Look I know China personally about as you do and I can tell you one thing: they don’t want any war. They just want to be the centre of the world again and make every nation economically dependent on them. War doesn’t help them, because they win with economy.
Also all russia can really threaten Europe and Germany with are ballistic missiles and who was it again who launched a war THEY KNEW would consume much of Europe's ballistic missile interceptors either directly or indirectly?
Actually that is one of the best arguments for selling arms to Israel. Germany bought Arrow from them, which is perfect against Russian longer range missiles. Nobody in Europe produces a system with similar capabilities and the only alternatives to that are being sold by the US, Russia and China.
As for Patriot interceptors, those are used by the US and Arab countries. Israel has a system called Davids Sling, which has similar capabilities. They actually sold that to Finland and Greece. Currently Volkswagen is in talks with Israel to produce parts of that in Germany. That would be a useful factory to have in case of a war with Russia.
Also no European country has send missile interceptors to Israel or any country in the region. The most are shooting down some Iranian drones attacking Cyprus, but that is to be expected.
Russia is surely watching what is happening on both sides of the Atlantic closely. Moscow knows that it is also subject to the laws of physics when it comes to its own munitions depth, but it understands the politics of scarcity. If US intelligence assessments are right that Putin plans to “test NATO resolve” in the coming years, then the replenishment clock matters on both sides—and Russia is trying to recapitalize itself while fighting a full-scale war.
One of the reasons for Ratcliffe’s visit to Moscow, according to the Washington Post, was to dispel the Kremlin’s belief that the Trump White House was distracted from Ukraine by Iran. Good luck with that. The reporting on the severe depletion of US interceptor stocks from the war on Iran is so extensive it can only have encouraged Vladimir Putin to launch even more deadly missile strikes against Ukraine’s defenseless population.
who was it again who launched a war THEY KNEW would consume all of Europe’s ballistic missile interceptors?
From the first article:
Germany has donated about one-third of its Patriot systems to Ukraine,
Oh and also from the article:
Israel is a unique case in the region but faces similar constraints. Its indigenous missile defense capabilities—including Arrow 3, Arrow 2, and David’s Sling—give it options that other US partners in the region do not have.
In other words Israel can build missile interceptors.
And then you even quote the article:
If US intelligence assessments are right that Putin plans to “test NATO resolve” in the coming years, then the replenishment clock matters on both sides
In other words, being able to access more interceptors is a key thing for European NATO members. Israel can make more of those.
Oh and this is from the US, who stopped Patriot missile sales to Ukraine BEFORE the war against Iran for months, because Zelensky did not war a suit. I would not be surprised if US stockpiles do not matter in a war at all, because the US is unwilling to sell them to Europe. That obviously would make Israel an even more important option.
Yes I did read the article and no, none of your points establish that Israel is an ally of Europe or Ukraine, you have only established that Israel has increased political leverage of them.
Oh and this is from the US, who stopped Patriot missile sales to Ukraine BEFORE the war against Iran for months,
The US and Israel planned the Iran War at least months in advance? This proves nothing.
A SINGLE PATRIOT SYSTEM does not make up for all the missiles fired in the war of choice that is the Iran War, that Israel and the US chose to start arbitrarily.
Goliath was probably 6ft 9in. Israelite culture was derived from Canaanite / Philistine culture, and genetically they’re mostly indistinguishable. The native populations did mostly convert to Greek gods, Roman, then Christianity and Islam.
The Israeli invaders are mainly Hasidic and Ashkenazi Jews who are Caucasian Ukrainian and European in descent.
Neither Hamas and Canada are destroying 70% of other people infrastructures and are currently creating a famine by bombing 85% of the agricultural field .
Why should Palestinians pay for what the roman did to the jews?
The definition show that Israel is committing genocide. Hamas may have genocidal statement but they are not committing one right now .
Just a head’s up, genocide isn’t “70% of infrastructure” and “85% of agricultural fields”, it’s not even murder per definition.
The intent to destroy a population partially or fully fit the definition of genocide. The destruction of agricultural fields cause famine and would force Palestinians to be ethnically cleansed or dying from starvation
You are claiming that all the land belong to israel forever , so you are basically supporting the genocide of Palestinians . East Jerusalem and west bank which Israel is colonizing is Palestinians not Israel.
In his book The Land of Israel in the Past and Present Ben gurion said : the local Palestinian agricultural workers (the Fellahin) were actually the direct descendants of the ancient Jewish and Samaritan farmers who had remained on the land after the Roman expulsions.
Palestinians are basically Israelites that converted to Islam and was Arabized
I think Germany has a special relationship with "whiteness" that makes it especially vulnerable to fascism, especially in how Germany is perceived and treated by other groups of white people.
Also though, Germany is a culture bursting with contradictions, within a year of Mein Kempf being published another novel was published The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann by an originally German author who moved to the US.
The Magic Mountain is firmly cemented in German culture... and is indisputably one of the best novels ever written in German or English and is certainly one of the most humanist and openly accepting of humanity in all its "failures" of any great novel of the 20th century. The Magic Mountain is the most supremely antifascist novel imaginable and it is equally allergic to racism and discrimination.
With the start of the Cold War, he was increasingly frustrated by rising McCarthyism. As a "suspected communist", he was required to testify to the House Un-American Activities Committee, where he was termed "one of the world's foremost apologists for Stalin and company".[19] He was listed by HUAC as being "affiliated with various peace organizations or Communist fronts".
Being in his own words a non-communist, rather than an anti-communist, Mann openly opposed the allegations: "As an American citizen of German birth, I finally testify that I am painfully familiar with certain political trends. Spiritual intolerance, political inquisitions, and declining legal security, and all this in the name of an alleged 'state of emergency'. ... That is how it started in Germany."
As Mann joined protests against the jailing of the Hollywood Ten and the firing of schoolteachers suspected of being Communists, he found "the media had been closed to him".[20] Finally, he was forced to quit his position as Consultant in Germanic Literature at the Library of Congress,[21] and in 1952, he returned to Europe, to live in Kilchberg, near Zürich, Switzerland. Here he initially lived in a rented house and bought his last house there in 1954 (which later his widow and then their son Golo lived in until their deaths).
He never again lived in Germany, though he regularly traveled there. His most important German visit was in 1949, at the 200th birthday of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, attending celebrations in Frankfurt am Main (then West Germany) and Weimar (then East Germany), as a statement that German culture extended beyond the new political borders.[22] He also visited Lübeck, where he saw his parents' house, which was partially destroyed by the bombing of Lübeck in World War II (and only later rebuilt).
History is a nightmare from which we are trying to awake.
I think Germany has a special relationship with “whiteness”
No that's the US. Racism in Germany and Europe as a whole, has always been about cultural and ethnic differences more than skin color. The persecuted slavs or jews were just as pasty as any German, unlike the "honorary Aryans" in Japan.
Germany is a culture bursting with contradictions, within a year of Mein Kempf being published another novel was published The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann
Two different authors with different backgrounds writing different books? What a uniquely contradictory culture Germany is.
Disregard that one of them is lauded for its literary and cultural significance while the other is basically as important as the art of the deal.
And of course the explanation for contemporary German culture and its problematic relation to Israel can be found in the literature of 1924.
Nothing significant happened since then, right? Everyone was on vacation in the 30s and 40s. Occupation, the Cold War, the literal formation of the country of Israel? Surely none of the could have any relevance.
I do agree that the Magic Mountain is a great book.
But although some of its themes do go against aspects of fascism, calling it "the most supremely antifascist novel imaginable " seems a bit of a stretch.
No that’s the US. Racism in Germany and Europe as a whole, has always been about cultural and ethnic differences more than skin color. The persecuted slavs or jews were just as pasty as any German, unlike the “honorary Aryans” in Japan.
ahahahaha Read The Color Purple or Their Eyes Were Watching God, the idea that racism actually cares about skin tone in any consistent way is impossible and absurd, it is always mixed up with ethnicity, context and imposed categories. Germany is just the same as any other racist society in that respect. Check your ignorance.
You added nothing to this conversation other than a sense of condescencion.
The Magic Mountain is one of the most supremely antifascist novels ever written and its perspective from the eve of WW1 mirrors our current position with eerie and foreboding syncronicity.
Come up with a better argument if you want to cut me down.
@HieroProtagonist@blackshirt
That has traditionally been the case because the historical account was the exclusive copyright of the "winner".
Now, however (as we can see e.g. with Israel's century of terrorism and crimes against humanity), the truth is harder to hide. #Germany is on the wrong side of history, and that won't change, whoever "wins".
I didn't say it was a smart decision. Emotions can make people do irrational things. And if they feel that badly about what happened in the past, I could see this hard overcorrection.
They ain't exactly rushing to defend transsexual people worldwide. Way more than just Jewish people were killed in the Holocaust. They only feel guilty about the Jewish ones?
I mean fair point but you only really hear about the Jewish victims. Of course there were others as well but most of the things I've seen about the holocaust focus on Germany and Jewish people.
That’s the thing: the holocaust was not Germany’s only genocide. People only focus on the holocaust because it’s still technically in living memory and because Germany had streamlined its techniques to the point that they were able to commit genocide on a scale the world wasn’t expecting.
The international public was always much more concerned about the Jews, that is obviously going to shape the German perception about what they should feel guilty about.
OK? I'm not disputing that. But I'm talking about history and the international public opinion, especially international public opinion in the decades immediately after WW2, not the opinion of the German population or the fact that it's pretty easy to argue that Israel itself is antisemitic.
I think it's time for the German elite to let it go. That's it, it was awful, but it was almost a century ago. No living German was part of it. It's time to move on.
Exactly.
No living palestinian nor israeli was part of the UN suggestion of the two state solution (which was rejected and a war was started...and was lost. Then another one.). So, time to move on?
In reality it looks more convenient not to move on - but to act as if the 1947 plan by UN hasn't been rejected...by the very own predecessors.
It's not the responsibility of today's Germany to help the two sides out of the conflict where they are stuck for decades now. Both not even recognising as states (so not respecting borders?).
Germany signed many international treaties forcing then legally to act and help Palestinians. Those treaties did not tell Germany to give weapons for decades so Israel exterminate palestinians.
The two state solution was always a non solution. Jews didn't have enough territories anywhere to make a state without ethenic cleansing.
As long as the resources (provided by Germany and others) in Gaza are handled and distributed by local paramilitaries (hamass) - and the same help can be seen as supporting and enabling attacks as the 7th of October (which you conveniently ignore)
then Germany (nor others) should not bear main responsibility helping both of the sides out of the decades old conflict.
You're blaming the other side (ignoring - or maybe approving?! - the atrocities made by the other)
then you are a part of the problem, not the solution. Good bye!
Israel is the settler colonial. It is like saying we should have not support neither ukraine and russia or we should have neither supporter the allies and the axis. You are the same type of people who would have defended the slave owners after the Nat Turner uprise.
then you are a part of the problem, not the solution. Good bye!
Yo are part of the problem , you are against international obligation that obligate germany legally to stop all aid to Israel
There is no point in time when Ukraine has being building own identity solely on eliminating Russia.
And i have yet to witness any official voices inside Gaza appealing to coexist with the neighbouring country of Israel.
Until these voices freely and safely exist, as a political representatives and economical local force (and not being killed by any paramilitary like hamass or fatah) - I will not buy ANY deceitful and false comparison to Ukraine.
Israel is building an identity on eliminating palestinians and currently doing it. The day palestinians are free they will accept coexistence. Black South african accepted coexistence once the oppressor let them free
Israel is the colonizer, Russia is the colonizer there is no false equivalence
The PA recognized Israel and stopped any military activity Israel tqhnks them by building more colonies and arming and protecting the settler terrorism. The golan height did not attack Israel for decades, Israel continue to colonize it
Ok. I hear you, repeating the same hateful accusations.
Well, these are your claims about other people. In fact, you impute all of your claims as characteristics of a whole nation. (Which simply can not be true in any universe.)
Which remains solely as it is - as your own claims. They only represent your opinions (and, unsurprisingly, characterize yourself).
I would stay aside from confronting what you are claiming - and leave that as your own responsibility.
Thanks!
"If you don't do everything I say, I'm calling you an antisemite and a nazi!" - sounds dumb, but I'm pretty sure that's essentially what it is. And it worked practically every time on every German leader since Hitler, so far.
Hardly, maybe bibi does but Germany would have likely supported Israel the same way the US would have likely supported Israel whether or not bibi has any "blackmail" or whatever on leaders in the US.
I mean, what German politician was it who said "Israel does our dirty work for us?"
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rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 45 pts · 19h
Germany is giving israel weapons to exterminate Palestinians
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2h
And witholding weapons from Ukraine.
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2h
Yes
plyth@feddit.org · 3 pts · 9h
5D chess
https://factually.co/fact-checks/science/genetic-studies-palestinian-ancestry-evidence-limitations-e344b3
brainwashed@feddit.org · -3 pts · 9h
Attacking Palestinians with submarines?
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 10 pts · 7h
The naval blockage of Gaza is part of the genocide, so yeah pretty much.
brainwashed@feddit.org · -4 pts · 4h
That is also not enforced with submarines.
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2h
Submarines was not the only things included in this. Why should you have a settler colonial power doing genocide in any shape or form anyway
atro_city@fedia.io · 44 pts · 1d
Can't make this shit up. Germany needs a better army because Russia is actively attacking it, so what do they do? Sell their shit to Israel.
tardigrade@scribe.disroot.org · 11 pts · 22h
A quick reminder that Russia's attack on Europe is decisively supported by China.
kingofras@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16h
Look I know China personally about as you do and I can tell you one thing: they don’t want any war. They just want to be the centre of the world again and make every nation economically dependent on them. War doesn’t help them, because they win with economy.
Zeh_oniam@lemmy.eco.br · 5 pts · 14h
You do know what happens to the economy of countries that go to war, right?
By your own argument, China should be giddy about everyone else going to war.
0x0@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 6h
China's already won the war against the west.
They don't care.
Sprossnix@slrpnk.net · -4 pts · 19h
How do you know?
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 7 pts · 22h
I wouldn't give Israel even one helmet, but I don't think Germany is actually short on submarines.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 3h
Germany is guilt trapped in relation to Israel, it's sad how much they get taken advantage off
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 23h
Also all russia can really threaten Europe and Germany with are ballistic missiles and who was it again who launched a war THEY KNEW would consume much of Europe's ballistic missile interceptors either directly or indirectly?
Israel
Melchior@feddit.org · 4 pts · 21h
Actually that is one of the best arguments for selling arms to Israel. Germany bought Arrow from them, which is perfect against Russian longer range missiles. Nobody in Europe produces a system with similar capabilities and the only alternatives to that are being sold by the US, Russia and China.
As for Patriot interceptors, those are used by the US and Arab countries. Israel has a system called Davids Sling, which has similar capabilities. They actually sold that to Finland and Greece. Currently Volkswagen is in talks with Israel to produce parts of that in Germany. That would be a useful factory to have in case of a war with Russia.
Also no European country has send missile interceptors to Israel or any country in the region. The most are shooting down some Iranian drones attacking Cyprus, but that is to be expected.
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 21h
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/dispatches/what-shrinking-us-missile-stocks-means-for-allies-and-adversaries-around-the-world/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/sep/03/ukraine-iran-wars-trump
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-missile-interceptor-shortfall-beyond-critical-due-war-iran-report
Melchior@feddit.org · 1 pts · 20h
Have you read the first article?
Quote by you:
From the first article:
Oh and also from the article:
In other words Israel can build missile interceptors.
And then you even quote the article:
In other words, being able to access more interceptors is a key thing for European NATO members. Israel can make more of those.
Oh and this is from the US, who stopped Patriot missile sales to Ukraine BEFORE the war against Iran for months, because Zelensky did not war a suit. I would not be surprised if US stockpiles do not matter in a war at all, because the US is unwilling to sell them to Europe. That obviously would make Israel an even more important option.
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 20h
Yes I did read the article and no, none of your points establish that Israel is an ally of Europe or Ukraine, you have only established that Israel has increased political leverage of them.
The US and Israel planned the Iran War at least months in advance? This proves nothing.
Melchior@feddit.org · 1 pts · 10h
Israel has supplied Ukraine with air defence interceptors last year. That was months after the the US halted all military aid to Ukraine.
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 27m
A SINGLE PATRIOT SYSTEM does not make up for all the missiles fired in the war of choice that is the Iran War, that Israel and the US chose to start arbitrarily.
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
Forever want to be seen as a David vs Goliath.
Goliath was probably 6ft 9in. Israelite culture was derived from Canaanite / Philistine culture, and genetically they’re mostly indistinguishable. The native populations did mostly convert to Greek gods, Roman, then Christianity and Islam.
The Israeli invaders are mainly Hasidic and Ashkenazi Jews who are Caucasian Ukrainian and European in descent.
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · -2 pts · 23h
huppakee@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 23h
Israel commits genocide.
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 12 pts · 20h
So they got support from the experts.
potatodraws@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 21h
So does germany.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · -23 pts · 20h
Using today's definition of "genocide" per UN, even Canada commits genocide, and HAMAS for that matter.
https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 19h
Neither Hamas and Canada are destroying 70% of other people infrastructures and are currently creating a famine by bombing 85% of the agricultural field .
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 18h
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 18h
Why should Palestinians pay for what the roman did to the jews?
The definition show that Israel is committing genocide. Hamas may have genocidal statement but they are not committing one right now .
The intent to destroy a population partially or fully fit the definition of genocide. The destruction of agricultural fields cause famine and would force Palestinians to be ethnically cleansed or dying from starvation
You are claiming that all the land belong to israel forever , so you are basically supporting the genocide of Palestinians . East Jerusalem and west bank which Israel is colonizing is Palestinians not Israel.
Palestinians are basically Israelites that converted to Islam and was Arabized
blackshirt@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 20h
Germany always manages to be on the wrong side of history
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 19h
I think Germany has a special relationship with "whiteness" that makes it especially vulnerable to fascism, especially in how Germany is perceived and treated by other groups of white people.
Also though, Germany is a culture bursting with contradictions, within a year of Mein Kempf being published another novel was published The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann by an originally German author who moved to the US.
The Magic Mountain is firmly cemented in German culture... and is indisputably one of the best novels ever written in German or English and is certainly one of the most humanist and openly accepting of humanity in all its "failures" of any great novel of the 20th century. The Magic Mountain is the most supremely antifascist novel imaginable and it is equally allergic to racism and discrimination.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann
History is a nightmare from which we are trying to awake.
geissi@feddit.org · 9 pts · 8h
No that's the US. Racism in Germany and Europe as a whole, has always been about cultural and ethnic differences more than skin color. The persecuted slavs or jews were just as pasty as any German, unlike the "honorary Aryans" in Japan.
Two different authors with different backgrounds writing different books? What a uniquely contradictory culture Germany is.
Disregard that one of them is lauded for its literary and cultural significance while the other is basically as important as the art of the deal.
And of course the explanation for contemporary German culture and its problematic relation to Israel can be found in the literature of 1924.
Nothing significant happened since then, right? Everyone was on vacation in the 30s and 40s. Occupation, the Cold War, the literal formation of the country of Israel? Surely none of the could have any relevance.
I do agree that the Magic Mountain is a great book.
But although some of its themes do go against aspects of fascism, calling it "the most supremely antifascist novel imaginable " seems a bit of a stretch.
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 28m
ahahahaha Read The Color Purple or Their Eyes Were Watching God, the idea that racism actually cares about skin tone in any consistent way is impossible and absurd, it is always mixed up with ethnicity, context and imposed categories. Germany is just the same as any other racist society in that respect. Check your ignorance.
You added nothing to this conversation other than a sense of condescencion.
The Magic Mountain is one of the most supremely antifascist novels ever written and its perspective from the eve of WW1 mirrors our current position with eerie and foreboding syncronicity.
Come up with a better argument if you want to cut me down.
HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org · 3 pts · 9h
This comment is so true.
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 25m
I stole it from Stephen Dedalus :P
HieroProtagonist@feddit.org · -2 pts · 12h
It's only the wrong side if you lose.
Quantillion@mstdn.io · 5 pts · 11h
@HieroProtagonist @blackshirt
That has traditionally been the case because the historical account was the exclusive copyright of the "winner".
Now, however (as we can see e.g. with Israel's century of terrorism and crimes against humanity), the truth is harder to hide.
#Germany is on the wrong side of history, and that won't change, whoever "wins".
HieroProtagonist@feddit.org · -2 pts · 10h
And do you see any sign of a downfall of those who are on the - in your opinion - "wrong side"?
Quantillion@mstdn.io · 0 pts · 10h
@HieroProtagonist
No.
HieroProtagonist@feddit.org · -1 pts · 9h
Sooo...
Lanske@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 23h
Ffs Germany, why do you do this
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 22h
I mean... you don't think they feel a little guilty about what they've done to Jewish people in the past?
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 22h
Pretty fucking dumb to endorse Genocide to the tune of ~1 billion because of guilt about conducting a Genocide...
Skua@kbin.earth · 4 pts · 22h
It is dumb, yes, but humans aren't always rational about such emotionally intense things as that scale of national guilt
distal@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 20h
No, this is an extremely rational colonialist decision made by big German business interests.
huppakee@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 18h
The rational being selling stuff gives you money, i dont think they really care who dies, as long as there is someone left to be their customer.
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 22h
I am from the USA so that is a totally, utterly perposterous idea to me, my bad I didn't realize Europe is so much less civilized than USA.
I step on a rake and smack myself in the face
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15h
I didn't say it was a smart decision. Emotions can make people do irrational things. And if they feel that badly about what happened in the past, I could see this hard overcorrection.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 4 pts · 22h
Thank you for your insight on the German psyche, Adolf Schmitler.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15h
o7
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 14h
They ain't exactly rushing to defend transsexual people worldwide. Way more than just Jewish people were killed in the Holocaust. They only feel guilty about the Jewish ones?
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 13h
Israel claims that only Jews were victims of the Holocaust.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13h
Nope, never said or even implied that but whatever makes you feel good posting I guess
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 19h
No, i don't think so. Black people also suffered from german empires you don't see germany defending for example the rsf
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 15h
I mean fair point but you only really hear about the Jewish victims. Of course there were others as well but most of the things I've seen about the holocaust focus on Germany and Jewish people.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
That’s the thing: the holocaust was not Germany’s only genocide. People only focus on the holocaust because it’s still technically in living memory and because Germany had streamlined its techniques to the point that they were able to commit genocide on a scale the world wasn’t expecting.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · -3 pts · 18h
The international public was always much more concerned about the Jews, that is obviously going to shape the German perception about what they should feel guilty about.
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 18h
Should i mention all the terrorists attack the Zionists did that target other jews? Did germany condemned israel bombing a synagogues in Iran?
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · -3 pts · 18h
I'm talking about the public perception, not whether it's justified by facts.
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 18h
62% of German voters believe that Israel's military actions in Gaza constitute genocide
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · -2 pts · 18h
OK? I'm not disputing that. But I'm talking about history and the international public opinion, especially international public opinion in the decades immediately after WW2, not the opinion of the German population or the fact that it's pretty easy to argue that Israel itself is antisemitic.
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 19h
Rich ppl making money is a universal threat to all nations.
BigShammy80@feddit.org · 16 pts · 7h
We are part of a genocide... i can't believe our government approves this...
Foni@piefed.zip · 9 pts · 21h
I think it's time for the German elite to let it go. That's it, it was awful, but it was almost a century ago. No living German was part of it. It's time to move on.
nimisnimi@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 19h
Exactly. No living palestinian nor israeli was part of the UN suggestion of the two state solution (which was rejected and a war was started...and was lost. Then another one.). So, time to move on?
In reality it looks more convenient not to move on - but to act as if the 1947 plan by UN hasn't been rejected...by the very own predecessors.
It's not the responsibility of today's Germany to help the two sides out of the conflict where they are stuck for decades now. Both not even recognising as states (so not respecting borders?).
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 19h
Germany signed many international treaties forcing then legally to act and help Palestinians. Those treaties did not tell Germany to give weapons for decades so Israel exterminate palestinians.
The two state solution was always a non solution. Jews didn't have enough territories anywhere to make a state without ethenic cleansing.
nimisnimi@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 6h
As long as the resources (provided by Germany and others) in Gaza are handled and distributed by local paramilitaries (hamass) - and the same help can be seen as supporting and enabling attacks as the 7th of October (which you conveniently ignore)
You're blaming the other side (ignoring - or maybe approving?! - the atrocities made by the other)
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 2h
Israel is the settler colonial. It is like saying we should have not support neither ukraine and russia or we should have neither supporter the allies and the axis. You are the same type of people who would have defended the slave owners after the Nat Turner uprise.
Yo are part of the problem , you are against international obligation that obligate germany legally to stop all aid to Israel
nimisnimi@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2h
There is no point in time when Ukraine has being building own identity solely on eliminating Russia.
And i have yet to witness any official voices inside Gaza appealing to coexist with the neighbouring country of Israel.
Until these voices freely and safely exist, as a political representatives and economical local force (and not being killed by any paramilitary like hamass or fatah) - I will not buy ANY deceitful and false comparison to Ukraine.
rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2h
Israel is building an identity on eliminating palestinians and currently doing it. The day palestinians are free they will accept coexistence. Black South african accepted coexistence once the oppressor let them free
Israel is the colonizer, Russia is the colonizer there is no false equivalence
The PA recognized Israel and stopped any military activity Israel tqhnks them by building more colonies and arming and protecting the settler terrorism. The golan height did not attack Israel for decades, Israel continue to colonize it
nimisnimi@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 1h
Ok. I hear you, repeating the same hateful accusations. Well, these are your claims about other people. In fact, you impute all of your claims as characteristics of a whole nation. (Which simply can not be true in any universe.)
Which remains solely as it is - as your own claims. They only represent your opinions (and, unsurprisingly, characterize yourself).
I would stay aside from confronting what you are claiming - and leave that as your own responsibility. Thanks!
tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 5h
German people in power dont do a genocide, challenge level: IMPOSSIBLE.
tho tbf it seema most other governments in eu have this brain bug as well. Bibi really got the boomers in a stranglehold
MadBits@europe.pub · 4 pts · 2h
That's so sad... 😑
Kennystillalive@feddit.org · 4 pts · 5h
Germany: Since 1914 on the wromg side of history.
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org · 4 pts · 3h
Would be much cooler if they also sold 2 billion dollars worth of arms exports to their neighborsto keep everyone happy...
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Vorsprung Durch Vernichtung
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 23h
Vorteil durch Selbstzerstörung
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 3h
Just goes to show...business first! Make Germany great again! /s
Alexfire@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1h
Wrong
Cheebus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4m
We have a major global oligarch problem.
ContactClosure@lemmus.org · 0 pts · 22h
Wait what does bibi have on the leader of Germany?
Devial@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4h
Nothing, Merz is just a massive piece of shit and seemingly fully immune to any level of shame.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 5 pts · 22h
"If you don't do everything I say, I'm calling you an antisemite and a nazi!" - sounds dumb, but I'm pretty sure that's essentially what it is. And it worked practically every time on every German leader since Hitler, so far.
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 20h
Hardly, maybe bibi does but Germany would have likely supported Israel the same way the US would have likely supported Israel whether or not bibi has any "blackmail" or whatever on leaders in the US.
I mean, what German politician was it who said "Israel does our dirty work for us?"
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-merz-says-israel-doing-dirty-work-for-us-in-iran/live-72939104
Ah yes, the leader of Germany!
Nomad@infosec.pub · 0 pts · 7h
... In Iran. If you're gonna quote, don't do that in a disingenuous way.
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 34m
The Iran War and the Palestinian Genocide are directly linked, I am not being disingenuous.
distal@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 20h
Germany has no right to exist.
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 20h
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 20h
How dare you antichristian!!