Plenty of morons on this website who still think like this. Willing to watch their country turn into a fascist dictatorship to own the libs (only more communist than most Americans are doing it)
I just picked up on their ferocious rhetoric, and insanity in the discussion in election time. And found them quite level headed afterward. Even arguing the opposite way from what they did before for instance concerning Trump.
That behavior strikes me as curious, it could be gained insight or something malignant, I'm undecided.
The reason the discourse was more focused on Harris is because virtually everyone on the fediverse is already on the same page about hating Trump, while there's disagreement about Harris. Nobody on here argued for voting Trump, unless a lost conservative wandered in in which case they were downvoted to hell and criticized by everyone.
If you were actually any of those things you would have voted for the candidate that lead to less genocide, less empire and less war.
I hated Kamala too for all the reasons you listed, but I held my fucking nose and voted for her anyway because I knew any conservative was going to be worse in all those categories and Kamala had the only chance of beating him.
Not voting was the pro-genocide vote. There would be less people dead and less people in fucking concentration camps if Kamala had won.
If you were actually any of those things you would have voted for the candidate that lead to less genocide, less empire and less war.
I did vote for that candidate.
Not voting was the pro-genocide vote.
No, it was the "genocide is fine, I don't care" choice. Voting for Kamala was the pro-genocide choice. She was very clear about that.
There would be less people dead and less people in fucking concentration camps if Kamala had won.
Citation needed. She fully supported Biden when he was bombing kids, and sending immigrants to torture camps. She also said Trump was too soft on Iran.
I really do wonder if any of those abstainers even understand how fucking stupid they are, two years into this shit storm.
Not that it matters, it all feels inevitable, the demos would just sell out their country too, just quieter, as loud ass idiots pull tantrums until their party is in and do this wrecking ball shit anyway. At least this way has kicked people in the ass about the state of the world, if we make it out the other end without too much injury, it might just be a better world...
The ml folk are absolutists when it comes to compromise, I admire the conviction, but the rubber doesn't quite hit the road of reality when you look at the big picture, it's fine, maybe I'm the wrong one
Funny, bcs it's the Dems who are the absolutists on compromise. Never compromise with their own left flank, but compromise with fascists even when they could get everything they want without compromise.
Trust me, I get what you mean, I'm right there with you, but we're clearly not living in the world in which everything works just perfectly. I don't want genocide any more than anyone else here, I don't want compromise on it either, but if we wait around for the perfect world we aren't working towards a better one right now.
For us to be "absolutists" about compromise, we would first have to be offered a compromise. A compromise implies actually getting something that you want. We were given nothing, not listened to, no dialogue whatsoever, treated with contempt, not even purely symbolic gestures like allowing a Palestinian speaker at the convention. Meanwhile the Biden administration bypassed congress in order to flood Israel with weapons, while Harris did nothing to indicate she would act differently. To go along with that would not be a compromise, but total capitulation on everything we stand for, in exchange for nothing. That we are absolutely opposed to.
There may be some people who are absolutists regarding compromise, but all I can say is that those people haven't actually read theory. Even Lenin himself was highly critical of the position of "no compromises," but while making the distinction between compromise and capitulation.
But there isn't really a debate to be had about whether a compromise would have been acceptable in that situation because no compromise was ever offered to us for us to reject. Get them to give us an olive branch first, and if we reject it then you can accuse us of being absolutists.
Enjoy voting for Dem candidate Ted Cruz as he takes on Republican candidate mecha hitler in 2030. And then still punching left as you flail to try and understand your descent into fascism.
Funny that I don’t see any of you ml users making a huge deal about the number of deaths resulting from the USAid funding, which by many estimates, is 5-10x those in Gaza.no chance that Harris would have cut that funding.
Almost as if your arguments aren’t genuine.
Besides, I doubt you can even vote in the US elections.
Funny that I don’t see any of you ml users making a huge deal about the number of deaths resulting from the USAid funding...
Funny that I don't see any of you world users making a huge deal about the number of deaths resulting from Democrats bombing kids, or supporting dictators, sending people to torture prisons.
Yeah, isn't it terrible that people accurately point out when both sides keep pushing shit candidates and shit policies? If only there was some way to stop that.
Tell me, how have any of those things you mentioned improved with Trump?
They haven't at all. I'm not sure why Libs keep asking me this, since I've never once claimed that they would be better under Trump. I love that Libs keep accusing me of things that I've never said, or claimed, because they can't actually defend the awful decisions that their party makes.
Funny that new users jump on with these naive bullshit takes, like somehow voting for Jesus Christ himself in November 2022 was an option.
Yeah, isn't it weird that people new people arrive and sign up to a system that lets them join? Crazy.
I also find it funny that, when we were pointing out that the Dems were going to lose to Trump by running such shit-tier candidates, and shit-tier policies, we were told that the only reason we thought that, was because we were Russian assets.
Of course, genocide being unpopular, or Biden being a terrible President and candidate, or the Dems sticking with unpopular policies, and screwing over their voting base aren't to blame. It's the people who thought bombing kids is bad, or genocide is bad, or that torture is bad who are really to blame.
Not sure what USAID has to do at all with this conversation, but I'll entertain it.
Leftists reject the notion that USAID is simply a wholesome charity. It was the US arm of soft power, and it was an imperialist institution. If you are truly interested in this "disingenuous" take, see the Jacobin article on it.
It tied aid to the adoption of neoliberal policies, privatization, and the opening of markets to US corporations. A striking example is the case of Haiti, where USAID pushed for trade liberalization and other neoliberal policies in the 1980s, leading to the collapse of domestic rice production in favor of cheap, subsidized imports in the 1990s. The result was devastating: Haiti became dependent on foreign aid for basic food security, its agricultural sector gutted to serve US agribusiness interests.
Cutting off your nose to spite your face is not a compliment.
You are the version of LeopardsAteMyFace that knew they were going to eat your face. But you were like, nah, I'm going to hug it anyway because your shoes are made with real leather.
ITT a bunch of ml users complaining about how the two party system and first past the post voting sucks. Yeah, it does, but in the reality we live in, once the general election came up and your choices were Trump, Harris, 3rd party, or don’t vote, all choices save one helped Trump.
Cry and whine all you want, but that was the reality of the world in November 2022.
Then again, I doubt many of the ml users can even vote in the US elections due to not being actual US citizens, or maybe even human.
Anyone bringing up Gaza better be bringing up the deaths as a result of Trump’s cuts to USAid since that’s a significantly bigger number of deaths from a policy that the Democrats would absolutely have not implemented. Odd that I never hear these ml users mentioning those stats…
Anyone bringing up Gaza better be bringing up the deaths as a result of Trump’s cuts to USAid since that’s a significantly bigger number of deaths from a policy that the Democrats would absolutely have not implemented. Odd that I never hear these ml users mentioning those stats…
Probably because they were trying to educate you on the deaths that Biden and Obama caused by bombing the shit out of kids. Or the number of people that they sent to torture prisons. Or the massive amounts of people they deported with no trial. Or the amount of people that they put in prisons. Odd that I never hear .world users mentioning those stats...
Converted from litres -> US gallon and from JPY -> USD, we're at about $4.15/gallon for regular in my area of Japan (where having a car is required for a lot of things).
Japan has national reserves left for a little while yet, maybe up to 6 months at the current rate. I don't think people realise just how car centric Japan is though.
If you still think it was the funny laugh and not the years of being a crooked cop and enthusiastic support for a genocide, you have chosen not to understand the people you want to put down. It's not that you're confused, you're just an asshole.
You have 179 days to find a candidate to support that isn't horrible. Maybe at least try this time? Or don't whinge when the people whose vote you deliberately decided you don't need in order to win don't vote for your candidate and they don't win.
I remember asking my mother in the days before the election if she really thought the Democratic party leadership was willing to sacrifice America just insulate Israel from consequences and she just couldn't wrap her mind around the idea that Israel and Palestine was a big deal because it just didn't show up in her news that much...
"I don't think everybody's as plugged into the news as You are 'Faithful' I don't think that's as big a deal as you seem to think it is.".
That's when I knew we were doomed.
She should have come out publicly against Israel's behavior and said she was willing to rein them in. That was the minimum she should have done. Anybody telling her otherwise was willing to sacrifice America for Israel.
Israel was the litmus test. Can you call water wet? Is the sky blue? Is genocide wrong? Can we stop funding it?
Her failure to do this was a failure not a difference of opinion. Whoever the next candidate is is going to need to acknowledge the reality of the world and that might mean removing the Zionist lobby from the conversation entirely by force if necessary.
We didn't avoid "that whole Israel thing", because Harris and Trump were in agreement on that. Maybe if Harris had been against it, she wouldn't have lost. But she chose to support a genocide, over keeping Trump out of office. It sounds to me like she should have had better priorities.
So, Israel was unavoidable, on that we can agree. Was the new doctrine for ICE unavoidable? Was the complete erosion of any sustem that upheld civilian rights unavoidable? Was the complete dismantling of USAide avoidable? Were the tariff wars unavoidable? Was all the unsafe food unavoidable?
I guess there was just nothing that could have been helped, they’re just the exact same thing, right? Otherwise your ideals, well, they’d be compromised, and surely nothing is more important than the way you interpret things as they are required to be. Reality is for losers, afterall. Let it be damned.
Uh, what? No. I don't agree with that at all. It was so easily avoidable, that other candidates were already calling it out as a problem.
Was the new doctrine for ICE unavoidable?
Of course it was avoidable. But Biden decided to go ahead and increase funding to ICE as well. I didn't see Harris criticize that, in fact, I seem to remember her being supportive of ICE.
Was the complete erosion of any sustem that upheld civilian rights unavoidable?
No, it wasn't unavoidable. Biden and Obama did that just for funzies. I don't remember her speaking out about that.
Was the complete dismantling of USAide avoidable? Were the tariff wars unavoidable? Was all the unsafe food unavoidable?
Nope, none of this was unavoidable. Maybe Harris should have run a serious campagin to try to keep these things from happening.
I guess there was just nothing that could have been helped, they’re just the exact same thing, right?
Wut? Who said they were the exact same thing? I never did. Again, Liberals keep telling me what I think, instead of talking about the points that I've actually made.
Otherwise your ideals, well, they’d be compromised...
Yeah, my rigid and unrealistic ideals like "bombing kids is bad", and "rapists are bad", and "genocide is bad", and "torture is bad". How awful of me to have those as a standard.
and surely nothing is more important than the way you interpret things as they are required to be. Reality is for losers, afterall. Let it be damned.
I'm acurately pointing out the things that the Democrats did, and why they lost to Trump. Of course, you made up arguments for me, put words into my mouth, and yelled at me for things that I didn't say, but I'm the one that is acting like "Reality is for losers...."
Blame it all on Biden, great call, very pragmatic. You know who else blames the entirety of this situation on Biden in a staggeringly similar manner as you just did?
Also, it’s text, there was no yelling or anger. Your hyperbolia is showing.
Libs can't help constantly telling on themselves by trivializing genocide to a mere personal preference.
"Take this gun Timmy, now do you want to murder these 10 people or those 11 people?"
"But I don't want to murder anyone."
"Fine then. If you're going to be a child about this, I'll murder the 11 people myself."
Suddenly makes it a lot more clear that Timmy is the reasonable and sane one when you don't trivialize mass murder into dinner preferences. But then, that would require seeing Palestinians as human beings.
Seems to be unpopular but I respect those voting 3rd party.
I live in the UK, voted for the green party even though they are not going to win where I live. I know they won't, but perhaps in time more people will as they start to see the number become less insignificant. Maybe eventually it will grow to a point they have a chance.
Then I look around where I live and realise no, this is one of the areas dumb enough to vote for reform.
You're behaving as if Kamala would have fundamentally changed federal laws protecting free speech the way the Trump admin has. She wouldn't have, nor would she have enacted Project 2025 in the way the Trump admin has.
Bottom line: not voting for Kamala was shooting yourself in the foot if you actually give a shit about protesting against Israel.
Your the one that brought up Harris and pretended that she wasn't a horrible monster. I was just pointing out data that contradicts that. You can call it "whataboutism" if you like, but I find it telling that Democrats still refuse to acknowledge that their failings are why people like Trump keep getting elected.
Quick question - would Kamala have pushed Project 2025? Yes or no.
In that case, would you rather have a candidate that does nothing but pay lip service to your cause, or a candidate that actively donates your resources to destroy it?
Tough choice, I'm sure.
I do not feel bad about facetiously trivialising an argument about death and bloodshed into one about dinner in order to highlight the ridiculousness of the logic used.
In that case, would you rather have a candidate that does nothing but pay lip service to your cause, or a candidate that actively donates your resources to destroy it?
Huh? Are we pretending that we live in a fantasy world where the Biden administration didn't bypass congress to send Israel more weapons? Because here in reality, both candidates objectively fell into the second category.
I do not feel bad about facetiously trivialising an argument about death and bloodshed into one about dinner in order to highlight the ridiculousness of the logic used.
The logic only looks ridiculous if you trivialize the stakes. You can make any logic look "ridiculous" if you compare it to something completely different.
No, the logic looks ridiculous when you try to bOtH sIdEs the two parties. Newsflash, there is more going on in the world besides the Israel Palestine conflict. Do you think Harris would have ended USAid? What about the Iran war?
The funding cuts to USAid alone are estimated to have lead to ~5-10x more deaths than anything in Gaza. Where is your outrage about that? Stop your bullshit.
I don't agree with this oversimplified, utilitarian framework you're using. "Lesser Evilism" is a specific philosophical and political framework, and one that is very naive and unexamined.
If a party is willing to screw over Palestinians today, then who will they screw over tomorrow? Trans people? Immigrants? Will you apply the same "lesser evilist" logic as minority groups get dropped off, one-by-one? This is exactly how the ruling class divides and conquers, and so long as that's the state of things, no one's rights could ever be secure.
Standing up for the lives of Palestinians is not only about Palestinians, it is about solidarity. Solidarity is a strategic decision to establish that no one will be abandoned and sold out, that we will not abandon the little guy just for the sake of securing an election. It is only through a foundation of solidarity that we will be able to build a successful movement that's worth fighting for. To abandon Palestine would also mean abandoning those who are trying to build such a movement, causing it to fracture and strengthening the ruling class.
You can blame me for the ruling class's actions all you want. If the only means I have to stop something they're doing is to fracture the working class and side with a genocidiare, then I simply don't consider that an option that's available to me, and from my perspective, I don't have any means to stop it. Except by working towards a future where ordinary people can unite with solidarity and take power back.
Suppose I had a suitcase nuke, and I could stop Trump from cutting USAID by setting it off in the middle of DC. Suppose that, when it's all said and done, I'd have saved more lives than I'd taken. If I say that setting off a nuclear weapon in a city full of innocent people is simply not on the table for me, that I refuse to even consider it, does that make me a bad person, a reprehensible monster? Am I responsible for all the people who died from Trump's cuts, because I didn't kill a city full of innocents to stop it? Surely not. But then, if I refuse to support the destruction of Gaza in an effort to stop the cuts, how is that any different?
Lesser Evilism is a moral framework and a political strategy, but it is not sound or defensible when it's identified as such and examined. But it generally isn't, and is instead presented as "common sense" or "just rational." Really, it's just a vacuous rhetorical device used to justify tribalism.
Like asking a group with a vegan if they want to go to a steakhouse or a seafood restaurant and then blaming the vegan for not picking the one you wanted.
Who said Trump wasn't crooked? I don't see anyone here saying that.
Also, he isn't "causing infinity MORE HARM" now, he's causing slightly more harm. It's just that Democrats don't pay attention to the harm that their candidates cause.
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fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com · 28 pts · 1d
Also she wasn't pro palestine enough. I wonder how they're doing.
neidu4@piefed.social · 20 pts · 1d
Teaching dems a lesson by not voting sure paid off
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 6h
Who said they were teaching Dems a lesson?
That would imply they thought the Dems didn't know why they lost, which seems pretty silly since it was quite obvious.
Awooooooga@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23h
Plenty of morons on this website who still think like this. Willing to watch their country turn into a fascist dictatorship to own the libs (only more communist than most Americans are doing it)
neidu4@piefed.social · 1 pts · 23h
But surely it'll work out in the end, because their specific ideology will be what will rise from the ashes, right?
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1d
She wasn't? I wonder why?
https://nitter.kareem.one/TrackAIPAC/status/1883743688628773090
I wonder how people defending genocide are doing.
Oh we already know, considering history, that you'd be perfectly fine with it. So there's that.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
What is it that you think you have accomplished by doing literally nothing?
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 18h
I have some people tagged that were ferocious anti kamala, that are now criticizing Trump.
And seeming pretty reasonable whilst doing so.
I don't understand those people
Objection@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 17h
Was there anyone on here who was ferociously anti Kamala who wasn't also anti Trump to begin with?
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 17h
Not in the cases i'm on about, but sure.
I just picked up on their ferocious rhetoric, and insanity in the discussion in election time. And found them quite level headed afterward. Even arguing the opposite way from what they did before for instance concerning Trump.
That behavior strikes me as curious, it could be gained insight or something malignant, I'm undecided.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 17h
The reason the discourse was more focused on Harris is because virtually everyone on the fediverse is already on the same page about hating Trump, while there's disagreement about Harris. Nobody on here argued for voting Trump, unless a lost conservative wandered in in which case they were downvoted to hell and criticized by everyone.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 4h
They're both pretty awful, it's not that difficult to understand. Criticism of one is not praise for the other.
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 6h
You don't understand how someone could be anti-genocide, or anti-empire, or anti-war no matter which candidate is pushing it?
I don't see how it's that hard, if you have principles that transcend parties.
FreeAZ@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 5h
If you were actually any of those things you would have voted for the candidate that lead to less genocide, less empire and less war.
I hated Kamala too for all the reasons you listed, but I held my fucking nose and voted for her anyway because I knew any conservative was going to be worse in all those categories and Kamala had the only chance of beating him.
Not voting was the pro-genocide vote. There would be less people dead and less people in fucking concentration camps if Kamala had won.
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 4h
I did vote for that candidate.
No, it was the "genocide is fine, I don't care" choice. Voting for Kamala was the pro-genocide choice. She was very clear about that.
Citation needed. She fully supported Biden when he was bombing kids, and sending immigrants to torture camps. She also said Trump was too soft on Iran.
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1d
I really do wonder if any of those abstainers even understand how fucking stupid they are, two years into this shit storm.
Not that it matters, it all feels inevitable, the demos would just sell out their country too, just quieter, as loud ass idiots pull tantrums until their party is in and do this wrecking ball shit anyway. At least this way has kicked people in the ass about the state of the world, if we make it out the other end without too much injury, it might just be a better world...
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 1d
The abstainers still feel every bit as smug as the 3rd party vote wasters.
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1d
No doubt, and I'm sure all of this is very vindicating for them.
Sigh
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 1d
Well it looked like one of 'em downvoted you before I saw your response. So there you have it.
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1d
The ml folk are absolutists when it comes to compromise, I admire the conviction, but the rubber doesn't quite hit the road of reality when you look at the big picture, it's fine, maybe I'm the wrong one
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 1d
Funny, bcs it's the Dems who are the absolutists on compromise. Never compromise with their own left flank, but compromise with fascists even when they could get everything they want without compromise.
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1d
Trust me, I get what you mean, I'm right there with you, but we're clearly not living in the world in which everything works just perfectly. I don't want genocide any more than anyone else here, I don't want compromise on it either, but if we wait around for the perfect world we aren't working towards a better one right now.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 17h
For us to be "absolutists" about compromise, we would first have to be offered a compromise. A compromise implies actually getting something that you want. We were given nothing, not listened to, no dialogue whatsoever, treated with contempt, not even purely symbolic gestures like allowing a Palestinian speaker at the convention. Meanwhile the Biden administration bypassed congress in order to flood Israel with weapons, while Harris did nothing to indicate she would act differently. To go along with that would not be a compromise, but total capitulation on everything we stand for, in exchange for nothing. That we are absolutely opposed to.
There may be some people who are absolutists regarding compromise, but all I can say is that those people haven't actually read theory. Even Lenin himself was highly critical of the position of "no compromises," but while making the distinction between compromise and capitulation.
But there isn't really a debate to be had about whether a compromise would have been acceptable in that situation because no compromise was ever offered to us for us to reject. Get them to give us an olive branch first, and if we reject it then you can accuse us of being absolutists.
Awooooooga@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23h
It's funny because they are like, a living museum exhibit of why communism turns out the way it so often does.
Ferrous@lemmy.ml · -4 pts · 1d
Yep, and we'll do it again unless you answer to our demands of not pushing a genocider. Best of luck.
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1d
Yes, I don't want them either, but the alternative appears to be genocide, plus a bunch of other bullshit
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 6h
Thats all the Democrats had to offer as well.
Ferrous@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 1d
Enjoy voting for Dem candidate Ted Cruz as he takes on Republican candidate mecha hitler in 2030. And then still punching left as you flail to try and understand your descent into fascism.
fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 1d
Don't tell us, tell the Palestinians
jumjummy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 9h
Funny that I don’t see any of you ml users making a huge deal about the number of deaths resulting from the USAid funding, which by many estimates, is 5-10x those in Gaza.no chance that Harris would have cut that funding.
Almost as if your arguments aren’t genuine.
Besides, I doubt you can even vote in the US elections.
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 6h
Funny that I don't see any of you world users making a huge deal about the number of deaths resulting from Democrats bombing kids, or supporting dictators, sending people to torture prisons.
Almost as if your arguments aren’t genuine.
jumjummy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3h
Oh look, a new user account trying to bOtH sIdEs. Tell me, how have any of those things you mentioned improved with Trump?
Funny that new users jump on with these naive bullshit takes, like somehow voting for Jesus Christ himself in November 2022 was an option.
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 3h
Yeah, isn't it terrible that people accurately point out when both sides keep pushing shit candidates and shit policies? If only there was some way to stop that.
They haven't at all. I'm not sure why Libs keep asking me this, since I've never once claimed that they would be better under Trump. I love that Libs keep accusing me of things that I've never said, or claimed, because they can't actually defend the awful decisions that their party makes.
Yeah, isn't it weird that people new people arrive and sign up to a system that lets them join? Crazy.
I also find it funny that, when we were pointing out that the Dems were going to lose to Trump by running such shit-tier candidates, and shit-tier policies, we were told that the only reason we thought that, was because we were Russian assets.
Of course, genocide being unpopular, or Biden being a terrible President and candidate, or the Dems sticking with unpopular policies, and screwing over their voting base aren't to blame. It's the people who thought bombing kids is bad, or genocide is bad, or that torture is bad who are really to blame.
Ferrous@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 8h
Not sure what USAID has to do at all with this conversation, but I'll entertain it.
Leftists reject the notion that USAID is simply a wholesome charity. It was the US arm of soft power, and it was an imperialist institution. If you are truly interested in this "disingenuous" take, see the Jacobin article on it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20260410222517/https://jacobin.com/2025/02/usaid-digital-imperialism-trump-tech
sartalon@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 6h
Nice cherry picking,
You sailed right past that same article's agreement that the sudden cease in funding will harm millions.
Both points can be true, but your disingenuous quotation highlights your own insincerity in an honest dialogue.
sartalon@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 6h
Cutting off your nose to spite your face is not a compliment.
You are the version of LeopardsAteMyFace that knew they were going to eat your face. But you were like, nah, I'm going to hug it anyway because your shoes are made with real leather.
Cheebus@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 1d
To think she almost started a war with Iran, that would be devastating
one_old_coder@piefed.social · 17 pts · 1d
Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 1d
Carl’s Jr. Fuck you, I’m eating!
LoreSoong@startrek.website · 2 pts · 1d
Why do you keep saying that?
Linktank@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 7h
Because they pay me every time I do, if you're so smart why don't you know that?
Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 17h
You need to watch the movie to understand
BurgerBaron@quokk.au · 4 pts · 16h
They certainly have, unlike you apparently because that's also a quote from the movie yet you down voted them. So, fair's fair.
Famko@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1d
Diesel hit prices so high in some areas that the gas stations have to change their signs to accomodate double digit prices.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/general/gas-station-signs-can-t-show-diesel-prices-anymore-and-critics-blame-trump/ar-AA2c6Ptu
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 23h
“Critics” blame trump…
Everyone should blame trump.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 5h
Nobody didn't vote for Kamala because of her laugh.
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 4h
Yeah, but for some weird reason, liberals don't want to talk about why people didn't want to vote for her.
queeradjacent@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 1d
Butter emails v2
jumjummy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 9h
ITT a bunch of ml users complaining about how the two party system and first past the post voting sucks. Yeah, it does, but in the reality we live in, once the general election came up and your choices were Trump, Harris, 3rd party, or don’t vote, all choices save one helped Trump.
Cry and whine all you want, but that was the reality of the world in November 2022.
Then again, I doubt many of the ml users can even vote in the US elections due to not being actual US citizens, or maybe even human.
Anyone bringing up Gaza better be bringing up the deaths as a result of Trump’s cuts to USAid since that’s a significantly bigger number of deaths from a policy that the Democrats would absolutely have not implemented. Odd that I never hear these ml users mentioning those stats…
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 7h
Probably because they were trying to educate you on the deaths that Biden and Obama caused by bombing the shit out of kids. Or the number of people that they sent to torture prisons. Or the massive amounts of people they deported with no trial. Or the amount of people that they put in prisons. Odd that I never hear .world users mentioning those stats...
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 40m
Why would they mention those stats? They're having too much fun virtue signaling while having bottomless mimosas at brunch.
Zephorah@discuss.online · 5 pts · 1d
Wow. That’s pretty good. The cheap gas is $4.99 here.
farmgineer@nord.pub · 3 pts · 4h
Converted from litres -> US gallon and from JPY -> USD, we're at about $4.15/gallon for regular in my area of Japan (where having a car is required for a lot of things).
fake@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 14m
Japan has national reserves left for a little while yet, maybe up to 6 months at the current rate. I don't think people realise just how car centric Japan is though.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
bOtH SiDeZ!!1!
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1d
If you still think it was the funny laugh and not the years of being a crooked cop and enthusiastic support for a genocide, you have chosen not to understand the people you want to put down. It's not that you're confused, you're just an asshole.
You have 179 days to find a candidate to support that isn't horrible. Maybe at least try this time? Or don't whinge when the people whose vote you deliberately decided you don't need in order to win don't vote for your candidate and they don't win.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
You’re going to break an arm jerking yourself off that hard.
Afaithfulnihilist@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 18h
I remember asking my mother in the days before the election if she really thought the Democratic party leadership was willing to sacrifice America just insulate Israel from consequences and she just couldn't wrap her mind around the idea that Israel and Palestine was a big deal because it just didn't show up in her news that much...
"I don't think everybody's as plugged into the news as You are 'Faithful' I don't think that's as big a deal as you seem to think it is.".
That's when I knew we were doomed.
She should have come out publicly against Israel's behavior and said she was willing to rein them in. That was the minimum she should have done. Anybody telling her otherwise was willing to sacrifice America for Israel.
Israel was the litmus test. Can you call water wet? Is the sky blue? Is genocide wrong? Can we stop funding it?
Her failure to do this was a failure not a difference of opinion. Whoever the next candidate is is going to need to acknowledge the reality of the world and that might mean removing the Zionist lobby from the conversation entirely by force if necessary.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 18h
For sure, actual Hitler was a way better option to let your chips fall on. Glad we avoided that whole Israel thing that Kamala was gonna do.
Afaithfulnihilist@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 4h
Acknowledging how failure occurs is not rooting for the success of the enemy.
Kamala was extremely hard to sell. Harder somehow even than Hillary was. I campaigned for Julia Carson. Kamala was no Julia Carson.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 3h
How’d things go for Julia?
What was that about acknowledging how failure occurred?
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 3h
We didn't avoid "that whole Israel thing", because Harris and Trump were in agreement on that. Maybe if Harris had been against it, she wouldn't have lost. But she chose to support a genocide, over keeping Trump out of office. It sounds to me like she should have had better priorities.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 3h
So, Israel was unavoidable, on that we can agree. Was the new doctrine for ICE unavoidable? Was the complete erosion of any sustem that upheld civilian rights unavoidable? Was the complete dismantling of USAide avoidable? Were the tariff wars unavoidable? Was all the unsafe food unavoidable?
I guess there was just nothing that could have been helped, they’re just the exact same thing, right? Otherwise your ideals, well, they’d be compromised, and surely nothing is more important than the way you interpret things as they are required to be. Reality is for losers, afterall. Let it be damned.
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 2h
Uh, what? No. I don't agree with that at all. It was so easily avoidable, that other candidates were already calling it out as a problem.
Of course it was avoidable. But Biden decided to go ahead and increase funding to ICE as well. I didn't see Harris criticize that, in fact, I seem to remember her being supportive of ICE.
No, it wasn't unavoidable. Biden and Obama did that just for funzies. I don't remember her speaking out about that.
Nope, none of this was unavoidable. Maybe Harris should have run a serious campagin to try to keep these things from happening.
Wut? Who said they were the exact same thing? I never did. Again, Liberals keep telling me what I think, instead of talking about the points that I've actually made.
Yeah, my rigid and unrealistic ideals like "bombing kids is bad", and "rapists are bad", and "genocide is bad", and "torture is bad". How awful of me to have those as a standard.
I'm acurately pointing out the things that the Democrats did, and why they lost to Trump. Of course, you made up arguments for me, put words into my mouth, and yelled at me for things that I didn't say, but I'm the one that is acting like "Reality is for losers...."
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2h
Blame it all on Biden, great call, very pragmatic. You know who else blames the entirety of this situation on Biden in a staggeringly similar manner as you just did?
Also, it’s text, there was no yelling or anger. Your hyperbolia is showing.
NateNate60@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
"Do you want to go to the pizza place or the burger restaurant, Timmy?"
"I don't want either! I want macaroni and cheese!"
"Macaroni and cheese is not an option, Timmy, now pick from what's available or I'm deciding for you."
"No! I'm not picking!"
"Okay, we're going to the pizza place then."
(1 hour later) "This pizza sucks! It's all the burger place's fault for not appealing to me hard enough by serving macaroni and cheese."
Objection@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 17h
Libs can't help constantly telling on themselves by trivializing genocide to a mere personal preference.
"Take this gun Timmy, now do you want to murder these 10 people or those 11 people?"
"But I don't want to murder anyone."
"Fine then. If you're going to be a child about this, I'll murder the 11 people myself."
Suddenly makes it a lot more clear that Timmy is the reasonable and sane one when you don't trivialize mass murder into dinner preferences. But then, that would require seeing Palestinians as human beings.
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 17h
ShitLibs having actual morals instead of just vibes challenge: impossible
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 1h
Seems to be unpopular but I respect those voting 3rd party.
I live in the UK, voted for the green party even though they are not going to win where I live. I know they won't, but perhaps in time more people will as they start to see the number become less insignificant. Maybe eventually it will grow to a point they have a chance.
Then I look around where I live and realise no, this is one of the areas dumb enough to vote for reform.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 7h
You're behaving as if Kamala would have fundamentally changed federal laws protecting free speech the way the Trump admin has. She wouldn't have, nor would she have enacted Project 2025 in the way the Trump admin has.
Bottom line: not voting for Kamala was shooting yourself in the foot if you actually give a shit about protesting against Israel.
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 6h
You mean the same Kamala that proudly stood behind Biden when he was arresting people for their speech?
Or the same Harris that gave up the easiest elections the Democrats have ever had to keep the genocide going?
Or the same Harris that that said Trump was being to easy on Iran?
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3h
Crazy, are whataboutisms all you have to offer?
Quick question - would Kamala have pushed Project 2025? Yes or no.
Edit: My next question will be 'Would she have attacked free speech the same way Trump has?" You might as well answer that too.
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 3h
Your the one that brought up Harris and pretended that she wasn't a horrible monster. I was just pointing out data that contradicts that. You can call it "whataboutism" if you like, but I find it telling that Democrats still refuse to acknowledge that their failings are why people like Trump keep getting elected.
No, of course not.
NateNate60@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 12h
Oh, you're talking about Palestine.
In that case, would you rather have a candidate that does nothing but pay lip service to your cause, or a candidate that actively donates your resources to destroy it?
Tough choice, I'm sure.
I do not feel bad about facetiously trivialising an argument about death and bloodshed into one about dinner in order to highlight the ridiculousness of the logic used.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 11h
Huh? Are we pretending that we live in a fantasy world where the Biden administration didn't bypass congress to send Israel more weapons? Because here in reality, both candidates objectively fell into the second category.
The logic only looks ridiculous if you trivialize the stakes. You can make any logic look "ridiculous" if you compare it to something completely different.
jumjummy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 9h
No, the logic looks ridiculous when you try to bOtH sIdEs the two parties. Newsflash, there is more going on in the world besides the Israel Palestine conflict. Do you think Harris would have ended USAid? What about the Iran war?
The funding cuts to USAid alone are estimated to have lead to ~5-10x more deaths than anything in Gaza. Where is your outrage about that? Stop your bullshit.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 7h
I don't agree with this oversimplified, utilitarian framework you're using. "Lesser Evilism" is a specific philosophical and political framework, and one that is very naive and unexamined.
If a party is willing to screw over Palestinians today, then who will they screw over tomorrow? Trans people? Immigrants? Will you apply the same "lesser evilist" logic as minority groups get dropped off, one-by-one? This is exactly how the ruling class divides and conquers, and so long as that's the state of things, no one's rights could ever be secure.
Standing up for the lives of Palestinians is not only about Palestinians, it is about solidarity. Solidarity is a strategic decision to establish that no one will be abandoned and sold out, that we will not abandon the little guy just for the sake of securing an election. It is only through a foundation of solidarity that we will be able to build a successful movement that's worth fighting for. To abandon Palestine would also mean abandoning those who are trying to build such a movement, causing it to fracture and strengthening the ruling class.
You can blame me for the ruling class's actions all you want. If the only means I have to stop something they're doing is to fracture the working class and side with a genocidiare, then I simply don't consider that an option that's available to me, and from my perspective, I don't have any means to stop it. Except by working towards a future where ordinary people can unite with solidarity and take power back.
Suppose I had a suitcase nuke, and I could stop Trump from cutting USAID by setting it off in the middle of DC. Suppose that, when it's all said and done, I'd have saved more lives than I'd taken. If I say that setting off a nuclear weapon in a city full of innocent people is simply not on the table for me, that I refuse to even consider it, does that make me a bad person, a reprehensible monster? Am I responsible for all the people who died from Trump's cuts, because I didn't kill a city full of innocents to stop it? Surely not. But then, if I refuse to support the destruction of Gaza in an effort to stop the cuts, how is that any different?
Lesser Evilism is a moral framework and a political strategy, but it is not sound or defensible when it's identified as such and examined. But it generally isn't, and is instead presented as "common sense" or "just rational." Really, it's just a vacuous rhetorical device used to justify tribalism.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 1h
Like asking a group with a vegan if they want to go to a steakhouse or a seafood restaurant and then blaming the vegan for not picking the one you wanted.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 18h
You're gonna break the world sucking off Wall St that hard.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 18h
Cool.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 8h
Did you cast a ballot in the 2024 election?
mangobanana@discuss.online · 0 pts · 6h
But Trump WASN'T a crooked crook, and isn't causing infinity MORE HARM now? Wtf ever
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 6h
Who said Trump wasn't crooked? I don't see anyone here saying that.
Also, he isn't "causing infinity MORE HARM" now, he's causing slightly more harm. It's just that Democrats don't pay attention to the harm that their candidates cause.
sartalon@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 6h
You are right. But whinging is only thing y'all EVER do.
Perfect is the enemy of good. You live in a fantasy world, just like libertarians.
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 6h
Things the Democrats did:
I feel like your definition of "Perfect" might be a little off.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 5h
To clarify, that list is what Democrats consider "good" rather than "perfect".
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 1h
Doesn't even meet the definition of good. At best, tolerable to those that may only pretend to care.
sartalon@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 5h
LOL.
You are either rage baiting,
Stupid.
Or both
dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 4h
I described what the Democrats did. If you find that to be rage baiting, I think that says more about your misplaced values than anything else.
BurgerBaron@quokk.au · 1 pts · 16h