as its oxide. To include the n, he started writing it as aluminum, before the third spelling aluminium entered popular use in academic circles.
Source
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1d
Aluminum
echodot@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 1d
I'm just going to sprinkle the letter z all over the place, which they will be unable to pronounce, which will erroneously replace the letter s.
Serialization, ewwww, just look at it.
P1k1e@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Ok-ay Gov!
merc@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1d
A couple I know moved from Canada to the UK. Even at 6ish years old, despite being raised by them, including one as a stay-at-home mom, the kid had a strong British accent.
Luckily, they're mostly immune, although my friend does now say "gareridge" instead of "gahraje".