I’m not old enough to remember that in 1953 the CIA overthrew the wildly popular prime minister Mosaddegh because he wanted oil proceeds to benefit the people of Iran, not the oligarchs. He was replaced by the Shah, who bloodily suppressed the people and gave the oilmoney back to the oligarchs. And to Britain and the US.
Remember, the US embassy in Tehran was absolutely massive and it had a heck of a lot more than 52 personnel. The Americans got advance warning by Iranian officials that the student protestors were coming, so they could flee to the Canadian embassy and were able to leave the country.
There's indication that the people who stayed were CIA operatives who had orders to shred evidence of their many misdeeds. Unfortunately for them, Iranian school children spent some time putting the shreds back together again, exposing the various crimes of the USA. America denied what they had done for decades until Obama officially apologized.
There’s indication that the people who stayed were CIA operatives who had orders to shred evidence of their many misdeeds
Idk about "indication". We've got extensive reports confirming it was exactly that. Hell, we've got dramatic movie retellings based on those historical accounts that reiterate it. This is the first act of Argo.
Iranian school children spent some time putting the shreds back together again, exposing the various crimes of the USA.
Using child labor to defame those sweet, innocent Iranian hostages?
Beating contra on my much older cousins Nintendo litterally helped form a component of my identity. My other cousin and I made it a personal mission, but we had to accomplish on weekend barbeques nights. And we did eventually do it.
"All conservative ideologies justify existing inequities as the natural order of things, inevitable outcomes of human nature. If the very rich are naturally so much more capable than the rest of us, why must they be provided with so many artificial privileges under the law, so many bailouts, subsidies and other special considerations - at our expense? Their "nat urally superior talents" include unprincipled and illegal subterfuge such as price-fixing, mass m%%der, stock manipulation, insider trading, fraud, tax evasion, the legal enforcement of unfair competition, ecological spoliation, harmful products and unsafe work conditions. One might expect naturally superior people not to act in such rapacious and venal ways. Differences in talent and capacity as might exist between individuals do not excuse the crimes and injustices that are endemic to the corporate business system."
Why censor murder, also do you have a source for the quote because I'm trying to find it and I don't even see one that includes mass murder. Is that added later or is the internet so censorship happy now as to completely remove the mass murder entry in the sources I can find?
And Nixon blew up the Vietnam peace talks to make the war last until after the elections so he could win, I'm starting to see a pattern in these republicans...
This is true, the USSR might have done 80% of the fighting, but the US still mobilized its entire economy for the war and had 12% of the total population in the actual military.
It's even more ahistorical to say they mostly say out than that the US single-handedly fought WW2.
Your analysis of geopolitics is about who are good guys and bad guys, but I'm sure you're correct and anyone who thinks that's weird is just being controlled by evil foreigners.
Nah just generally think of the systems countries have in place. When a country has an authoritarian system in place the country is capable of doing terrible things that are against the will of the people of the country. Iran has an authoritarian system in place, so they do all kinds of bullshit to maintain power and that includes executing people by the tens of thousands for protesting.
Iran is known to operate troll farms and are engaged in foreign influence operations in the west. You see how MAGAs fall for Russian influence campaigns, you're not much different. General rule, if the internet is telling you an authoritarian government that operates troll farms are the good guys, maybe take it with a healthy grain of salt.
Also look at how women are treated in a country. That's a fairly good barometer for how horrible a country's government is.
It was a problem that would have been solved much sooner if people who crave power and authority didn't meddle and prolong the problem for their own benefit.
This is just making an argument based on distraction. Person A did something bad but hey look over here Person B also did something bad so stop thinking of the bad thing Person A did!
Why is it so hard just to admit Iran's government sucks? They execute people on a massive scale, support terrorism across the Middle East, and are currently trying to hold the world's economy hostage by breaking international law and targeting civilian shipping in an international waterway.
There's abuser's logic going on here where something bad happens to you and you think it makes it fine to hurt others. The US is responsible for their bad actions and Iran is responsible for their bad actions. Bad actions by the US doesn't justify Iran's bad actions towards others.
Sure, Reagan, Bush, Trump have done or are currently doing shitty things and stupid things. But that doesn't make Iran's government the good guys.
I am in no way saying either that Iran is by any measure better than the USA or that actions of the USA justify Irans actions.. I am also neither a USA nor an Iranian citizen or have any connection to either state besides my country having commercial relations with both.
You need to wrap your head around the fact that the original post about remembering stuff about Iran is a distraction piece to pull focus away from the atrocities that the USA is committing.
Or to put it in your words: why is it so hard for you to just admit that the USA are killing people on a massive scale in places nowhere near their territory, topple democratically legitimized governments for their own gains, and let governmentally supported thugs roam their streets terrorizing and killing their own population? Not to mention holding the global economy hostage regularly. Why do you need to point to other countries? Do other countries being bad make these actions okay?
You need to wrap your head around the fact that the original post about remembering stuff about Iran is a distraction piece to pull focus away from the atrocities that the USA is committing.
The whole premise on the meme is to distract from the bad things Iran has done because "Reagan is bad."
Or to put it in your words: why is it so hard for you to just admit that the USA are killing people on a massive scale in places nowhere near their territory, topple democratically legitimized governments for their own gains, and let governmentally supported thugs roam their streets terrorizing and killing their own population?
Because you didn't admitted Iranian regime has murdered tens of thousands of Iranians, promoted terrorism, engaged in a a civil war that resulted in half a million people dead.
Yeah the US sucks. I'm a Canadian and I'm actively boycotting the US. But you're thinking that when someone points out the horrible things that Iran has done and you just need to say "but Reagan did some shenanigans!" and you "got 'em". It's really silly and shows lack of critical thinking. It's embarrassing that people think that this line of thinking is somehow a slam dunk argument for... what exactly? Why would you feel to make any kind of rebuttal against someone saying Iran's regime is horrible? Especially one that's so obviously fallacious?
So the people who took the hostages were the Islamic fundamentalists who only came to power because the US fucked over the communist movement. In the late 70’s, as the Shah’s regime was collapsing, the CIA chose to support the Islamists over the commies in Iran, and this was the predictable result.
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thefluffiest@feddit.nl · 137 pts · 1d
I’m not old enough to remember that in 1953 the CIA overthrew the wildly popular prime minister Mosaddegh because he wanted oil proceeds to benefit the people of Iran, not the oligarchs. He was replaced by the Shah, who bloodily suppressed the people and gave the oilmoney back to the oligarchs. And to Britain and the US.
I am however old enough to read history books.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
The American Boko Haram Party disproves
mirshafie@europe.pub · 69 pts · 1d
Remember, the US embassy in Tehran was absolutely massive and it had a heck of a lot more than 52 personnel. The Americans got advance warning by Iranian officials that the student protestors were coming, so they could flee to the Canadian embassy and were able to leave the country.
There's indication that the people who stayed were CIA operatives who had orders to shred evidence of their many misdeeds. Unfortunately for them, Iranian school children spent some time putting the shreds back together again, exposing the various crimes of the USA. America denied what they had done for decades until Obama officially apologized.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
Idk about "indication". We've got extensive reports confirming it was exactly that. Hell, we've got dramatic movie retellings based on those historical accounts that reiterate it. This is the first act of Argo.
Using child labor to defame those sweet, innocent Iranian hostages?
One more crime Iran has to account for.
HeronHouseHamilton@lemmy.zip · 45 pts · 1d
Then he let Oliver North take the fall
Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1d
Hey, he got a banger of a song written about him like 20 years later.
https://youtu.be/lFV1uT-ihDo?is=U6k4TCv_l1HtfDmy
MintyFresh@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
Educational song
Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1d
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 2d
I was so iconic they even made a video game about it called Contra
manefraim@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1d
This is the kind of profound misinformation I can get behind. Totally off the wall.
mirshafie@europe.pub · 6 pts · 1d
You guys just unlocked my core memories of playing Contra on the Famicom in Iran in the 90s.
We used to call the Red Pants Guy "Arnold" for some reason. And I guess Blue Plants Guy was just "Contra"??
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Beating contra on my much older cousins Nintendo litterally helped form a component of my identity. My other cousin and I made it a personal mission, but we had to accomplish on weekend barbeques nights. And we did eventually do it.
Red pants guys name was definitely Arnold .
TheEEEdiot@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1d
This is why he was arnold:
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
It will provide perspective on the inherent hypocrisy and tragedy of Vietnam.
Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 1d
The USA also rigged the Italian vote to decide if our country would become a republic or a monarchy;
The problematic country was always the USA
UnequalExchange@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1d
"All conservative ideologies justify existing inequities as the natural order of things, inevitable outcomes of human nature. If the very rich are naturally so much more capable than the rest of us, why must they be provided with so many artificial privileges under the law, so many bailouts, subsidies and other special considerations - at our expense? Their "nat urally superior talents" include unprincipled and illegal subterfuge such as price-fixing, mass m%%der, stock manipulation, insider trading, fraud, tax evasion, the legal enforcement of unfair competition, ecological spoliation, harmful products and unsafe work conditions. One might expect naturally superior people not to act in such rapacious and venal ways. Differences in talent and capacity as might exist between individuals do not excuse the crimes and injustices that are endemic to the corporate business system."
-Parenti
ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 1d
Why censor murder, also do you have a source for the quote because I'm trying to find it and I don't even see one that includes mass murder. Is that added later or is the internet so censorship happy now as to completely remove the mass murder entry in the sources I can find?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 1d
And Nixon blew up the Vietnam peace talks to make the war last until after the elections so he could win, I'm starting to see a pattern in these republicans...
danc4498@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 2d
He's a republican hero.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 1d
Reagan should have gotten the chair for that one, but here we are with a fascist dictatorship in the USA and somehow nobody knows how that happened
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
“I’m old enough to remember Iran seizing the US embassy” but not old enough to remember any of the shit that led up to that, huh?
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
That Reagan song from killer Mike.
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
and then he got caught and feigned ignorance like a motherfucker.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6h
I wonder if Trump is going to pull something similar with Iran this time.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · -31 pts · 1d
Does that mean Iran taking hostages wasn't a problem?
Does Reagan making a deal with Iran mean that both Iran and Reagan are good guys? Or does it mean they're both bad guys?
Not sure how "Reagan = bad" changes anything about the act of taking diplomats hostage.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 25 pts · 1d
Do you get your understanding of the world from Marvel movies?
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
'Murica has always treated action movies like documentaries
Remember how they didn't mostly sit out of WWII, how they didn't quite like the Nazis, and how they didn't cause massive casualties to their allies?
Oh, and they totally didn't give safe harbour to nazis when it suited them...
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 1d
This is true, the USSR might have done 80% of the fighting, but the US still mobilized its entire economy for the war and had 12% of the total population in the actual military.
It's even more ahistorical to say they mostly say out than that the US single-handedly fought WW2.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2h
No, did you?
I got my understanding from reading actual news, not from bullshit foreign influence campaigns on social media sites.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 1h
Your analysis of geopolitics is about who are good guys and bad guys, but I'm sure you're correct and anyone who thinks that's weird is just being controlled by evil foreigners.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1h
Nah just generally think of the systems countries have in place. When a country has an authoritarian system in place the country is capable of doing terrible things that are against the will of the people of the country. Iran has an authoritarian system in place, so they do all kinds of bullshit to maintain power and that includes executing people by the tens of thousands for protesting.
Iran is known to operate troll farms and are engaged in foreign influence operations in the west. You see how MAGAs fall for Russian influence campaigns, you're not much different. General rule, if the internet is telling you an authoritarian government that operates troll farms are the good guys, maybe take it with a healthy grain of salt.
Also look at how women are treated in a country. That's a fairly good barometer for how horrible a country's government is.
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 1d
Imagine simping for Ronald Reagan. Just wow.
DokPsy@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
It was a problem that would have been solved much sooner if people who crave power and authority didn't meddle and prolong the problem for their own benefit.
killingspark@feddit.org · 8 pts · 1d
It means that calling the Iran a "problem state" is pretty dishonest because most states, especially the USA are also problem states.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 1d
This is just making an argument based on distraction. Person A did something bad but hey look over here Person B also did something bad so stop thinking of the bad thing Person A did!
Why is it so hard just to admit Iran's government sucks? They execute people on a massive scale, support terrorism across the Middle East, and are currently trying to hold the world's economy hostage by breaking international law and targeting civilian shipping in an international waterway.
There's abuser's logic going on here where something bad happens to you and you think it makes it fine to hurt others. The US is responsible for their bad actions and Iran is responsible for their bad actions. Bad actions by the US doesn't justify Iran's bad actions towards others.
Sure, Reagan, Bush, Trump have done or are currently doing shitty things and stupid things. But that doesn't make Iran's government the good guys.
killingspark@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1d
I am in no way saying either that Iran is by any measure better than the USA or that actions of the USA justify Irans actions.. I am also neither a USA nor an Iranian citizen or have any connection to either state besides my country having commercial relations with both.
You need to wrap your head around the fact that the original post about remembering stuff about Iran is a distraction piece to pull focus away from the atrocities that the USA is committing.
Or to put it in your words: why is it so hard for you to just admit that the USA are killing people on a massive scale in places nowhere near their territory, topple democratically legitimized governments for their own gains, and let governmentally supported thugs roam their streets terrorizing and killing their own population? Not to mention holding the global economy hostage regularly. Why do you need to point to other countries? Do other countries being bad make these actions okay?
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2h
The whole premise on the meme is to distract from the bad things Iran has done because "Reagan is bad."
Because you didn't admitted Iranian regime has murdered tens of thousands of Iranians, promoted terrorism, engaged in a a civil war that resulted in half a million people dead.
Yeah the US sucks. I'm a Canadian and I'm actively boycotting the US. But you're thinking that when someone points out the horrible things that Iran has done and you just need to say "but Reagan did some shenanigans!" and you "got 'em". It's really silly and shows lack of critical thinking. It's embarrassing that people think that this line of thinking is somehow a slam dunk argument for... what exactly? Why would you feel to make any kind of rebuttal against someone saying Iran's regime is horrible? Especially one that's so obviously fallacious?
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
So the people who took the hostages were the Islamic fundamentalists who only came to power because the US fucked over the communist movement. In the late 70’s, as the Shah’s regime was collapsing, the CIA chose to support the Islamists over the commies in Iran, and this was the predictable result.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 6h
Do you also agree the US bombing Iran is a predicable result of Iran having a nuclear weapons program and supporting terrorism?
Or do you think some events should be considered in purely dialectical Marxist thinking while others should not be?